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Um, lets see why even get up when EVERYONE is blessed shortly after by the Priest!
It is a line for the Eucharist, those able to recieve , recieve everyone else remain in your pew please:blush: .
If you need to “feel” like your a part of something then make a spiritual act of communion while sitting in your pew!👍
You think Christ only came for the righteous and that included…let me guess…you! Well that is great. I wasn’t brought up as a Catholic but why was I made to feel I was too sinful to approach the Eucharist becaus the people who stay in their seats are the ones who didn’t attend confession. I would have given my right arm and leg to confess and recieve but …no… RCIA takes a whole year! Didn’t matter that I had been an active Christian for 12 years, did it? I was just an onlooker at my own wedding! Not that I’m angry but some folk think that just because they are ‘all confessed’ they are the only ones worthy to approach the Eucharist! Newsflash!!! None of us are worthy except for God’s grace. Christ came for the sinners NOT for the pure.

Such church snobbery really riles me!
 
Yes - it is good fun! Sometimes the homily gets skipped altogether! And the priest thinks he is being kind letting us all go after a Mass that has lasted 25 minutes. It’s great!
I could see your point and I just realized there was time the homily was very short or skipped (I haven’t really seen it myself but remembered someone mentioned about it).

The main point I was discussing is "Does one get bother enough to get rid of this handshake).

I have answers contradicting each other.
 
I. I could never tell what I would do as I would probably be in shock. Hopefully I would fall at His feet and worship Him. After all, that is why He made me - to love and to worship Him in this world and in the next. As for the priest - I expect he would be equally gobsmacked!
I am certain that I would be with you at His feet, and your priest would be there also and all the Protestants we know would be right next to us. The one thing I doubt that you would do in His “Presence” is turn to your parish priest and ask him to give you his prieslty blessing. Worse yet, would you turn to the Extraordinary Eucharistic Minister you might be with and ask for a head rubbing “special” blessing.

In the Eastern Church the priest will touch the chalice to the person’s forehead. There is a big difference. One practice points to the Real Presence and the other diminishes it.

This folk practice was initiated so that no one would feel left out. It did not accomplish the intention. If anything the fact that the person can not receive is even more highlighted.
 
You think Christ only came for the righteous and that included…let me guess…you!
LINNYO I dont know you from a hole in the wall…but you are rude!
Well that is great. I wasn’t brought up as a Catholic but why was I made to feel I was too sinful to approach the Eucharist becaus the people who stay in their seats are the ones who didn’t attend confession.
Sorry. But for people that can not recieve they should be making an act of spiritual communion.
In case you dont know what that is …
My Jesus,
I believe that You
are present in the Most Holy Sacrament.
I love You above all things,
and I desire to receive You into my soul.
Since I cannot at this moment
receive You sacramentally,
come at least spiritually into my heart. I embrace You as if You were already there and unite myself wholly to You. Never permit me to be separated from You.
Amen.

I would have given my right arm and leg to confess and recieve but …no… RCIA takes a whole year!
Sorry. That is the Churches descion but it is also my understanding that it not always takes a year.
Didn’t matter that I had been an active Christian for 12 years, did it?
Not at all…as you well know.
I was just an onlooker at my own wedding! Not that I’m angry but some folk think that just because they are ‘all confessed’ they are the only ones worthy to approach the Eucharist!
WOW Linnyo you sound like you have alot anger.
Newsflash!!! None of us are worthy except for God’s grace. Christ came for the sinners NOT for the pure.
What is your point?
Such church snobbery really riles me!
snobbery? Whatever Linnyo.
You know what really riles me, folks that feel they can change the mass to suit their feelings!

I ask you once again
-why go up to get a blessing during communion when a blessing is given to all be the Priest shortly after communion?
-Why go up for a blessing, to fit in or feel a part of something, when you can make and act of spiritual communion? which is what folks should do when they can not recieve our Lord.
 
I am certain that I would be with you at His feet, and your priest would be there also and all the Protestants we know would be right next to us. The one thing I doubt that you would do in His “Presence” is turn to your parish priest and ask him to give you his prieslty blessing. Worse yet, would you turn to the Extraordinary Eucharistic Minister you might be with and ask for a head rubbing “special” blessing.

