Seventh Day Adventists

[AwesomeSauce]

This has been bugging me for a very long time so I decided it was time to ask and see what other people thought about this issue that been bugging me.

I’m nineteen but this is still bugging me so here goes the little story.

I was friends back in elementary school with a girl who’s family happened to be Seventh Day Adventist and it didn’t seem like that big of a deal to be honest. Anyways, for the longest time we were best buddies and then everything changed when I spent the day over at her house and so like normal children we played around and had fun.

Then during lunch things started to changed when I was introduced to my first vegetarian meal which was very strange since my family is a meat loving kind of family. Anyways, I eat them meal and we even went to their church since they were having some kind of event that I can no longer remember. Sure I didn’t get the religion but everything was cool because I was hanging out with my best friend and everything was cool. Not really, a few days later I realized that my friend was no longer in school which was strange. And I was devastated because she was my friend and she moved and didn’t say good bye.

I went through the rest of elementary school and middle school thinking she had moved away. Not until ninth grade on the bus back from another day of high school. See there was this girl who looked oddly like my old friend who I believed had long since moved. I have a talent for faces I can easily recognize a person, I’m that good. Anyways finally after about two weeks of trying to double make sure that this girl was them same friend from elementary school, I basically said her name and sure enough it was her. We talked the bus ride back and I thought it was awesome that she was back.

Well to finish off this strange story after that day, she never rode that bus again and I’m trying to figure out why? It’s not like had any full on conversations about religion and it wasn’t like I didn’t respect her chose of religion and yet once again she seemingly disappeared.

Can anyone explain why this happened because I’ve never really under stood and even at nineteen I’m still confused about this.

Thanks a bunch everyone.

 

[Cat_Herder]

It is an article of faith for Adventists that Sunday worship is the mark of the beast.

Long story short: they don’t get along well with other Christians.

 

[CMatt25]

I’m not sure I’d make a blanket thread title saying SDAs dislike Catholics so much. I have a SDA friend who follows OT dietary laws but isn’t vegetarian. Once we went to a family style dinner and my friend had no problem with me eating all the sweet and sour pork brought to the table. But actually out of respect I chose not to. Sorta taking my cue from Romans 14 and not being a stumbing block. (Although I was assured my friend’s faith was secure) In any case it was no biggie. I had plenty of other choices available to me for that dinner. And would not have been disliked “so much” even had I eaten pork. And in your case you shared a vegetarian meal and all was cool.

But it might depend on the SDA. Just as you can find folks in any faith group who might come across as not liking someone of another faith belief. That’s one of the problems I think we encounter when we believe we know all truth and forget if we truly want to be truthful with ourselves, what we really have is faith and belief. Not absolute certainty no matter how much we like to think or believe we do. It’s all a matter of faith and beliefs when you get right down to it.

In any case one possible reason you might run into an SDA who comes across as being somewhat disliking of Catholics is because they believe we changed the weekly special day set aside for the Lord at Creation and in the 10 Commandments from the 7th day Saturday Sabbath to the Sunday Lord’s Day. They say Christ rested even in the tomb on the Sabbath. And that nowhere in Scripture did He make the change. I don’t know about the case of your friend specifically. But that is a major faith issue for many SDAs. And thus can lead to other things they don’t like about the Catholic Church. I suppose there can be some who then might relate Catholics to the Catholic Church. But for the most part it has been my experience it’s not Catholics SDAs object to but the Catholic Church. And they believe they’ll see at least some of us in heaven.

So God bless you on your faith journey with Christ as well as all of our SDA Christian brothers and sisters walking their walks with Him in faith. And in our unity in Him, peace to all.

 

[Tietjen]

I tend to agree with CMatt. A blanket statement like that is really not appropriate. I have a friend who is SDA and we get along fine. Neither of us really discuss religion very often but its not because our relationship would be damaged by it. He used to be Catholic and I have know many SDA plus studied up on the religion, so its not as though we don’t know about one anothers Church. People can be friends even if they don’t share the same religous beliefs. Perhaps her parents decided to home-school her (not because of you) or perhaps she was placed in a different school. I wouldn’t assume that the relationship disoloved over your being Catholic unless it was actually said.

 

[AwesomeSauce]

I’m sorry about the title, I was in a hurry and should have used a different title and I apologize I mean no offense. Really I’m sorry I wasn’t trying to be mean and I’m sure there are nice SDA and the thread title is rather mean. Sorry

 

[Reuben_J]

I’m sorry about the title, I was in a hurry and should have used a different title and I apologize I mean no offense. Really I’m sorry I wasn’t trying to be mean and I’m sure there are nice SDA and the thread title is rather mean. Sorry

Hi.

