'Sexy' Vatican video hits sour note in attempt to include women

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Denise1957 said:
I appreciate your perspective, since you have lived in Italy. It seems a very modern culture, compared to what I thought it was. Glad that you wear a modest swimsuit (so do I when I swim), but the thought of 70+ women at the beach in Italy wearing string bikinis is a little scary. :eek:.
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Lol! Yes, modesty is looked at differently in Italy… in a lot of Europe, actually. I also lived and studied in Salzburg. At the beach by their lakes, it was not unusual to see woman topless and children swimming and running around completely naked. No one gave a second look. The last time I was in Italy (about three years ago), it is also not unusual to see mothers nursing completely open. They did not use covers. No one blinked or stared. It was just normal. It was also normal to be out at 11:00/12:00 at night and see entire families with young children and babies wandering the streets, having dinner (restaurants open late and stay open very late) and enjoying the summer nights. They have those old-fashioned looking carriages where the babies will just sleep while they are out and about. Over here in the U.S. if you saw people doing that, you’d think they were bad parents. Over there, it seemed to be the norm and considered fine.
Denise1957 said:
The woman in the video is old enough to be a grandmother. As a cultural aside, I spent a lot of time with my own grandmothers, and they sure didn’t dress and act like that. Okay, one was raised as a Quaker, but still. For all I know, the woman in the video is a devout Catholic, and she was only doing what she was told by the producers of the video. But she wasn’t representing Catholicism in an appropriate manner. Just my opinion…
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None of my grandmothers were like that either, but one was Irish and other was much older by that point, so I don’t know what she was like in her 50s. I do have a beautiful… no gorgeous… and wonderful aunt in her 50s, though. She is charismatic, in incredible shape, spiritual, devout Catholic, married to an Italian (and has kind of taken on some of the mannerisms that Italians have). She’s not quirky as the way the actress was acting, but she could have easily taken her place. One question, did you see the English version or the Italian version? I never saw the English version, so I don’t know if there was something lost in translation?
Denise1957 said:
It’s good to know, though, that there are still Catholic elements in the culture there, such as what you mentioned about the pictures in the school. We don’t really have that here in the U.S., unfortunately.
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Yes. You are right. When I think about it, it’s very difficult to “escape” Catholicism, especially in the very older sections of Italian towns/cities. It seeps Catholicism… at least culturally from the buildings and the paintings and frescos on the outer walls. It would be a sin to cover all of those old frescos up. On a side note, I was so excited when I found out that a very old, medieval church I performed in which was deconsecrated at the time, was just reconsecrated and now used for mass again. That just filled my heart. I hadn’t been in that town for 8 years when I found out.
 
Sarabande said:
Lol! Yes, modesty is looked at differently in Italy… in a lot of Europe, actually. I also lived and studied in Salzburg. At the beach by their lakes, it was not unusual to see woman topless and children swimming and running around completely naked. No one gave a second look. The last time I was in Italy (about three years ago), it is also not unusual to see mothers nursing completely open. They did not use covers. No one blinked or stared. It was just normal. It was also normal to be out at 11:00/12:00 at night and see entire families with young children and babies wandering the streets, having dinner (restaurants open late and stay open very late) and enjoying the summer nights. They have those old-fashioned looking carriages where the babies will just sleep while they are out and about. Over here in the U.S. if you saw people doing that, you’d think they were bad parents. Over there, it seemed to be the norm and considered fine.

None of my grandmothers were like that either, but one was Irish and other was much older by that point, so I don’t know what she was like in her 50s. I do have a beautiful… no gorgeous… and wonderful aunt in her 50s, though. She is charismatic, in incredible shape, spiritual, devout Catholic, married to an Italian (and has kind of taken on some of the mannerisms that Italians have). She’s not quirky as the way the actress was acting, but she could have easily taken her place. One question, did you see the English version or the Italian version? I never saw the English version, so I don’t know if there was something lost in translation?

Yes. You are right. When I think about it, it’s very difficult to “escape” Catholicism, especially in the very older sections of Italian towns/cities. It seeps Catholicism… at least culturally from the buildings and the paintings and frescos on the outer walls. It would be a sin to cover all of those old frescos up. On a side note, I was so excited when I found out that a very old, medieval church I performed in which was deconsecrated at the time, was just reconsecrated and now used for mass again. That just filled my heart. I hadn’t been in that town for 8 years when I found out.
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I can understand the cultural differences. I’m actually glad that the culture in Italy seems to center around families. That’s wonderful. When I visited Scotland last in 2002, it was similar. The buses there (my sons and I had to take public transportation in Glasgow) are designed to accommodate huge baby carriages in the front of the bus, which were made use of quite often. And there were public displays of religious images (Catholic and Protestant) which we don’t see here in the U.S. Glad to know that an old medieval church that was formerly deconsecrated is now in use with Mass being celebrated there.

Getting back to the video, it bothers me that the video wasn’t more “Catholic.” I saw the English version on youtube. It seemed very worldly, and our Lord told us to… “be in the world, but not of it.” I get it that some folks in the Church think that the Church needs to be more appealing (worldly), but I have to disagree.
 
ProVobis said:
Being from Chicago, I’m surprised you missed it.

google.com/search?q=chicago+nuns&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=fflb
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Those are the nuns that I thought you were talking about but I wasn’t sure about this. I’ve never heard one of the Chicago neighborhoods called that. They work in the Austin neighboorhood BTW.

I heard about the nuns on the radio and TV and learned that they are sedevacanists. Why would Cupich be supporting sedevacanists again? I looked at their site and didn’t see anything bad and bigoted on it so if people want to support the nuns they should. It seems like they are some of the saner sedevacanists.

The Chicago archdioceses is an odd dioceses. It is very culturally and ethnically Catholic. Probably the only other dioceses that might have a similar honor is Boston. The joke is that Rahm Emanuel has a parish. I’m sure that he’ll be getting lots of pictures with Cupich given the run-off. There are also deep divisions. There are apparently sedevacanist nuns and there is an SSPX bishop in Oak park as well as St. John Cantius and other Latin Mass parishes. On the left, there is Father Pfleger. Chicago also has a huge gay Catholic outreach and one of the oldest gay ministries in the country.
 
sttcatherinefan said:
Those are the nuns that I thought you were talking about but I wasn’t sure about this. I’ve never heard one of the Chicago neighborhoods called that. They work in the Austin neighboorhood BTW.
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Yes, I lived in Oak Park, right outside the Austin area. I’m quite familiar with that spot. These nuns have serviced the homeless there for quite some time. In fact, to be fair, a local Catholic parish (see the CBS link), when hearing of the mission, did make some money available to these nuns. So it’s not a matter of being sedevacantists or heretics or whatever to administer to the poor, cold, hungry, and homeless. It’s a humanitarian effort! As for Cupich, I’ll try to be fair and say he came into a diocese with over $100 million in debt but decreasing deficit. St. Sabina, of which Fr. Phlager is pastor, is part of that debt, so that must be handled carefully. I definitely wouldn’t want the job of an archbishop.
 
I didn’t see anything wrong with it.

I thought it looked like it could be very effective… which is the point of a commercial…
 
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