In the Eastern Church the priest will touch the chalice to the person’s forehead. There is a big difference. One practice points to the Real Presence and the other diminishes it.

This folk practice was initiated so that no one would feel left out. It did not accomplish the intention. If anything the fact that the person can not receive is even more highlighted.
When my kids go up for a blessing, nobody even touches their heads. I have never heard of this. What the priest does is blesses them in the same way he would any holy object. He does the sign of the cross and says “I bless you in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit” or similar words. There is absoloutely no ‘cross contamination’ and my children are getting to apprach the Eucharist and learn how to show reverence and, for when they are able to recieve, they are learning how it all goes. Actually it did achieve the objective of making people feel more included - I did! Nobody is looking at you when you go up you are at the front of the queue and all they can see is the back of your head. when you are staying in your seat, eveyone falls over you! You become VERY obvious.
 
This folk practice was initiated so that no one would feel left out. It did not accomplish the intention. If anything the fact that the person can not receive is even more highlighted.
Said very well.
 
From my favorite appologetic, Jimmy Akin"

*A reader writes:

My wife is Episcopalian. I am Catholic. Recently, she was attending Mass, sitting up in the choir loft with our 2 1/2 year old son, while I was the cantor. At communion, she normally stays up in the choir loft at the back of the church (my father sings in the choir, so she gets privileges to sit off to the side/back), but one of the choir members normally carries our son down to Communion- mainly just to give him a ride.

So, this most recent time our son went with his usual ride, and I think another choir member, or possibly the choir director (who is pretty Orthodox)- not sure which it was, said she should go down to get a blessing. As you probably know, at Episcopal/Lutheran/probably other churches you can cross your arms on your chest to receive a blessing if you don’t want to receive communion.

So, she went down, and did that, and the pastor basically looked at her and said “We don’t do that”. She handled it gracefully, but my questions are as follows:
  1. I thought blessings could be given in such a case. Is this wrong? I thought I’d read at one point had indicated this was possible.*
The giving of blessings during Communion time is a sticky subject. There are several principles to keep in mind:

Since giving a blessing is not the same thing as giving Communion, this represents an interruption of the distribution of Communion.
It is not provided for in the liturgical books, and canon and liturgical law prohibit introducing new elements into the liturgy.
That being said, a priest is empowered to interrupt the liturgy for an adequate cause. For example, if a plane flies over during a prayer or his homily, he can pause for a moment until the plane is past.
It strikes me as reasonable–and it’s certainly within the realm of legitimate liturgical opinion to hold that it is reasonable–for a priest to pause the distribution of Communion in order to administer a blessing if the alternative is sending someone away disappointed and possibly angry and disaffected.
That being said, I would not be encouraging people to go up for such a blessing since it is not provided for in the liturgical books–yet. (See below on this.)
What I have said applies to priests and deacons. It does not necessarily apply to laity who are giving Communion and who are empowered to give blessings in many fewer circumstances than members of the clergy.
Having said that, I suspect that the giving of blessings during Communion time is may receive authorization at some point.

At the recent Synod of Bishops meeting on the Eucharist, the bishops talked about this practice as a way of giving people (including non-Catholics) a way to participate so that they don’t feel pressure to receive Communion if they aren’t able to receive it. We know that because the topic showd up in the Instrumentum laboris for the Synod, which stated:

Some responses [by bishops to a questionnaire sent out to prepare the groundwork for the Synod] mention that priests, while distributing Holy Communion, give a blessing to children or catechumens—both duly pointed out—who approach the altar and have not made their First Communion. In some Churches, a blessing is imparted to non-Catholics who approach the altar at Communion time. In this regard, some responses from Asia suggest finding some gesture at Communion time towards non-Christians to make them feel more a part of the liturgical community.

