Seventh Day Adventists

[greggy53]

Well; we could call Catholic religion a “stew” too of Christian and pagan traditions; but then you’d say we weren’t being fair. There are parts of Christianity (both Protestant and Catholic) that are made up - they are called traditions; but in some cases, (certainly not all) traditions are Biblical.

Well the SDA has called the Catholic Church a lot worse, and as far as I can tell has never worried about being fair. To be honest I think the whole SDA church is a made up Religion. A young girl gets hit on the head with a rock, falls into a coma, and when she recovers she starts having hallucinations. That is some background for a Religion! You’d like to think that everything you believe comes from the Bible, but it doesn’t. Most of it comes from people who tell you to believe what they think is in the bible. They do this by showing you a number of unrelated scriptures and tell you that when combined they mean this or that. The fact of the matter is anyone can pick or choose any number of independent scriptures and string them together in a way to say whatever they want to say. It doesn’t take any real understanding of scripture to do this. What they don’t want you know is the Catholic Church established the cannon (the Bible) way back in 387 AD at the council of Rome. They don’t want you to know this because then you might get suspicious about what they have been telling you , and start studying on your own. So they will blather on about pagan traditions etc but it’s really just a smokescreen to keep you from searching for the truth.

 

[Javl]

This is one of the points that some Protestants would make is that the Bible itself holds no proof of the seventh day Sabbath being changed by God into the 1st day sabbath. But you brought up another very interesting point, that of Jesus “fulfilling” the law. Would you mind if I asked you what does that specifically mean to you, that Jesus “fulfilled” the law?

When Jesus established His Church, and the Kingdom, the old law no longer held. He, as
God, could “fulfill”, complete, abrogate, etc. the old law. He gave us a new commandment and a new everlasting covenant. In proof of this, He gave Peter the Keys to the Kingdom.
Now ,we all know that whoever possess the keys to a house is the master of that house. He can admit who he will and exclude who he will. Jesus made Peter the master of His house here on earth and the authority to rule it. This authority did not end with Peter but has been passed on to his successors. If not, then why did Jesus bother at all to establish a Church or pass on the authority to rule it.

And as if this were not enough, to make it clear that Peter was to rule for Jesus, He also
gave Peter ( and his successors ) the power to “bind and to loose”. The decisions that
Peter ( and his successors ) make acting as the steward or vicar of Christ will be, and
are, ratified in Heaven. Jesus Himself will ratify these decisions. Therefore, one of the
decisions that was made ( and ratified in Heaven as per Jesus words ) was to keep the
Sabbath on a Sunday. To say, or do, otherwise is to deny and reject Jesus’ words. I hope
that I have made it clear. God Bless.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[Javl]

Well; we could call Catholic religion a “stew” too of Christian and pagan traditions; but then you’d say we weren’t being fair. There are parts of Christianity (both Protestant and Catholic) that are made up - they are called traditions; but in some cases, (certainly not all) traditions are Biblical.

Can you please tell me what pagan traditions are in the Catholic Church? I have asked before but have never received an answer. Also what parts of Christianity are made up?
As for the Catholic Church, both Eastern and Western Rites, the only traditions we follow are the traditions given us by Jesus and the Apostles.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[greggy53]

Jesus rested in the tomb on the seventh day, the day of rest. He made all things anew when he rose from the dead on the first day of creation - Sunday. This has been Christian teaching since the 2nd century at least, and fulfillment of the old testament.

 

[Catdan]

And as if this were not enough, to make it clear that Peter was to rule for Jesus, He also
gave Peter ( and his successors ) the power to “bind and to loose”. The decisions that
Peter ( and his successors ) make acting as the steward or vicar of Christ will be, and
are, ratified in Heaven. Jesus Himself will ratify these decisions. Therefore, one of the
decisions that was made ( and ratified in Heaven as per Jesus words ) was to keep the
Sabbath on a Sunday. To say, or do, otherwise is to deny and reject Jesus’ words. I hope
that I have made it clear. God Bless.

