Several questions regarding the events at Fatima, Portugal in 1917...

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Well, if one believes, obviously one must listen…

And if one isn’t sure… the safest and wisest course is to listen too, considering the weight of the matter. 🙂

It is not as if, asking your bishops to say a single prayer one day is hmm. . like asking them to correct all their liturgical abuses in one day.

Minimal difficult to do that – one single prayer after all. 🙂

And if one is sympathetic to the faithful, the millions of faithful who would dearly appreciate a single prayer and are praying and begging you for it… one would do it no?

After all there’s no harm in it. But not doing it displays a certain stance towards all these good folks too.
 
Holy water is simply water that has been blessed by the priest. Blessing it will not change its chemical composition. And too the patriarchs in the Old Testament blessed their children, and of course this did not change the composition of their bodies, though God honored their blessings.

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ORD NASesILA said:
Talking of water quality is intrest to me as my country has very bad water. Can you tell me if Holy Water is chemically different to water from tap it came from? Regard, O.N.
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mdgspencer said:
Holy water is simply water that has been blessed by the priest. Blessing it will not change its chemical composition. And too the patriarchs in the Old Testament blessed their children, and of course this did not change the composition of their bodies, though God honored their blessings.

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I thank you for your answer to my question. I not wish to offend, it was just that you believe that the actual Lord Jesus is in your Communion symbols, so I thought that maybe the same sort of thing was happening to the Holy Water. Thank you. Regard,O.N.
 
ORD_NASILA said:
Talking of water quality is intrest to me as my country has very bad water. Can you tell me if Holy Water is chemically different to water from tap it came from? Regard, O.N.
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It implies that the water that he is claiming is coming from Fatima, is in reality, coming from some place else.
 
Shin said:
It is not as if, asking your bishops to say a single prayer one day is hmm. . like asking them to correct all their liturgical abuses in one day.
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If you are referring to the prayer for the consecration of Russia, the Church has already done this back in the '80s.
 
JMJ_coder said:
If you are referring to the prayer for the consecration of Russia, the Church has already done this back in the '80s.
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Perhaps you should read up in the thread.

Specifically, directly, I have never heard that it has been.

I have only heard that it has been done so at best in general as part of a ‘consecration of the world’.

If I may refer to the blessing Jacob received instead of Esau, and how useful it would’ve been for Isaac to just generally bless all his children, you might understand the difference.

Just like how you yourself, sometimes might pray for everybody, and then on a specific day pray for your mother, or father. If you think it makes no difference, then go ahead, give up praying for anybody specific ever, and just pray in general for the rest of your life. 🙂 See how far that takes you. . . but I would not recommend it. 🙂
 
Our Lady asked for the consecration of Russia, specically, in 1917 in order to avoid war and suffering. We have had war after war, hundreds of million casualties, wounded and dead. Hundreds of million babies dead in the War Against Life. How can the Pope’s and the Bishops and the priests of the Catholic church not do such a simple thing as say a Mass, at the same time, all over the world, for the Consecration of Russia? Isn’t that what they get paid to do? Seems to me they do not have any courage. Shame.
 
The Church is not subject to private revelations. It operates under the authority of the Son of God Himself – " … whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven … " – Matt 16:19.
 
Sir_Knight said:
The Church is not subject to private revelations. It operates under the authority of the Son of God Himself – " … whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven … " – Matt 16:19.
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If it were truly just a “private revelation” how can you explain the public miracle witnessed by 100,000 people? Also, how can you explain that the prayer, “Oh my Jesus forgive us our sins save us from the fires of hell, lead all souls to heaven, and help especially those in need of thy mercy,” was actually added to the rosary directly taken from this “private revelation?”
 
Jesus commissioned the Church to "teach the nations everything* I** have taught you"* (Mt 28:18-20). Any teaching which does not come to us from the Apostles via sacred scripture or Apostalic Tradition is outdside the scope of what the Church was commissioned to teach and is NOT binding on the faithful – this INCLUDES the rosary.
 