It is possible that Pope Benedict will take up the subject in his Post-Synodal Exhortation, which should be released within a year or so. If he does take it up (and I’m not saying that he will) then my guess is that he will approve the practice for precisely the reasons that the bishops’ responses spoke positively of it–that it will relieve social pressure to receive Communion for those who are not able to receive, thus resulting in fewer sacrilegious receptions of Communion (something that the synod fathers were very concerned about).

It is also possible, giving how widespread this practice is, that the Congregation for Divine Worship may weigh in on it. If that happens, it could either approve or disapprove of it.

All this is just speculation, though. The issue at hand is what does liturgical law provide now (covered in the bullet points above).

Since this practice does not have current authorization, I’d try to be understanding of your priest. He’s trying to do what he think is right, even if his application on the law of this point may have not taken account of the idea that it is reasonable to pause the distribution of Communion for a just cause.

cont
 
2) He also does not bless the smaller children, which I have seen done other places. What is the common (or alternatively, the advisable) practice regarding that?

The same considerations apply. If you have a child being brought up for a blessing and one is denied then either the parents or the parents and the child may go away disappointed, angry, and disaffected, which strike me as legitimate reasons to pause to give a blessing.

3) If a blessing is allowed and/or proper/encouraged, what would you recommend as supporting evidence to the pastor?

Since this practice is not provided for in liturgical law, there isn’t really any documentation on it, but feel free to show him this blog post as a liturgical law opinion.
 
LINNYO I dont know you from a hole in the wall…but you are rude!

Sorry. But for people that can not recieve they should be making an act of spiritual communion.

In case you dont know what that is …My Jesus,

I believe that You

are present in the Most Holy Sacrament.

I love You above all things,

and I desire to receive You into my soul.

Since I cannot at this moment

receive You sacramentally,

come at least spiritually into my heart. I embrace You as if You were already there and unite myself wholly to You. Never permit me to be separated from You.

Amen.


Sorry. That is the Churches descion but it is also my understanding that it not always takes a year.

Not at all…as you well know.

WOW Linnyo you sound like you have alot anger.

What is your point?

snobbery? Whatever Linnyo.
You know what really riles me, folks that feel they can change the mass to suit their feelings!

I ask you once again
-why go up to get a blessing during communion when a blessing is given to all be the Priest shortly after communion?
-Why go up for a blessing, to fit in or feel a part of something, when you can make and act of spiritual communion? which is what folks should do when they can not recieve our Lord
.
Point 1 - well that makes two of us!

Point 2 RCIA never told me that prayer - never even told me that you could still be part of it!

Point 3 only certain people bring out that anger in me!

Point 4 It has nothing to do with feelings. Jesus cam for the sinners. I am a sinner and He says I can come to Him!

Point 5 I would go up for a blessing because I feel self conscious staying in a seat wth everyone falling over me and anyway, the priest says I can so why should I miss out? Pity some folk think otherwise.

Point 6 You can only make an act of spiritual communion if you have heard of it. Otherwise, again, the priest say I can go up. In fact he welcomes us so why shouldn’t I? I am just as deserving as every other sinner to go up! IN fact, with regard children, Jesus positively encourages that we should allow the children to go up to Him and He tells us to become as little children. But, hey, you know best, eh?

Further point, Why be Catholic if not for the Real Presence?
 
Point 1 - well that makes two of us!
Good thing I dont agree with ya:D
Point 2 RCIA never told me that prayer - never even told me that you could still be part of it!
Sad! Are you gonna teach your kids or are you gonna still go up for a blessing?
Point 3 only certain people bring out that anger in me!
Yeah, the ones that dont make you “feel” good:D
Point 4 It has nothing to do with feelings. Jesus cam for the sinners. I am a sinner and He says I can come to Him!
Hence you joined the Church;)
Point 5 I would go up for a blessing because I feel self conscious staying in a seat wth everyone falling over me and anyway, the priest says I can so why should I miss out? Pity some folk think otherwise.
Pity some folk are worried about what others think of them at mass;) and what are you missing out on? nothing you get a blessing shortly after communion, my dear.
By making an act of spiritual communion you ARE A PART OF IT.
Point 6 You can only make an act of spiritual communion if you have heard of it.
well now you have heard of it…what you gonna do?😃
And it really is a shame that teachings of the faith get watered down and not taught properly!
Otherwise, again, the priest say I can go up. In fact he welcomes us so why shouldn’t I? I am just as deserving as every other sinner to go up!
But why go up and get a blessing when EVERYONE is BLESSED shortly after communion?
Is that blesisng that the priest gives not good enough for you?
 
