Several questions regarding the events at Fatima, Portugal in 1917...

[Robert_Burns]

You are aware that when the Church “approves” of an apparition all it states is that it is “worthy of belief”. The Church requires nothing from a private apparition.

So please answer my question, are you stating that certain private devotions are required?

Once again - you seem to want me to step in and either contradict the Magisterium who approved the Apparitions and Devotions or to dictate what you must or must not believe. Since the Church has stated that Fatima is “Worthy of Belief” then its Worthy of Belief. If you insist it isnt - Perhaps you can go to Rome and plead your case as to why.

Pax

 

[Robert_Burns]

Again, answering a question with a question that has nothing to do with the actual question asked.

A very bad habit.

Setting up straw men?

Afraid to answer?

Since when does what a Pope Said not have Relevance? This was once posted here in this Forum:

John Paul II, The Pope Who Understood Fatima

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Dear Forum, JMJ

I just read this new book, John Paul II, The Pope Who Understood Fatima and in it I read amazing insights about the Mission of John Paul II. It states that John Paul II was selected by God’s Providence to fulfill the mission, which was to consecrate to God, through Our Lady, the world that mankind (through Adam) had once surrendered to the fallen angel.

It states that “After the Creation the Creator used several clear symbolic actions to communicate to His first human son that he, and not God, was to have responsibility for the Garden. Instead of naming the animals Himself, God brought them to the man so that he, as their ruler, would name them. The Lord told Adam “fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth.” It was God’s will for man to be the one who named everything. He commanded him to ‘rule’ over all of the earth. Thus man was given jurisdiction and authority over God’s Creation as the ruler of the world. Humanity’s obedience was going to be tested even in the way that it handled authority and responsibility!
"Man was given the trust and the responsibility to have dominion over an earth blessed by God. Unfortunately, a slave cannot be a ruler, and God’s first human child, through his sin of pride and disobedience, became a slave of the ruler of darkness, thus surrendering this rule to the enemy of God."God is wiser than an arrogant evil angel. Since the existence of the poor demon depends solely on the Will of God, the Infinite Wisdom of the Creator anticipated that it did not require the intervention of the Son of God, to defeat a proud and disobedient angel… He announced to Satan, “I will put enmity between you and the woman,” So the Creator chose that this tremendous battle should be “a battle of creatures.” The spiritual Battle would be waged between the proudest creature and his evil followers against the most humble of all creatures, the Blessed Virgin and her consecrated souls. *

But… since it was the whole of humanity that needed to be saved, God requested for an act to be done at a worldwide level…. A worldwide collegial act! During the apparition of June 13, 1929, to Sister Lucia at her convent in Tuy, Spain, Our Lady said: “The moment has come in which God asks the Holy Father, in union with all the bishops of the world, to make the consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart, promising to save it by this means…I have come to ask for reparation: sacrifice yourselves and pray”

But this apocalyptic act would require a very special human being. One willing to undergo tremendous amounts of suffering because of his love for humanity. Who would be “the Pope” assigned to undergo the demanding challenge? Interestingly, seven-year-old Jacinta, the youngest of the visionaries would often claim that she had been granted special visions of a Pope whom she called “the Holy Father.” She said, Poor Holy Father, we must pray very much for him.” She died in February of 1920, praying for a Pope whose identity had not been revealed to her. Three months later, in May of 1920, a boy was born in Poland, a response sent from Heaven!

The book continues,
"The Fátima apparitions and the life of Karol Wojtyla,… were two historical events which God’s Providence predestined for an encounter. These two trajectories came to a fated collision at St. Peter’s Square on May 13, 1981 at the assassination attempt…. At Fátima, the Creator, through Our Lady’s intercession, called for the consecration of a world, relinquished to the enemy, to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. A message so severe and vital, that it took an assassin’s bullet to stress its importance…

“The Lady’s request became an essential part of his mission and he was not about to fail. He knew that our future depended on it. He set out to consecrate the world to her Immaculate Heart regardless of the personal cost. He obediently attempted the act more than once: first, on May 13th, 1982; later, in collegiality with most of the bishops on March 25th, 1984. Finally, he entrusted the whole world, in union with all the world bishops in attendance to Rome on October 8th, 2000. Each time, he did it in front of the precious image of Our Lady from the Shrine of Fátima. He also consecrated personally every nation he visited. His apocalyptic mission had been accomplished!” *

Has anyone here read this book?
This book can be found here:
queenship.org/productdetails.cfm?PC=6565

I pray this makes,

To Jesus through Mary,

Edward Henry

Hopefully it can enlighten you.

pax

 

[Victorious]

Just a question, is there a certain number people who see phenomenon for it to be mandatory that people believe that it happened?

