Christ promised that whatever the Church, as led by the Pope, binds on earth WILL BE bound in heaven. This does not mean that the Pope has authority over heaven but an assurance that due to the guidance of the Holy Spirit, whatever decision the Pope makes will be in union with heaven. That is what the infallible Word of God teaches.An ordinary person can sin and be forgiven before death. Priests and Bishops and Pope’s who disobey the Queen of Heaven and earth don’t even think they have a duty to obey or even understand their disobediance. It is almost as bad as thinking up an excuse to disobey, “to keep holy the sabbath”, and then to play bingo on Sunday. Just as Mary obeyed, we must go through Her spirit and obey also.
How so?You are asking what the definition of is, is.
How are we to obey her?All you have to think about is obeying Our Queen and Our Mother, Mary. Mary is the Boss
If Mary truly is the ultimate authority why does she herself explicitly say GOD wishes? I could be wrong, but I believe that this whole sentence reads that She is the messenger and God is the Boss.“You have seen hell where the souls of poor sinners go. To save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart. If what I say to you is done, many souls will be saved and there will be peace.
*I agree that speculation can be some what interesting and that we should not be doing this to ourselves. This is why I wonder why some seem to be doing this to themselves instead of just listening to what the Popes and Bishops are saying about the message of Fatima.All of this speculation is somewhat interesting, but, you are not supposed to do that to your self. It is hard enough to hold on to what you believe in without listening to frivolous mind games. What if this or what if that.
*How and why would they ever be afraid of the devil?When the fact of the matter is, priests and Bishops and Pope’s do not obey the Blessed Virgin Mary because they are afraid of the devil. Nothing worse than a Catholic priest who is afraid of the devil. Obey.
Notice how you say “When the Church Declares” but those who question whether or not the Consecration has been done are not questioning whether the Magisterium has the power to “Declare” - we alll agree that it does - what we question is whether or not it has used its power to do so. That is whats being questioned.Catholic priests being afraid of the devil? You’re making a lot of assumptions here which are unfounded and a lot of statements which you have FAILED to provide supporting references for.
First off, Mary is NOT the boss. God is the boss and Jesus is God. And the Pope operates with Christ’s authority when leading the Church. Jesus taught that a house divided against itself can not stand. And since the Pope operates with Christ’s own authority, EVERY approved heavenly apparition has subjected themselves to the authority of the Church.
Even Jesus subjected Himself to the authority of the Church. I call your attention to Acts 9:17-19 … even though Paul was directly chosen by Jesus, he only became a minister after the laying on of hands by a bishop of the Church. This is not because the Church has authority over Jesus but because the Church is acting with Jesus’s own authority and to contradict it, Jesus would be contradicting His own self and as I said above, Jesus taught that a house divided against itself will not stand.
No one. Not in heaven or on earth can lawfully contradict the official rulings of the Catholic Church on matters of faith and morals because those rulings have the authoirty of the Son of God behind them and we have Christ’s promise that those rulings are guided by the Holy Spirit of truth.
When the Church declares that the consecration of Russia was properly done, what right does ANYONE have to even question it, much less challenge it? By doing so, one challenges the authority of the Son of God and casts doubt on Christ’s honesty disbelieving His promises to us (Luke 10:16).
Word to the wise. There are Moderators who frown on posts of this nature. We are all Catholics here. No need to post things like this.OBEY!
How should our lives revolve around Mary?Our whole life should revolve around Mary. 365 days of the year. Not just in the month of May, but, all through the year. If you do that, it becomes obvious that for the Pope’s and the Bishops to wait one day is to wait too long. And, all the lives lost killed and wounded in war and all the babies lost forever. It boggles my mind that, so called, thoughtful people could be so blind and confused. Mary is the mediator of all your prayers and all your everything.
Dear Richard I believe I understand that we are to obey. My question is how should we obey?OBEY!
Have you got anything to contribute to this discussion apart from rants?OBEY!