I don’t need you to agree with me. The priest welcomes/invites people to go up for a blessing. I now go to confession and can receive Communion but I will continue to take my kids up for a blessing as long as the priest continues to invite them. I couldn’t care less what other people think of me but I do care what I think of me. And do you know what? I used to think that feelings were not important but now I know that they are. Don’t really give a stuff if you are not in agreement with me here but feelings reinforce beliefs. Beliefs reinforce behaviour. behaviour reinforces fellings and that all works the other way round too. If the behaviour of going for a blessing makes me feel closer to God, my beliefs get stronger and my faith greater. And I’m not into ‘distance’ relationships like some people are so that is what works for me. I also know that is is not wrong because of the article you posted yourself. Thanks for that BTW. Anyway, I am off to bed now as I have work in the morning and I am tired. When I am tired I get grumpy. Are you tired too by any chance?
Good thing I dont agree with ya:D

Sad! Are you gonna teach your kids or are you gonna still go up for a blessing?

Yeah, the ones that dont make you “feel” good:D

Hence you joined the Church;)

Pity some folk are worried about what others think of them at mass;)
By making an act of spiritual communion you ARE A PART OF IT.

well now you have heard of it…what you gonna do?😃
And it really is a shame that teachings of the faith get watered down and not taught properly!

But why go up and get a blessing when EVERYONE is BLESSED shortly after communion?
Is that blesisng that the priest gives not good enough for you?
 
I don’t need you to agree with me.
So glad to hear it…would not want you to feel bad 😃
I couldn’t care less what other people think of me but I do care what I think of me. And do you know what? I used to think that feelings were not important but now I know that they are. Don’t really give a stuff if you are not in agreement with me here but feelings reinforce beliefs. Beliefs reinforce behaviour. behaviour reinforces fellings and that all works the other way round too. If the behaviour of going for a blessing makes me feel closer to God, my beliefs get stronger and my faith greater. And I’m not into ‘distance’ relationships like some people are so that is what works for me. I also know that is is not wrong because of the article you posted yourself. Thanks for that BTW. Anyway, I am off to bed now as I have work in the morning and I am tired. When I am tired I get grumpy. Are you tired too by any chance?
LOL!
Not grumpy at all…sorry to hear that you are:D
So linnyo I guess your not gonna teach your kiddies the Act of Spiritual Communion…sad!
And thanks for avoiding the questions posed to you …have a good sleep, hope your less grumpy in the morning.
 
:rolleyes:
So glad to hear it…would not want you to feel bad 😃

LOL!
Not grumpy at all…sorry to hear that you are:D
So linnyo I guess your not gonna teach your kiddies the Act of Spiritual Communion…sad!
And thanks for avoiding the questions posed to you …have a good sleep, hope your less grumpy in the morning.
I answered every one of the questions posed. Pity you are too …can’t think of the right word…to see them. Lord Grant her eyes to see and ears to hear. Amen. Ok so I am grumpy tonight. I presume that, because you are not grumpy tonight, you behave like this every night. How awful not to be able to see beyond the fact that you are perfect.
You come across as very judgemental of not just myself but of everyone who disagrees with you incl. the priest at my church whom you have never met BTW. You are totally inflexible in your ability to see things as others see them and wow! I am amazed that you profess to not have feelings. It would certainly make life easier. NEVER mock other people for having feelings. It is NASTY!:rolleyes:
 
From my favorite appologetic, Jimmy Akin"

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and I think another choir member, or possibly the choir director (who is pretty Orthodox)- not sure which it was, said she should go down to get a blessing. As you probably know, at Episcopal/Lutheran/probably other churches you can cross your arms on your chest to receive a blessing if you don’t want to receive communion.
 
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