SF Archbishop on Pelosi: No Catholic Can Dissent from Church Teaching on Abortion

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Actually she needs to start following Catholic teaching… won’t hold my breath though.
Why doesn’t she though? This is what I don’t understand. :confused:

Oftentimes, saying “I’m Catholic” doesn’t produce positive responses. So, if she doesn’t agree with the Church’s teachings, why does she keep mentioning that she’s Catholic? What is she getting out of it? Do you think it’s a political move?
 
In the end does it matter? Being Catholic doesn’t guarantee salvation.
Well yes it could matter. If she maintains some tie or relationship with the CC or at least continues following the teaching that she is a Catholic and perhaps some of the other teachings, it could facilitate a return to the fullness of the faith and repentance and reconcilliation at some point down the road. More so than if she doesn’t.
 
all i can say is amen.

the bishops are there to guide the faithful. and on other times, give the sheep a good whacking to make them go to fertile valleys so to speak.
 
Why doesn’t she though? This is what I don’t understand. :confused:

Oftentimes, saying “I’m Catholic” doesn’t produce positive responses. So, if she doesn’t agree with the Church’s teachings, why does she keep mentioning that she’s Catholic? What is she getting out of it? Do you think it’s a political move?
Maybe although she doesn’t agree with everything, she agrees with some and holds on. And just acknowledges like we said that the Church calls her a Catholic. I don’t know if it’s a political move though. As I don’t see many Catholics for instance on CAF voicing that they would vote for her. And those Catholics in her district that do, most likely more or less already agree with her political views anyway.
 
all i can say is amen.

the bishops are there to guide the faithful. and on other times, give the sheep a good whacking to make them go to fertile valleys so to speak.
Unless the whacking drives them further away. Or to other valleys. Then from a Catholic standpoint that doesn’t help them.
 
Not to stray from the topic, or at least not to stray very much, but if the Archbishop decides to excommunicate Pelosi, do the members of this forum think there will be a formal ceremony of excommunication complete with deacons ramming lit candles into the floor and snuffing them out (scene from a movie, probably Becket [yup! – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRt2cKvJLlE”]Excommunication Scene from Becket] or something), or will she just be considered to have committed a mortal sin and thus have excommunicated herself, the same as a common murderer would have?
 
Oftentimes, saying “I’m Catholic” doesn’t produce positive responses. So, if she doesn’t agree with the Church’s teachings, why does she keep mentioning that she’s Catholic? What is she getting out of it? Do you think it’s a political move?
The left doesn’t like it when somebody says, “I’m Catholic.” They love it when you say, “I’m Catholic but I disagree with the teaching on X”.
This isn’t enough, follow up action is required; unfortunately, I do not believe the Archbishop will go farther on this. No history of American Catholic politicians facing consequences within the Church for their pro-abortion stands.
Slightly incorrect.

lifesitenews.com/news/illinois-bishop-upholds-priests-decision-to-deny-communion-to-pro-abortion
“Senator Durbin was informed several years ago by his pastor at Blessed Sacrament Parish here in Springfield that he was not permitted to receive Holy Communion per canon 915 of the Code of Canon Law,” Paprocki wrote. “My predecessor upheld that decision and it remains in effect. It is my understanding that the senator is complying with that decision here in the Diocese of Springfield in Illinois.”
I just went to a Pontifical High Mass celebrated by Bishop Paprocki. It was the best Mass I’ve ever been to.

So, he and Bishop Lucas before him (and a parish priest) had a politician face consequences.

Of course, two bishops out of however many we’ve had over the decades isn’t exactly a steller track record.
 
Not to stray from the topic, or at least not to stray very much, but if the Archbishop decides to excommunicate Pelosi, do the members of this forum think there will be a formal ceremony of excommunication complete with deacons ramming lit candles into the floor and snuffing them out (scene from a movie, probably Becket [yup! – Excommunication Scene from Becket - YouTube”]Excommunication Scene from Becket
] or something), or will she just be considered to have committed a mortal sin and thus have excommunicated herself, the same as a common murderer would have?

My own personal guess is the latter but I surely wouldn’t venture to see into the mind of this Archbishop to know how he might go about it. But the thing to remember the excommunicated are still Catholics.
 