Hi Javl, Could you please point me to the passages in the Bible that makes this point clear for me?

cheers

 

[Javl]

Hi Javl, Could you please point me to the passages in the Bible that makes this point clear for me?

cheers

The passages are in Matthew 16:18-19. Now, can you answer my questions in my post
#510, please? Thank you.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[Catdan]

Thanks Javl, ill go and have a study on that passage. I cant find

Now, can you answer my questions in my post
#510, please? Thank you.

.

could you ask again??

cheers

 

[Javl]

Thanks Javl, ill go and have a study on that passage. I cant find .

could you ask again??

cheers

Originally Posted by Protestant101
Well; we could call Catholic religion a “stew” too of Christian and pagan traditions; but then you’d say we weren’t being fair. There are parts of Christianity (both Protestant and Catholic) that are made up - they are called traditions; but in some cases, (certainly not all) traditions are Biblical.

My error. It was post #749. My apologies.

Can you please tell me what pagan traditions are in the Catholic Church? I have asked before but have never received an answer. Also what parts of Christianity are made up?
As for the Catholic Church, both Eastern and Western Rites, the only traditions we follow are the traditions given us by Jesus and the Apostles.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[DeoSalvatoreMeo]

I had a very bizarre encounter with an SDA who was having a very loud conversation in public with two other people about how the Catholic Church is the Great Whore. Mind you, these people were just standing in a line waiting at a public venue that was completely unrelated to religion. I had the unlucky circumstance of having ended up waiting in line directly behind them. The man was making some of the most laughable accusations against our Church, like the supposed 666 on the Pope’s miter. No credible historian gives an credence to this fake miter. It gave me a very bad impression of SDAs generally.

 

[tqualey]

Hi, DeoCalvatoreMeo,

Fortunately, I have not had such an experience - and, I am not quite sure what I would do if I did! People like this have leaft logic and civility behind many years ago - rage and outrage seem to be their only tools in which to pump hatred into air.

I had a very bizarre encounter with an SDA who was having a very loud conversation in public with two other people about how the Catholic Church is the Great Whore. Mind you, these people were just standing in a line waiting at a public venue that was completely unrelated to religion. I had the unlucky circumstance of having ended up waiting in line directly behind them. The man was making some of the most laughable accusations against our Church, like the supposed 666 on the Pope’s miter. No credible historian gives an credence to this fake miter. It gave me a very bad impression of SDAs generally.

But, you know what I find very encouraging…? After years of being fillied with anit-Catholic hatred and lies - some SDAs have embraced the CC. This is truly a blessing - especially when you see how they minister to other SDAs.

God bless

 

[Javl]

I had a very bizarre encounter with an SDA who was having a very loud conversation in public with two other people about how the Catholic Church is the Great Whore. Mind you, these people were just standing in a line waiting at a public venue that was completely unrelated to religion. I had the unlucky circumstance of having ended up waiting in line directly behind them. The man was making some of the most laughable accusations against our Church, like the supposed 666 on the Pope’s miter. No credible historian gives an credence to this fake miter. It gave me a very bad impression of SDAs generally.

I understand. They are fed a line of lies, myths, and drivel, that cannot be backed up.
The trouble is that the SDAs and others tend to believe it. Please pray to the Holy Spirit
that He may open their eyes and minds to the real truth. God Bless.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[Protestant101]

The passages are in Matthew 16:18-19. Now, can you answer my questions in my post
#510, please? Thank you.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

I see you are “faithful” to the Magisterium; but you didn’t mention the Bible or Jesus

 

[Protestant101]

I understand. They are fed a line of lies, myths, and drivel, that cannot be backed up.
The trouble is that the SDAs and others tend to believe it. Please pray to the Holy Spirit
that He may open their eyes and minds to the real truth. God Bless.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

“Lies” and “drivel” are very good words when rightly used. In Bible study/discussion, use of same usually denotes excuse-makers who cannot support their “opinions” by correct exegesis of Scripture.

 

[Protestant101]

Howdy Patrick!