The failure to believe in Fatima does not make one a heretic or a schismatic. But surely, there comes a point when the evidence is such that a decision not to believe stems from something other than prudence.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

Once again - you seem to want me to step in and either contradict the Magisterium who approved the Apparitions and Devotions or to dictate what you must or must not believe. Since the Church has stated that Fatima is “Worthy of Belief” then its Worthy of Belief. If you insist it isnt - Perhaps you can go to Rome and plead your case as to why.

Pax

Please point to where I said it is not worthy of belief.

I asked if you feel that the private devotions put forward in the message are required because of you pointed question on how many are doing the 5 first Saturdays.

I asked you a question, I have never denied Fatima. I have just stated that the Church Teaches that no approved private revelation is required belief. If you have an issue with that then it is you who must go to Rome, not I.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

The failure to believe in Fatima does not make one a heretic or a schismatic. But surely, there comes a point when the evidence is such that a decision not to believe stems from something other than prudence.

As I have said in this thread and elsewhere on this forum, I neither believe nor disbelieve. Fatima has no role in my spiritual life at this moment so I have not looked into it. That may change in the future, it may not.

I am sorry if you, or others, have issues with that but really if you do they are your issues to deal with, not mine.

I just state Church Teaching that belief in any private revelation is not required for any faithful Catholic when others seem to be pushing otherwise.

And it seems like clock work that every month or so a thread is created pushing Fatima in such a way.

 

[Robert_Burns]

Please point to where I said it is not worthy of belief.

I asked if you feel that the private devotions put forward in the message are required because of you pointed question on how many are doing the 5 first Saturdays.

I asked you a question, I have never denied Fatima. I have just stated that the Church Teaches that no approved private revelation is required belief. If you have an issue with that then it is you who must go to Rome, not I.

Well you have not read any of my posts where I ever said once that Fatima Devotions were a matter of Faith have you? Post where I ever stated this.

Once you realize that I have never said that having looked in vain and found nothing - then perhaps we can discuss this in a rational fashion. My post was directed to those who have decided to take up the devotion as is their option to do so as approved by the Church. Our Blessed Mother made promises to those who completed the 5 First Saturdays. It was in regards to those promises I was referring. If you are not among those who is devoted to the Fatima Apparitions - then my contribution really has no relevance for you does it?

Pax

 

[JReducation]

How can the Miracle of the Sun be a private revelation when it occurred in front of 70,000 witnesses? This miracle was public so that all (the entire world) would believe. God sent our Mother to give us the prophecy. It is coming true right before our eyes. The Holy See (Pope) is being persecuted daily due to the past pedophile among many priests within the church, the media, the lawsuits against the church etc. It is embarassment and humliation. This is one of the things Our lady warned us of. Do you think it will stop? It will only be stopped once the true Consecretion of Russia be completed (by name) along with the bishops and laity.

There have been six attempts of the Consecretation of Russia. All attempts have been done incorrectly. It is like a recipe. If you leave out the main ingredidient(s), the result is not going to be successful.

Without quoting the whole thing, you should pick up a copy of Light of the World. Pope Benedict speaks about the mircale of Fatima. He said that he does not expect to see history change radically. Rather, he is seeing the triumph of the Immaculate Heart happen very gradually and silently, but it is happening.

As to the things that you mentioned, he admits that they are horrible persecutions against the Church, but it is not the first time nor will it be the last. Something else will happen.

While he expresses a belief in the apparitions of Fatima, he also urges the use of reason to understand it. He uses a rather strange expression, strange to me anyway. He said that messages of Fatima was typical visionary. Then he goes on to explain that while he himself has a profound devotion to the Mother of God, he is very Cristocentric and he believes that the message of Fatima is a call to be Cristocentric. He sees that as the essence, not so much the secrets and prophecies etc. He sums up the message of Fatima by saying that the world must convert to a life of faith, hope, charity and penance for the Immaculate Heart to Triumph.