Don’t be sorry. You are relating what you experienced and you mean no harm. I am very touched by your story; it’s like something from a sad movie. We hope it happened not because you are Catholic but because of some other reason that you don’t know. At this moment maybe give it the benefit of doubt and treasure the beautiful memory of your friendship with the girl. Good thing will come back to the one who hopes and who has the right heart.

May God bless you and fill you with the joy of his Holy Spirit.

Reuben.

 

[jesuspsr]

Hello eveyone.

Awesomesauce welcome to CAF
I agree with ruebenj. For me, my head is my best freind, my worst enemy. Either I control it or it will control me. Follow your hearrt and God bless you.

jesus g

 

[Oldtimer_7]

I feel sorry for your friend. She certainly had a hard life dealing with whacked out parents. I have seen the effects of such parents, who use religion as a cudgel. Pray for her, because many children who grow up in homes like that often reject religion as adults.

 

[Ads]

This has been bugging me for a very long time so I decided it was time to ask and see what other people thought about this issue that been bugging me.

I’m nineteen but this is still bugging me so here goes the little story.

I was friends back in elementary school with a girl who’s family happened to be Seventh Day Adventist and it didn’t seem like that big of a deal to be honest. Anyways, for the longest time we were best buddies and then everything changed when I spent the day over at her house and so like normal children we played around and had fun.

Then during lunch things started to changed when I was introduced to my first vegetarian meal which was very strange since my family is a meat loving kind of family. Anyways, I eat them meal and we even went to their church since they were having some kind of event that I can no longer remember. Sure I didn’t get the religion but everything was cool because I was hanging out with my best friend and everything was cool. Not really, a few days later I realized that my friend was no longer in school which was strange. And I was devastated because she was my friend and she moved and didn’t say good bye.

I went through the rest of elementary school and middle school thinking she had moved away. Not until ninth grade on the bus back from another day of high school. See there was this girl who looked oddly like my old friend who I believed had long since moved. I have a talent for faces I can easily recognize a person, I’m that good. Anyways finally after about two weeks of trying to double make sure that this girl was them same friend from elementary school, I basically said her name and sure enough it was her. We talked the bus ride back and I thought it was awesome that she was back.

Well to finish off this strange story after that day, she never rode that bus again and I’m trying to figure out why? It’s not like had any full on conversations about religion and it wasn’t like I didn’t respect her chose of religion and yet once again she seemingly disappeared.

Can anyone explain why this happened because I’ve never really under stood and even at nineteen I’m still confused about this.

Thanks a bunch everyone.

I’m a SDA and i can tell you it would have nothing to do with her or your beliefs. For what ever reason (that you may never know) she has decided to dodge you, it seems to be personal, something between you both. lol and as for others saying Seventh day Adventists dont get along with other Christians, thats just not true. (did have a chuckle when i read that) I have Catholics, SDA’s and other denominations just in my extended family alone.
The way you put your question together did seem to make us seem different (dont know if you meant that) in whatever way. We do have beliefs that are different from others, but it’s all Bible.

 

[catsrus]

My best friend who still lives in AZ was sda schooled, is a vegeterian and is still strong sda.
She is married to a non sda with 2 boys. When I was invited to dinner, she cooked big meaty meals for the rest of us but only ate veggie.
She comes to see me each and every time she comes to PA.
Our very different faiths have never been an issue in our friendship.
She does her “thing” and I do my "thing.
P.S. My grandaughter has been a vegetarian for 13 years and is as Catholic as myself and her big Italian meat eater husband.

 

[Big_Dummy]

SDAists do believe in Biblical Seperation, so it could be that she or her parents view you as either a Sexual, sin or Spiritual, threat and thus She is “fleeing temptation”.

 

[BibleTruth]

I’m not sure I’d make a blanket thread title saying SDAs dislike Catholics so much. I have a SDA friend who follows OT dietary laws but isn’t vegetarian. Once we went to a family style dinner and my friend had no problem with me eating all the sweet and sour pork brought to the table. But actually out of respect I chose not to. Sorta taking my cue from Romans 14 and not being a stumbing block. (Although I was assured my friend’s faith was secure) In any case it was no biggie. I had plenty of other choices available to me for that dinner. And would not have been disliked “so much” even had I eaten pork. And in your case you shared a vegetarian meal and all was cool.

But it might depend on the SDA. Just as you can find folks in any faith group who might come across as not liking someone of another faith belief. That’s one of the problems I think we encounter when we believe we know all truth and forget if we truly want to be truthful with ourselves, what we really have is faith and belief. Not absolute certainty no matter how much we like to think or believe we do. It’s all a matter of faith and beliefs when you get right down to it.