I guess I have to ask you re Gen 18:4, about the connection you have made with that to the Catholic Eucharist. Now, I know you said you didn’t personally make the connection, and that Paul did, but as I have looked at the verses you supplied, I do not see them, as they stand alone, as explaining the phrase “after the order of Melchisedek” very well. Can you show how you have concluded this bread and wine that Melchisedek gave out was in fact related to the Eucharist? And can you explain in response to my above question about why Catholics do not include the wine in the Eucharist/Lord’s supper? (that is the one part you missed commenting on). I think I just need to see a more thorough explanation before I can understand what you are saying. Thankyou.

 

[tqualey]

Hold on there, P101

From time to time posters have identified how you evade - which you then deny. Imagine…

Well, let’s take a look at what you have just done to Javl:

Originally Posted by Javl
The passages are in Matthew 16:18-19. Now, can you answer my questions in my post
#510, please? Thank you.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

And, now just look at how you resond…

I see you are “faithful” to the Magisterium; but you didn’t mention the Bible or Jesus

P101 … have you no shame? I know it is not part of your ‘dance routine’…but, just answer Javl’s question and then move on to the non-thread based questions you wish to ask - or, better yet, start a thread where posters get to explain their bios! You see, if you do this - you know, just sticking to the topic, then guys like me can not say you are evading issues. Of course, when you pull such nonsense questions out of thin air (like this bit about being “faithful”) you go to great lengths to prove my point on your evasion.

So, let me spare you a dance step with me … while I am a Cradle Catholic … I do not honestly recall the actual type of cradle that was used during my infancy. And, that is the truth!

Now, get with the program…

God bless

 

[Javl]

I see you are “faithful” to the Magisterium; but you didn’t mention the Bible or Jesus

My being faithful to the Magisterium is the same as being faithful to Jesus, and the Bible.
Please don’t change the subject or go off on a tangent. I do not do that when answering questions that I am asked. Thank you.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[Javl]

“Lies” and “drivel” are very good words when rightly used. In Bible study/discussion, use of same usually denotes excuse-makers who cannot support their “opinions” by correct exegesis of Scripture.

I am not refering to scripture when I say lies and, drivel, etc. I am refering to ridiculous statements made by SDAs which either cannot be backed up or are danced around and ignored when proof of such is requested. Please, can you answer my questions?

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[greggy53]

My being faithful to the Magisterium is the same as being faithful to Jesus, and the Bible.
Please don’t change the subject or go off on a tangent. I do not do that when answering questions that I am asked. Thank you.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

Amen. The Church and Christ are one. This is a big stumbling block to SDA’s. It’s seems even with the scriptutres that confirm this they remain blind to it.

 

[Javl]

Amen. The Church and Christ are one. This is a big stumbling block to SDA’s. It’s seems even with the scriptutres that confirm this they remain blind to it.

Yes. They don’t know and/or understand what the Magisterium is. For their edification, it is the teaching body of the Church that operates under the Authority of Jesus Christ and it is guided by the Holy Spirit. It makes no pronouncements, nor teaches anything that is contrary to what is in the bible. ( To try to prove otherwise would be an exercise in futility )
Thank you for your post greggy53. God Bless.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[Protestant101]

Hold on there, P101

From time to time posters have identified how you evade - which you then deny. Imagine…

Well, let’s take a look at what you have just done to Javl:

Originally Posted by Javl
The passages are in Matthew 16:18-19. Now, can you answer my questions in my post
#510, please? Thank you.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

And, now just look at how you resond…

P101 … have you no shame? I know it is not part of your ‘dance routine’…but, just answer Javl’s question and then move on to the non-thread based questions you wish to ask - or, better yet, start a thread where posters get to explain their bios! You see, if you do this - you know, just sticking to the topic, then guys like me can not say you are evading issues. Of course, when you pull such nonsense questions out of thin air (like this bit about being “faithful”) you go to great lengths to prove my point on your evasion.

So, let me spare you a dance step with me … while I am a Cradle Catholic … I do not honestly recall the actual type of cradle that was used during my infancy. And, that is the truth!

Now, get with the program…

God bless

I see how you just love it so when you can “show” your audience how the Adventist must be lying, denying or evading. I will just be quiet and let you revel in your “message.” May your “good news” be spread far and wide…