"Sex is for married heterosexual couples only, says Church of England; "sex outside of heterosexual marriage ‘falls short of God’s purpose’.”

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PickyPicky said:
It’s possible , maybe, that since becoming Archbishop he’s had ample time to develop the kinds of personal relationships towards insights you describe. Could be.
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I think he has said so, at any rate.
 
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It’s also possible he might have been affected by the political and media establishments, and connections they have with powerful persons in the Church of England and in the general population
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Certainly possible. Indeed I think it very likely that his sympathies have been affected to some degree by the sympathies of the population at large.
 
Civil partnership is just another way to mean a legal relationship between two people of the same sex.

"The Church should not collude with the present assumptions of society that all close
relationships necessarily include sexual activity. The House of Bishops considers it would be a matter of social injustice to exclude from ministry those who are faithful to the teaching of the Church, and who decide to register a civil partnership. There can be no grounds for terminating the ministry of those who are loyal to the discipline of the Church.

In its approach to civil partnerships the Church seeks to uphold that standard, to affirm the value of committed, sexually abstinent friendships and to minister sensitively and pastorally to those Christians who conscientiously decide to order their lives differently."


Agreed with etcustodiatte on the mess in the church. The more one wants to find an easy way out and live a pagan life, the more the church will suffer as conservatives switch sides. And it’s easy to bend the rules regardless of the doctrines in the anglican church.

A side reading for those who are keen: the anglican church back in C.S. lewis day (1950) was conservative and catered well to the english speaking population since the catholic mass was in latin and non-vernacular.

Today, the Anglicanism stands fuzzy on doctrinal issues and liberal on moral values, Anglicanism can be viewed as an outdated national church desperately trying to be relevant by adopting women’s ordination, same-sex marriage and every form of political correctness.

 
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PickyPicky said:
think it very likely that his sympathies have been affected to some degree by the sympathies of the population at large.
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A good Shepherd should be sensitive to “where his flock is at”, right now.
If homophobes are in control of the media, government and education, the Shepherd takes that into account. That would be the leading lie that misinforms his flock, or the population at large. His teaching needs to specifically counter the Current bias, refuting the current misconception, filling in the current gaps.

Of course if ninety percent of the power structure has the opposite bias, promotes the opposite lie, attacking the Natural Law, the Shepherd takes this brainwashing of his flock into account.

The worst Shepherd simply reinforces whatever is popular at the moment, and omits what ever truths are omitted currently.
 
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Fr. Longenecker’s article is not bad, though could be improved. Primarily with a reference to a letter CSL wrote, 8 May 1945 (found in THE COLLECTED LETTERS OF C.S. LEWIS, ed. Hooper, vol II, pp. 645-646.
 
Really surprised and impressed by this. I thought the CofE was anything goes these days.
 
Bit daft as they’re essentially the same church, like two Orthodox or two Catholic churches opening beside each other. Is there not some kind of jurisdiction where they don’t encroach on each others area?
 
From what I understand, sometimes these distinctions have to do with the Episcopal church having gotten very gay-friendly and accepting of female clergy. Not all the Episcopalians or Anglicans or whatever in USA are pleased with that. Some of them have joined the Catholic ordinariates (which is how I heard about this, from them) and others make an Anglican church that’s more old school than the Episcopalians are these days.
 
What sort of jurisdiction might that be? They are two different ecclesial communities. As some folks would say.
 
If by doctrines and liturgy, then the closest will be Anglican Ordinariate, which adopt the anglican liturgy but function on catholic theology. It is separate from the latin mass, but they generally share the church grounds. However, the Anglican Ordinariate is fully integrated into the catholic church.

If by physical proximity, then the best example would be the cathedrals in the city, the anglican and catholic cathedrals within the city are usually within walking distance of each other, about 10-15 minutes regardless of the city I am in. However, the theology is different, even though the liturgy can be quite similar.
 
And no one is s really confused by Wisconsin Synod, Missouri Synod, and ELCA Lutheran churches in the same city/area.

Or are they? Folks don’t understand what separate ecclesial communities mean, perhaps? Episcopal churches and Anglican churches are different beasts, in this sense. The Ordinariate is a total different thing, likewise.
 
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Civil partnership is just another way to mean a legal relationship between two people of the same sex.
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In England and Wales, before last month, civil partnerships were for homosexual couples only.
Now civil partnerships have been extended to heterosexual couples after a heterosexual couple went to the courts because they felt they were discriminated against.
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Today, the Anglicanism stands fuzzy on doctrinal issues and liberal on moral values, Anglicanism can be viewed as an outdated national church desperately trying to be relevant by adopting women’s ordination, same-sex marriage and every form of political correctness.
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In their attempt to be “relevant”, they’ve managed to empty a lot of their churches. Being “relevant” has brought in very few people.

Many devout Anglicans have left for Catholicism as alluded to by others. Others to other Protestant denominations.

Some orthodox Evangelicals within the C of E have partnered with outside denominations in planting new churches. So essentially orthodox Evangelical Anglicans are sending some of the people they’ve helped convert or revert back to Christianity to congregations outside the C of E.
 
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GKMotley said:
And no one is s really confused by Wisconsin Synod, Missouri Synod, and ELCA Lutheran churches in the same city/area.

Or are they? Folks don’t understand what separate ecclesial communities mean, perhaps? Episcopal churches and Anglican churches are different beasts, in this sense. The Ordinariate is a total different thing, likewise.
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A big minority of my fellow Catholics would lump the Anglicans, Lutheran’s, Mormons, Eastern Orthodox, and Richard Dawkins into the Protestant church. Some nuances of difference, but same basic idea.
 
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(Sigh). Yep. I know.

And perhaps, in some minds, this extends to some overall authority which can decide how close a proximity a Missouri Synod and a Wisconsin Synod church could be allowed. Or any Lutheran and any Presbyterian. Or an Episcopal church and an Anglican church, such as one of the Continuum jurisdictions.
 
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