In any case one possible reason you might run into an SDA who comes across as being somewhat disliking of Catholics is because they believe we changed the weekly special day set aside for the Lord at Creation and in the 10 Commandments from the 7th day Saturday Sabbath to the Sunday Lord’s Day. They say Christ rested even in the tomb on the Sabbath. And that nowhere in Scripture did He make the change. I don’t know about the case of your friend specifically. But that is a major faith issue for many SDAs. And thus can lead to other things they don’t like about the Catholic Church. I suppose there can be some who then might relate Catholics to the Catholic Church. But for the most part it has been my experience it’s not Catholics SDAs object to but the Catholic Church. And they believe they’ll see at least some of us in heaven.

So God bless you on your faith journey with Christ as well as all of our SDA Christian brothers and sisters walking their walks with Him in faith. And in our unity in Him, peace to all.

Hello CMatt,

I appreciate your post. You’re correct in that sincere, God-fearing SDAs who understand Bible prophecy have nothing against any individuals, whether they’re religious our not. But yes, we are fully aware that there are, as the NT Bible writers warned, deceptive false religious systems in the world. God acknowledges this but He’s calling His people out of them (Rev. 18:4). It sounds like there’s a **possibility **that the SDA girl mentioned in the original post was in a family that didn’t (hopefully only at the time) **fully **have the love of Christ in them. But, to be sure…the girl would have to be asked why things changed.

One thing I wanted to clarify is that it’s not us (SDAs) who made the claim that the Catholic Church attempted to change weekly Sabbath observance, it was the RCC: "We Catholics do not accept the Bible as the only rule of faith. Besides the Bible, we have the living Church, as a rule to guide us. We say, this Church instituted by Christ, to teach and guide men through life, has the right to change Ceremonial laws of the Old Testament and hence, we accept her change of the Sabbath to Sunday. We frankly say, ‘yes’, the Church made this change, made this law, as she made many other laws…” The Catholic Extension Magazine (response by Peter R. Tramer, under the Blessing of Pope Pius XII)

 

[BibleTruth]

It is an article of faith for Adventists that Sunday worship is the mark of the beast.

Long story short: they don’t get along well with other Christians.

Sunday worship is just that…Sunday worship. The mark of the beast is definitely an issue pertaining to worship (Rev. 13:15; 14:9)…worship of the Creator or worship of Lucifer (by way of the “beast”)…but the “mark” only comes after it’s enforced, which is after the beast’s wound is healed (Rev. 13:3; 17:11).

 

[vera_dicere]

As others have said, there could be more going on behind the scenes then her simply avoiding you becuase of matters of faith.

As for Sunday worship, I worked with a SDA who I thought had some interesting beleifs and we had a few discussions, I found him polite, but at the same time he had a passive agressive way of expressig his dislike of the Catholic faith. He told me that “sunday” is called “Sunday” because of worship of the Roman sun god, and that Catholicism was just out and out paganaism.

I tried to inform him of the history of the Church and its truth, and pointed out a few flaws in his reasoning but he was never really open to it, I got a new job, he got a new job, and I’ve had no contact with him since.

I still think of him in my prayers though, that’s all you can really do in those situations.

 

[Cat_Herder]

Sunday worship is just that…Sunday worship. The mark of the beast is definitely an issue pertaining to worship (Rev. 13:15; 14:9)…worship of the Creator or worship of Lucifer (by way of the “beast”)…but the “mark” only comes after it’s enforced, which is after the beast’s wound is healed (Rev. 13:3; 17:11).

[BIBLEDRB]2 Peter 1:20[/BIBLEDRB]

The Book of Revelation is NOT in chronological order. The fall of lucifer and his angels is in chapter 12—this occurred before the fall of man, let alone the first eleven chapters of Revelation!

 

[BibleTruth]

As others have said, there could be more going on behind the scenes then her simply avoiding you becuase of matters of faith.

As for Sunday worship, I worked with a SDA who I thought had some interesting beleifs and we had a few discussions, I found him polite, but at the same time he had a passive agressive way of expressig his dislike of the Catholic faith. He told me that “sunday” is called “Sunday” because of worship of the Roman sun god, and that Catholicism was just out and out paganaism.

I tried to inform him of the history of the Church and its truth, and pointed out a few flaws in his reasoning but he was never really open to it, I got a new job, he got a new job, and I’ve had no contact with him since.

I still think of him in my prayers though, that’s all you can really do in those situations.