Dear simple soul, You are asking what the definition of is, is. All you have to think about is obeying Our Queen and Our Mother, Mary. Mary is the Boss. All of this spculation is somewhat interesting, but, you are not supposed to do that to your self. It is hard enough to hold on to what you believe in without listening to frivolous mind games. What if this or what if that. When the fact of the matter is, priests and Bishops and Pope’s do not obey the Blessed Virgin Mary because they are afraid of the devil. Nothing worse than a Catholic priest who is afraid of the devil. Obey.
Just a word of caution – be very, very careful that you are not crossing the line into Mary worship, giving to the Blessed Mother the latria due only to God alone.Our whole life should revolve around Mary. 365 days of the year. Not just in the month of May, but, all through the year. If you do that, it becomes obvious that for the Pope’s and the Bishops to wait one day is to wait too long. And, all the lives lost killed and wounded in war and all the babies lost forever. It boggles my mind that, so called, thoughtful people could be so blind and confused. Mary is the mediator of all your prayers and all your everything.
One wouldn’t expect (nor would one expect that it could be so) that the Pope would issue an ex cathedra statement on something of this nature. Would you expect the Pope to issue an ex cathedra stating he celebrated the Corpus Christi Mass and had a procession afterwards or one that stated he said a novena for such and such an intention? No, we simply take the Pope at his word on such matters.I agree completely with the first paragraph as posted. It remains beside the point.
Secondly - every single utterance of the POPE is not intended to be Ex Cathedra de Fide.
Here is an example of an ex Cathedra pronouncement :
“We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff” (Pope Boniface VIII. Bull Unam Sanctam 1302)
Now can you produce something similar in regards to the Consecration of Russia Where the Pope said : "We declare, say, define, and pronounce that the Consecration was done?
Obviously not… So I remain unconvinced that it has been done. The Fruits say otherwise.
In my own head? Are you saying that the Church is subject to private revelation? Can you please provide a supporting reference for this belief?Way over the top “Sir Knight”, I gain the impression you’re arguing on principles you have in your head rather than knowing anything much about private revelation, the relationship of Mary to the Popes, how the Popes deal with it, and Fatima.
Invest too much in making your point and the mistakes you make however meaning well can be serious.
“Thou shall adore the Lord thy God and Him ALONE you shall adore.” – words spoke by Jesus as recorded in Luke 4:8.Our whole life should revolve around Mary.
It boggles my mind that so many people think the Jesus lied to us when He promised that His Church would be guided by the Holy Spirit of truth and that whatever they bound on earth WOULD BE bound in heaven. What other promises of Christ do you disbelieve?365 days of the year. Not just in the month of May, but, all through the year. If you do that, it becomes obvious that for the Pope’s and the Bishops to wait one day is to wait too long. And, all the lives lost killed and wounded in war and all the babies lost forever. It boggles my mind that, so called, thoughtful people could be so blind and confused. Mary is the mediator of all your prayers and all your everything.
As was pointed out earlier … CCC892 = Divine assistance is also given to the successors of the apostles, teaching in communion with the successor of Peter, and, in a particular way, to the bishop of Rome, pastor of the whole Church, when, without arriving at an infallible definition and without pronouncing in a “definitive manner,” they propose in the exercise of the ordinary Magisterium a teaching that leads to better understanding of Revelation in matters of faith and morals. To this ordinary teaching the faithful “are to adhere to it with religious assent”(LG 25.) which, though distinct from the assent of faith, is nonetheless an extension of it.Notice how you say “When the Church Declares” but those who question whether or not the Consecration has been done are not questioning whether the Magisterium has the power to “Declare” - we alll agree that it does - what we question is whether or not it has used its power to do so. That is whats being questioned.
Yes, obey your Church leaders as the Bible commands us to do (Heb. 13:7-17) because they operate with the authority of the Son of God and are guided by the Holy Spirit of truth.OBEY!
Or in other words, to those who claim the Consecration has not yet happened, why should I take your (the naysayers) word over the word of the Holy Father and all the Bishops in communion with him?Why would a Catholic question the Pope’s word? If he said he did something, who are we to say otherwise?