SEX; evil, sin and just plan bad! - or - Celebacy; good and pure! Amen

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I have only one good chirstian friend since I left my methodist church… that’s because she wasn’t at my methodist chruch… but she is a mormon and she seeks every weak moment I have to try and pull me into her LDS church. It’s quite awkward for me to talk to her now. She knows I am unhappy, she knows that I have left the church that I loved, that I am having trouble with catholicism, and she loves it, she uses everything she can to try and convert me to mormonism… I will never let her do it, but it’s hard not to talk to her because she is the only chirstian that I know now!
 
Zundrah said:
1ke, you seem at times very bitter towards me.
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I would not call it bitter. You post outrageous statements, under the guise of seeking to join the Catholic Church (you’ve posted more than once that you ARE Catholic, that you ARE in RCIA), and then when someone corrects your erroneous understanding of Church teaching-- or seeks to help you understand WHAT the Church teaches-- you make ugly statements like “If I believed what your church taught I would be as good as blind.”

That leads one to conclude you are merely trying to stir up trouble and have NO sincere desire to actually become a Catholic or understand what the Church teaches and why.
Zundrah said:
When I go to my catholic church I go to be with chirst
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I would encourage you to actually SEEK Christ in the Catholic Church, not just go to the Catholic Church in a “me and Jesus” mode thinking that which you church you go to and what you believe is irrelevant or interchangeable.

The Church’s teachings are the Truth about Christ, the Truth about salvation, the Truth about morality, and the Truth about *who *we are and *who *God is.

Your discontent stems, IMHO, from incorrect understanding of who God is, who you are as a child of God, and who the Catholic Church is in relation to God.
 
Zundrah said:
Sex or celebacy? What do you choose?

I already know what most of you men are going to say!

I choose celebacy, so did Christ…
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Your question plays into the incorrect negative stereotype that Catholics believe sex is evil.
 
I think it would be wrong to say that sex itself is intrinsically evil. It is true the writings of many Fathers (i.e. Jerome and Augustine) associated sex or at least illicit sexual pleasure with sin and original sin and its transmission, and also there were condemnations of certain sex acts outside of marriage (i.e. fornication, masturbating, homosexual sex acts, etc). But on the other hand, it seems to me that the Church teaches that sex is good and is part of the original creation (after all people have to reproduce some way) but in the context of loving sacramental marriage between man and woman. The positive writings about sex in marriage (i.e. John Paul II) seem to me to indicate it is a mistake to think that sex and sexual desire, when properly ordered and in the right relationship, are wrong or sinful.
 
Greg27 said:
I think it would be wrong to say that sex itself is intrinsically evil. It is true the writings of many Fathers (i.e. Jerome and Augustine) associated sex or at least illicit sexual pleasure with sin and original sin and its transmission, and also there were condemnations of certain sex acts outside of marriage (i.e. fornication, masturbating, homosexual sex acts, etc). But on the other hand, it seems to me that the Church teaches that sex is good and is part of the original creation (after all people have to reproduce some way) but in the context of loving sacramental marriage between man and woman. The positive writings about sex in marriage (i.e. John Paul II) seem to me to indicate it is a mistake to think that sex and sexual desire, when properly ordered and in the right relationship, are wrong or sinful.
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Even Augustine and the early Fathers were not speaking about sex in marriage. They were talking about concupicence or what we would call promiscuity.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Dear Jennifer

There is nothing wrong with sex when practised in the manner and for the reasons God intended. It is something very sacred and holy in this event. We can and do pervert it but it is very sacred and holy when done in the manner God intended and is creative and unitive between a husband and wife. It must be at least open to the possibility of new life even if there’s little chance and unite the husband and wife by increasing their love for eachother. Read the song of songs and see if sex is bad in Gods eyes. Jesus said some are called to be eunuchs ( can’t have children), and some are made eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom ( such as those who make vows of chastity like priests and nuns etc ) and some marry. I too feel called to the single life, perhaps a monk I think. But marriage and sex are very good and holy. In fact God is involved in it producing souls when it happen. Just because many people pervert it does not make it bad. Man is very good, but can do evil. There is a difference. We need to see ourselves as very good, sacred and holy, and loved by God as His little children. with a tremendous dignity and value and heirs to heaven.

I hope this helps you understand better?

God bless you dear Jennifer:thumbsup:🙂

John
 
Sex is not evil–it’s a gift from God, to only be ‘opened’ when married. Celibacy is also a gift from God. Sex has been tainted in our fallen world, but God created sex…so it could never be ;evil.’
 
whatevergirl said:
Sex is not evil–it’s a gift from God, to only be ‘opened’ when married. Celibacy is also a gift from God. Sex has been tainted in our fallen world, but God created sex…so it could never be ;evil.’
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I see it as evil, for men it is a gift but for women it is evil. That is why it causes so much pain.
 
Zundrah said:
I see it as evil, for men it is a gift but for women it is evil. That is why it causes so much pain.
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This is your opinion, not fact, though. It’s not evil for women…why do you think this? If we MISUSE the gift from God, then it is evil, indeed. But, if women and men in marriages, have sex in the way that God prescribes for us, why would it be evil? :confused:
 
whatevergirl said:
This is your opinion, not fact, though. It’s not evil for women…why do you think this? If we MISUSE the gift from God, then it is evil, indeed. But, if women and men in marriages, have sex in the way that God prescribes for us, why would it be evil? :confused:
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It is evil because it causes suffering.
 
Zundrah said:
It is evil because it causes suffering.
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*Going with your theory then, food could be evil…when we eat too much, we suffer for it. :o Sex in and of itself as God created it to be is NOT sinful. When we have sex with people before marriage…when we don’t follow God’s blueprint for it…YES, THEN we suffer. But, like everything God created, when mankind abuses it, that is when others suffer. *
 
whatevergirl said:
*Going with your theory then, food could be evil…when we eat too much, we suffer for it. :o Sex in and of itself as God created it to be is NOT sinful. When we have sex with people before marriage…when we don’t follow God’s blueprint for it…YES, THEN we suffer. But, like everything God created, when mankind abuses it, that is when others suffer. *
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Sex before or after marriage has nothing to do with it. Immoral sex has nothing to do with it causing pain!
 
Anyone is free to just say no. You just can’t say no for the rest of us.
 
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