As far as the miracle of the Sun, even if it’s seen by the entire population that was gathered there and for miles around, it remains a private revelation, becaue it is not part of the deposit of faith. The Church allows for no additional public revelations. The Church has the authority to define what is private and public. Public does not mean that it has to be seen and private does not mean that it takes place in hiding. In Church language, public is whatever the Church recognizes as part of her life and as essential to her life. Private is what is essential to individuals.

To take this out of the miracle of the sun for the sake of better understanding, let’s take vows. A person can make vows in a Cathedral full of people, before a priest, and they remain private vows, because they are not recognized by the Church as being part of her life. The Church recognizes their validity and they are essential to the person who made them, not essential to the Church. A nun makes vows in the privacy of an enclosed monastery. There is no one there except her major superior and a priest. The vows are public. They are accepted by the Church as essential to the lfie of the Church.

Public is defined by what the Church accepts as essential to her life. Private is what the Church recognizes as worthy of praise or worthy of belief for the benefit of the individual believer. When it comes to miracles and revelations the Church has closed the doors on all public revelations and has definitively stated that there are no new revelations since the death of the last Apostle. This is the Church making use of her power to bind and unbind.

I hope this helps.

Have a blessed new year!

Br. JR, OSF

 

[nice2000]

Without quoting the whole thing, you should pick up a copy of Light of the World. Pope Benedict speaks about the mircale of Fatima. He said that he does not expect to see history change radically. Rather, he is seeing the triumph of the Immaculate Heart happen very gradually and silently, but it is happening.

As to the things that you mentioned, he admits that they are horrible persecutions against the Church, but it is not the first time nor will it be the last. Something else will happen.

While he expresses a belief in the apparitions of Fatima, he also urges the use of reason to understand it. He uses a rather strange expression, strange to me anyway. He said that messages of Fatima was typical visionary. Then he goes on to explain that while he himself has a profound devotion to the Mother of God, he is very Cristocentric and he believes that the message of Fatima is a call to be Cristocentric. He sees that as the essence, not so much the secrets and prophecies etc. He sums up the message of Fatima by saying that the world must convert to a life of faith, hope, charity and penance for the Immaculate Heart to Triumph.

As far as the miracle of the Sun, even if it’s seen by the entire population that was gathered there and for miles around, it remains a private revelation, becaue it is not part of the deposit of faith. The Church allows for no additional public revelations. The Church has the authority to define what is private and public. Public does not mean that it has to be seen and private does not mean that it takes place in hiding. In Church language, public is whatever the Church recognizes as part of her life and as essential to her life. Private is what is essential to individuals.

To take this out of the miracle of the sun for the sake of better understanding, let’s take vows. A person can make vows in a Cathedral full of people, before a priest, and they remain private vows, because they are not recognized by the Church as being part of her life. The Church recognizes their validity and they are essential to the person who made them, not essential to the Church. A nun makes vows in the privacy of an enclosed monastery. There is no one there except her major superior and a priest. The vows are public. They are accepted by the Church as essential to the lfie of the Church.

Public is defined by what the Church accepts as essential to her life. Private is what the Church recognizes as worthy of praise or worthy of belief for the benefit of the individual believer. When it comes to miracles and revelations the Church has closed the doors on all public revelations and has definitively stated that there are no new revelations since the death of the last Apostle. This is the Church making use of her power to bind and unbind.

I hope this helps.

Have a blessed new year!

Br. JR, OSF

What you basically just stated above is that "we do not have to believe in Fatima because it is merely a “private revelation”. I disagree. According to Father Joseph de Sainte Marie (who died in the 1980’s) and Bishop Rudolph Graber, (author of Athanasius and The Church of Our Times) they taught that Fatima is in a higher category than that of private revelation.

First: Because the message is a public message to mankind that contains dire warnings of consequences if the message is not heeded.

Second: This message was verified by God with the great Miracle of the Sun witnessed by 70,000 people and with prophecies that are still being fulfilled.

Third: The Church has pronounced that the Message of Fatima is true. It even now has its own Feast Day, May 13.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

What you basically just stated above is that "we do not have to believe in Fatima because it is merely a “private revelation”. I disagree. According to Father Joseph de Sainte Marie (who died in the 1980’s) and Bishop Rudolph Graber, (author of Athanasius and The Church of Our Times) they taught that Fatima is in a higher category than that of private revelation.