Hello Vera,

Pagan sun worship precedes the formation of the Roman Empire, but it was adopted by Constantine and was “baptized” into Christianity by his desire to merge paganism and Christianity in an effort to bring relative peace to the empire. The first official Sunday law was instituted by him in 321 AD. After the Caesars were removed from power (476 AD), complete civil and religious authority of the empire was given to the Bishop of Rome (i.e. the pope) who maintained and upheld the same belief regarding Sunday observance.

Below is from one of the Catechisms on this subject:

“Question: Have you any other way of proving that the [Catholic] Church has the power to institute festivals of precept?

Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; - she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.” A Doctrinal Catechism, Stephen Keenan, 3rd ed. p. 174 (biblelight.net/keenan.htm)

 

[BibleTruth]

[BIBLEDRB]2 Peter 1:20[/BIBLEDRB]

The Book of Revelation is NOT in chronological order. The fall of lucifer and his angels is in chapter 12—this occurred before the fall of man, let alone the first eleven chapters of Revelation!

The good news is that the Bible interprets itself and history reveals the fulfillment. All we have to do is “know therefore and understand”.

How do you reconcile 2 Peter 1:20 with the fact that the Catholic Church says that her traditions supersede the teachings of Scripture and interprets passages how they see fit?

“If we must choose between the Holy Scriptures of God, and the old errors of the church, we should reject the former.” Johann Faber (defender of the Papacy) cited in History of The Reformation, by J. H. Merle d’Aubigne, book 11, Ch. 5, Par. 9.

“Like two sacred rivers flowing from paradise, the Bible and divine tradition contain the word of God, the precious gems of revealed truths. Though these two divine streams are in themselves, on account of their divine origin, of equal sacredness, and are both full of revealed truths, still of the two, tradition is to us more clear and safe.” Catholic Belief, Joseph Faa di Bruno, p. 45.

Do you really want to put your eternal destiny in the hands of fallible men and not your Creator?

 

[SteveVH]

The good news is that the Bible interprets itself and history reveals the fulfillment. All we have to do is “know therefore and understand”.

A book cannot interpret anything. It takes a human mind to do that which is why, without an authentic, authoritative interpreter, we have thousands of Christian denominations and sects giving their own interpretation. The only authentic interpreter is the Church that Christ himself started, which, as history confirms, was the Catholic Church. I seriously doubt that you arrived at your interpretation from sitting on a mountain top and reading it alone without any influence from the SDA church. By the way, who started your Church?

How do you reconcile 2 Peter 1:20 with the fact that the Catholic Church says that her traditions supersede the teachings of Scripture and interprets passages how they see fit?

The Church has never said that her Tradition supersedes the teachings of Scripture. Scripture is nothing but that part of the Tradition of Church put down in writing. They are held in equal esteem because they derive their truth from the same source. Tradition precedes the canonization of written Scripture which was accomplished by the Catholic Church in the fourth century and affirmed by the Council of Trent in response to the Reformation.

“If we must choose between the Holy Scriptures of God, and the old errors of the church, we should reject the former.” Johann Faber (defender of the Papacy) cited in History of The Reformation, by J. H. Merle d’Aubigne, book 11, Ch. 5, Par. 9.

“Like two sacred rivers flowing from paradise, the Bible and divine tradition contain the word of God, the precious gems of revealed truths. Though these two divine streams are in themselves, on account of their divine origin, of equal sacredness, and are both full of revealed truths, still of the two, tradition is to us more clear and safe.” Catholic Belief, Joseph Faa di Bruno, p. 45

I am not familiar with the texts you have cited and would have to know the authors and the context in which they were written in order to comment.

Do you really want to put your eternal destiny in the hands of fallible men and not your Creator?

No. I put my faith in the Church started by my creator, which He promised to remain with always, which would be guided by the Holy Spirit into all truth, and which holds and guards the faith given to us by the Apostles.

 

[Cat_Herder]

The good news is that the Bible interprets itself and history reveals the fulfillment. All we have to do is “know therefore and understand”.

How do the 115,000 babies who die to abortion each day in the United States “know therefore and understand?”

Do you really want to put your eternal destiny in the hands of fallible men and not your Creator?

No, which is why I am not a Seventh-Day Adventist.

 

[Cat_Herder]

The good news is that the Bible interprets itself and history reveals the fulfillment. All we have to do is “know therefore and understand”.

[BIBLEDRB]1 Timothy 2:3-4[/BIBLEDRB]

God desires for those babies to be saved. If you say that the only way to be saved is to “know therefore and understand,” then how do the 115,000 babies who die to abortion each day in the United States “know therefore and understand?”

Do you really want to put your eternal destiny in the hands of fallible men and not your Creator?

No, which is why I am not a Seventh-Day Adventist. Thanks for inventing breakfast cereal, though.