Well yes it could matter. If she maintains some tie or relationship with the CC or at least continues following the teaching that she is a Catholic and perhaps some of the other teachings, it could facilitate a return to the fullness of the faith and repentance and reconcilliation at some point down the road. More so than if she doesn’t.
When one worships his or her political base more than God, regardless of position, it seems it will be most difficult for any kind of conversion. But in the end, we have to convert.
 
The left doesn’t like it when somebody says, “I’m Catholic.” They love it when you say, “I’m Catholic but I disagree with the teaching on X”.

Slightly incorrect.

lifesitenews.com/news/illinois-bishop-upholds-priests-decision-to-deny-communion-to-pro-abortion

I just went to a Pontifical High Mass celebrated by Bishop Paprocki. It was the best Mass I’ve ever been to.

So, he and Bishop Lucas before him (and a parish priest) had a politician face consequences.

Of course, two bishops out of however many we’ve had over the decades isn’t exactly a steller track record.
I knew I liked Bishop Paprocki! 👍
 
No she doesn’t. None of should question her faith-we can , however,question her interpretation of our faith
She knows that abortion is against Church teaching (she has said as much). She just obviously doesn’t care.
 
She knows that abortion is against Church teaching (she has said as much). She just obviously doesn’t care.
More likely she knows she cant elected in San Francisco if she opposes abortion. She has let her politics trump her Faith. A good move if you want political power-not so good a move if you want to attain eternal salvation.
 
Not to stray from the topic, or at least not to stray very much, but if the Archbishop decides to excommunicate Pelosi, do the members of this forum think there will be a formal ceremony of excommunication complete with deacons ramming lit candles into the floor and snuffing them out (scene from a movie, probably Becket [yup! – Excommunication Scene from Becket - YouTube”]Excommunication Scene from Becket
] or something), or will she just be considered to have committed a mortal sin and thus have excommunicated herself, the same as a common murderer would have?

I can’t tell you how incredibly awesome it would be if His Excellency had a formal excommunication ceremony (in the EF) for Nancy Pelosi. You could probably build and staff a pregnancy crisis center on the donations!

By the way, I don’t think mortal sin by itself is a sufficient reason for excommunication. Now I’m not familiar with the law in this regard, but usually there must be something more, such as obstinate persistence in sin or refusal to be corrected on a matter of faith or morals.
 
I can’t tell you how incredibly awesome it would be if His Excellency had a formal excommunication ceremony (in the EF) for Nancy Pelosi. You could probably build and staff a pregnancy crisis center on the donations!

By the way, I don’t think mortal sin by itself is a sufficient reason for excommunication. Now I’m not familiar with the law in this regard, but usually there must be something more, such as obstinate persistence in sin or refusal to be corrected on a matter of faith or morals.
It is the obstinate refusal to change. And I believe that since she’s public ally doing this (thereby possibly leading others astray), this becomes more pertinent for excommunication.
 
It is the obstinate refusal to change. And I believe that since she’s public ally doing this (thereby possibly leading others astray), this becomes more pertinent for excommunication.
Yes- I think the element of scandal should be considered. She is presenting herself as a Catholic avowing positions contrary to the doctrine of the church with the potential to lead others into sin. By the church showing compassion to her as an individual by avoiding excommunication they have exposed more and more people to an avowed and powerful Catholic espousing these positions while presenting herself as a ‘good’ Catholic.
 
Poor analogy. There is no teaching I know that says baptized a Vegetarian, always a Vegetarian. The Church has it’s teachings including that people baptized in the CC are Catholics. Sure they may be imperfect ones, not in full communion ones, or whatnot. But if you’re going to criticize Pelosi for eating at the cafeteria, you can’t too be eating from the cafeteria. Would seem to me, like it or not, you would have to embrace that she is a Catholic. Otherwise that’s also picking and choosing what you accept.
To quote El Rusbho “I’d take hypocrisy over moral relativism any day”.

The prior comment is nothing more than a black and white progressive argument that a Christian must be perfect in all things or be silent when others fail. See all the complex webs of nonsense they have to weave to support selfish causes?

That is not proper Catholic teaching.
 
I really can’t put down what I think of her, but, I do pray for her to practice her faith, and realize how wrong she is before it is too late.
 
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