First: Because the message is a public message to mankind that contains dire warnings of consequences if the message is not heeded.

Second: This message was verified by God with the great Miracle of the Sun witnessed by 70,000 people and with prophecies that are still being fulfilled.

Third: The Church has pronounced that the Message of Fatima is true. It even now has its own Feast Day, May 13.

These two men teach something different that what the Church Teaches. There are no different categories of private revelations.

 

[JReducation]

What you basically just stated above is that "we do not have to believe in Fatima because it is merely a “private revelation”. .

I made no such claim. What I did was to paraphrase what Pope Benedict XVI has to say about Fatima, with which I concur. It did happen and the message is a call to faith, hope, charity and conversion (penance).

The second thing that I did was to explain the difference between a private and public revelation and why the Church authoritatively has said that there are no more public revelations, regardless of what any priest, theologian or individual may say.

The fact that we have included the Feast of Our Lady of Fatima in the liturgical calendar of the Roman Church does not imply that Fatima is part of public revelation. If that were the case, it would be a required observance for all Catholics, which is not. It’s a memorial only in the Roman Church. The rest of the Catholic Church does not observe it, nor is it bound to do so.

The reason that we have included it in our Roman calendar is because it is worthy of belief, first. Secondly, it is part of our Marian devotion. Whether we venerate the Mother of God under the title of Fatima or Lourdes, either is a good thing and pleasing to her son.

But I have not said that we need not believe, nor have I said that we must believe. I have said that I believe and that the Holy Father believes, but that the Church does not include it in public revelation. That’s why many of the other Catholic Churches do not celebrate Fatima. They consider it a Roman devotion. It’s not the they disbelieve. It’s that it’s not part of the deposit of faith. Therefore, they do not have to share in that devotion. They do have to share in devotion to the Blessed Mother, because her role in salvation history is part of the deposit of faith and part of public revelation.

That’s all I’ve said.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

[GaryTaylor]

Fatima is difficult to not embace in this decade. Especially as we edge another year closer to the century. Most of you read Pope Bendicts May 13th 2010 Homily. He knows we are deep into this mess.

The other thread about Fr Gruner was another good thread. Yet again it missed an important point. The Jesuits “Society of Jesus” and the comments made on public radio by Fr Malichi Martin in regards to the 3rd Secrect. Advisor to 3-Popes.

Here we have a rare individual who actually read the 3rd Secret. He was blindsided on public radio, and though he was bound by an oath of silence. He admitted the entire content of the 3rd secret “was not revealed”. He said he couldn’t speak on the context. But he did say we are in a lot of trouble. And He also referred the end of the century, to, “whatever will happen will happen before 2020.” Where his exact words. So that also confirms Benedicts Homily and referrence.

And it directly relates to Pope Leo XIII and his Vision of satan and Christ and the Dancing Sun. Which BTW is what Benedict referred to in that Homily in 2010.

Its not hard to see we are in a mess. 50-million catholic martyred last century. Just last month how many hundred were martyred?

The time of Peace as promised by Our Lady and was predicted in Bible. Its never came. Never has man had a time without war. A direct result of mans sins. Yet we could have this. It was promised by Our Lady.

Is Fr Gruner evil? Come come now, these are “different callings” thats all it is. When all the Jesuits walked out on John Paul II were they all evil? These are all Gods soldiers, and they have to follow there calling from God…first. And when it is in conflict with the church as you see they will walk away.

Russia has never been consecrated correctly. Thats has not happened. The problem is not that Pope Benedict doesn’t want to do this. He “can’t” because of the orthodox church in Russia. Lord, you see him trying to come into communion with them so he can Consecrate Russia. The poor man is boxed into a corner. He has no choice but to do what he is doing. Yes they have in around about way doen the consecration, never as Instructed by GOD. And that was the Holy Spirit working through Mary at Fatima. A dated, predicted Miracles after the message. Not just Worthy of Belief. “BELIEVED” by EVERY POPE since Fatima. And witnessed by 70 thousand. A PUBLIC MIRACLE though they call them Private.