Sir_Knight said:
Jesus commissioned the Church to "teach the nations everything* I*** have taught you" (Mt 28:18-20). Any teaching which does not come to us from the Apostles via sacred scripture or Apostalic Tradition is outdside the scope of what the Church was commissioned to teach and is NOT binding on the faithful – this INCLUDES the rosary.
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Wow, don’t even have words for that one.
 
JustaServant said:
Wow, don’t even have words for that one.
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The rosary is not a doctrine of the faith. There isn’t even a single rosary, there are many different variations on what can be called a rosary (such as the Brigittine Rosary) – the seemingly most popular being commonly called the Dominican Rosary.
 
JMJ_coder said:
The rosary is not a doctrine of the faith. There isn’t even a single rosary, there are many different variations on what can be called a rosary (such as the Brigittine Rosary) – the seemingly most popular being commonly called the Dominican Rosary.
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Understood. But but it smacks of disrespect for our Lady.
 
JMJ_coder said:
The rosary is not a doctrine of the faith. There isn’t even a single rosary, there are many different variations on what can be called a rosary (such as the Brigittine Rosary) – the seemingly most popular being commonly called the Dominican Rosary.
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Exactly.
 
notredame_999 said:
If it were truly just a “private revelation” how can you explain the public miracle witnessed by 100,000 people? Also, how can you explain that the prayer, “Oh my Jesus forgive us our sins save us from the fires of hell, lead all souls to heaven, and help especially those in need of thy mercy,” was actually added to the rosary directly taken from this “private revelation?”
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From the Catechism:
There will be no further Revelation

66 “The Christian economy, therefore, since it is the new and definitive Covenant, will never pass away; and no new public revelation is to be expected before the glorious manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ.” (DV 4; cf. ⇒I Tim 6:14; ⇒Titus 2:13) Yet even if Revelation is already complete, it has not been made completely explicit; it remains for Christian faith gradually to grasp its full significance over the course of the centuries.

67 Throughout the ages, there have been so-called “private” revelations, some of which have been recognized by the authority of the Church. They do not belong, however, to the deposit of faith. It is not their role to improve or complete Christ’s definitive Revelation, but to help live more fully by it in a certain period of history. Guided by the Magisterium of the Church, the sensus fidelium knows how to discern and welcome in these revelations whatever constitutes an authentic call of Christ or his saints to the Church.

Christian faith cannot accept “revelations” that claim to surpass or correct the Revelation of which Christ is the fulfilment, as is the case in certain non-Christian religions and also in certain recent sects which base themselves on such “revelations”.​
 
JustaServant said:
Understood. But but it smacks of disrespect for our Lady.
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I’m sure none of us here mean any disrespect to her who is “blessed among women”, the Mother of God. We just must make sure that no one inadvertently subtracts from the Deposit of Faith that which is to be include in it nor adds to it what is outside of its scope. For example, prayer and its efficaciousness is a part of the Deposit of Faith, but the particular forms of prayer (save a very few examples, such as the Pater Noster) are not.
 
Shin said:
Perhaps you should read up in the thread.

Specifically, directly, I have never heard that it has been.

I have only heard that it has been done so at best in general as part of a ‘consecration of the world’.

If I may refer to the blessing Jacob received instead of Esau, and how useful it would’ve been for Isaac to just generally bless all his children, you might understand the difference.

Just like how you yourself, sometimes might pray for everybody, and then on a specific day pray for your mother, or father. If you think it makes no difference, then go ahead, give up praying for anybody specific ever, and just pray in general for the rest of your life. 🙂 See how far that takes you. . . but I would not recommend it. 🙂
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Both the Church and Sister Lucia (the Seer of Fatima herself) have said that the consecration by Pope John Paul II in 1984 fulfilled Our Lady’s request. The consecration has taken place. Listen to the Church!
 
I have listened, and what I think of it is earlier in the thread – but you haven’t listened to what I said and are just saying that! Is that how the Church teaches you to listen? 🙂
 
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