But lets us not talk foolishly. We know what has been done and what hasn’t been done.The simple fact is these are all Gods Soldiers we are talking about. And they will suffer whatever they must, if thats how it must be. But it doesn’t have to be.

The fact that Our Lady said in the End my Immaculate Heart will Triumph also leaves a paradox. Because of the fact of their will be much to suffer…If her instructions are not followed? And they have not been been followed by the elect. If you have chose the reparation on the First Sat, and the Rosary? Well only you know that.

But that won’t bring the period of Peace. That still leaves us us with “the much suffering” part.

I don’t know how old most of you are here. But the world has continued to grow worse and worse. We certainly have reached a period no different than Sodom and Gomorrah, and the Deluge. You see the Fools in Australia, you see Islam, Abortion, Same Sex marrige, the Martyred of 50-million Catholics. Maybe some here are to young to know just how bad this has gotten. Maybe you really don’t believe in the Supernatural. Maybe you really don’t believe this is the War of Good and evil…that is the History of Mankind. And this is satan’s last hurrah as the Vision of Pope Leo XIII went.

We are in the last minutes of the last hour. And those few Good Souls who chose to Hope maybe mankind could have this time of peace. Well, we can get this done and make that happen. And it doesn’t go against Pope Benedict. I read all his books. I know he’s a good man. He’s surrounded by politics. He can’t do what He really wants to do. Or Russia would be consecrated. He’s boxed in.

You can help him, and mankind. Or we will suffer together. Think real hard about that Cross though. Because it won’t be light. Pope Benedict already chose that Cross. You can take off his back.

Its gonna get worse, and then God will do whatever it is he said in that missing 3rd Secret Text! I can assure you this, its not gonna be pretty. If it was no big deal, you’d have been read that text.

I’m not sleepwalking to the end of the night. I’m going here with a clear head knowing I did mine. And I also know war and have the GSWs and Scars to prove it. Make sure this is what you want to do while you have a choice. The cost of Souls is already so great. And it will get worse. Sad, really and not need be. You guys are smart people, I’m surprized you haven’t caught all this. Maybe we just don’t want to feel. And rightfully so today, we have become immune to chaos. We have forgotten we are civil. We have a rare opportunity and a stinking 6-years left? Were at the END! Not maybe, weve arrived.

Happy New Year!
God Bless

 

[JReducation]

Fatima is difficult to not embace in this decade. Especially as we edge another year closer to the century. Most of you read Pope Bendicts May 13th 2010 Homily. He knows we are deep into this mess.

Happy New Year!
God Bless

In Light of The World Pope Benedict says that his statement at Fatima was taken out of context. He says that he expects no major event to happen at the centenary, nor does he expect history to take a suddent turn. “It’s not rational” to use his term. He does say that his statement was meant to express his sincere hope and prayer that the world would embrace the message of Fatima as we approach the centenary. He sums it up as being a call to: faith, hope, charity and penance. The author of the book asks him point blank about the third secret. He states that all that was has been revealed. He is asked about his comment and that was his response. People read into it something that he did not mean and missed what he meant, a call to faith, hope, charity and penance. I urge people to read the book, because he answers questions about Fatima and many other important issues.

Have a blessed New Year!

Br. JR, OSF

 

[nice2000]

These two men teach something different that what the Church Teaches. There are no different categories of private revelations.

I did my research. This is what I believe. It is a public revelation for all of mankind. The Miracle of the Sun happened in our century so that ALL may believe.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

I did my research. This is what I believe. It is a public revelation for all of mankind. The Miracle of the Sun happened in our century so that ALL may believe.

Yes, and the Church deems it “worthy of belief” but the Church does not say it is a public revelation, the Church actually teaches that it is a private revelation as all public revelation ended with the death of the last apostle.

I no where say that it is not worthy of belief, I am only stating Church Teaching in this matter.

You may have done your research but it obviously missed that simple point.

 

[nice2000]

In Light of The World Pope Benedict says that his statement at Fatima was taken out of context. He says that he expects no major event to happen at the centenary, nor does he expect history to take a suddent turn. “It’s not rational” to use his term. He does say that his statement was meant to express his sincere hope and prayer that the world would embrace the message of Fatima as we approach the centenary. He sums it up as being a call to: faith, hope, charity and penance. The author of the book asks him point blank about the third secret. He states that all that was has been revealed. He is asked about his comment and that was his response. People read into it something that he did not mean and missed what he meant, a call to faith, hope, charity and penance. I urge people to read the book, because he answers questions about Fatima and many other important issues.

Have a blessed New Year!

Br. JR, OSF

On May 13th 2010(pilgramage to Portugal), Pope Benedict XVI stated “Anyone who thinks the prophetic mission of Fatima is over is deceiving himself.” He also stated the Third Secret of Fatima is about the sufferings of the Church and of the Holy Father that are happening NOW and will happen in the near future. He also stated these sufferings are happening because of the sins of the Church. All the Pope is trying to do is what Our Lady asked…Consecrate Russia to her Immaculate heart and to reveal the entire full 3rd secret. When God sent his Mother and Son to us to for six months straight, then performed a Miracle so miraclous that even the unbelievers that were present could not explain what occurred means he is trying to tell us something (warn us).

 

[nice2000]

Yes, and the Church deems it “worthy of belief” but the Church does not say it is a public revelation, the Church actually teaches that it is a private revelation as all public revelation ended with the death of the last apostle.

I no where say that it is not worthy of belief, I am only stating Church Teaching in this matter.

You may have done your research but it obviously missed that simple point.

Pope Benedict XVI believes. Repeat…

On May 13th 2010(pilgramage to Portugal), Pope Benedict XVI stated “Anyone who thinks the prophetic mission of Fatima is over is deceiving himself.” He also stated the Third Secret of Fatima is about the sufferings of the Church and of the Holy Father that are happening NOW and will happen in the near future. He also stated these sufferings are happening because of the sins of the Church. All the Pope is trying to do is what Our Lady asked…Consecrate Russia to her Immaculate heart and to reveal the entire full 3rd secret. When God sent his Mother and Son to us to for six months straight, then performed a Miracle so miraclous that even the unbelievers that were present could not explain what occurred means he is trying to tell us something (warn us).

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

To assist your research here is what the Catechism of the Catholic Church says.

67 Throughout the ages, there have been so-called “private” revelations, some of which have been recognized by the authority of the Church. They do not belong, however, to the deposit of faith. It is not their role to improve or complete Christ’s definitive Revelation, but to help live more fully by it in a certain period of history. Guided by the Magisterium of the Church, the sensus fidelium knows how to discern and welcome in these revelations whatever constitutes an authentic call of Christ or his saints to the Church.

Christian faith cannot accept “revelations” that claim to surpass or correct the Revelation of which Christ is the fulfillment, as is the case in certain non-Christian religions and also in certain recent sects which base themselves on such “revelations”.

 

[Robert_Burns]

On May 13th 2010(pilgramage to Portugal), Pope Benedict XVI stated “Anyone who thinks the prophetic mission of Fatima is over is deceiving himself.” He also stated the Third Secret of Fatima is about the sufferings of the Church and of the Holy Father that are happening NOW and will happen in the near future. He also stated these sufferings are happening because of the sins of the Church. All the Pope is trying to do is what Our Lady asked…Consecrate Russia to her Immaculate heart and to reveal the entire full 3rd secret. When God sent his Mother and Son to us to for six months straight, then performed a Miracle so miraclous that even the unbelievers that were present could not explain what occurred means he is trying to tell us something (warn us).

POPE JPII on Fatima

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20000626_message-fatima_en.html

 

[hoop0826]

Perhaps, in my humble opinion, Our Lady has been appearing to the world so that the world does not forget her while on their pilgrimmage to Heaven. Not only to remember to honor her , but also for her help on the journey.
As a relatively recent convert to the Catholic faith, I immediately was intrigued by Our Lady and her role in salvation and continuing involvement with the world. This greatest of all the saints, is just that, the greatest of all the saints, and is already where the world desires to be - in Heaven.

Also, I had been involved with fatima.org and read the 3rd Secret Still Hidden, but upon the adviceo of CAF apoligists , I have since requested to be taken out of their mailing list.

Is the Third Secret Still Hidden?

 

[hawko]

I believe that the reason that our Lady has been appearing all around the world ever since Fatima is because the world for the most part has not taken the message of Fatima seriously. I also believe that Our Lady is preparing the world for the return of her Son Jesus.