Sharia Law. An attempt to derail our judicial system

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Oh yeah, I just saw it. I didn’t know there was a creeping myth thing. Thanks for clarifying it. I didn’t mean to agree to the link. :o
We’ve all done it (agree with a link or post we didn’t mean to) before, or at least I’ve done it before.
 
Congress has never actually passed any laws concerning Sharia and the states that have passed such laws are seeing those laws rightly challenged and declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.
The fact of state laws passed in a majority of states by state senators, congressman have all attributed to outlawing the creeping of Islamic Shariah law in their respective states.

Update; Congress has passed a law that outlaws Shariah law. The current presidency and attorney General has blocked it legally, whether or not it has reached the Supreme Court, because the Muslim leadership contested the out law of Shariah law remains to be seen, in the new and upcoming presidency.

Your gonna have to look to the present retiring attorney General and the present president’s action regarding this lame duck law under the present administration.

The fact remains, our congressman and states representatives have rejected and passed laws in their respective states banning shariah law which negates your false theory of Shariah law to be a myth.

I have not retracted that Congress passed the outlawing of Shariah law. Maybe the next president administration will bring this law to the forefront or do something with this law.

For anyone to deny that the Muslim leadership did not contest this congressional law of outlawing shariah law is not living in reality. One can’t fight the present administration of Barrack Hussein Obama for placing this law out of the public eyes.

The fact is U.S State laws in different states have outlawed Shariah law is the reality that prevents the creeping of shariah law entering. The Federal law has been contested. What Barrack Hussein Obama did with it remains to be seen in the political sector.

In retrospect the challenge of the passed state laws may have placed the Federal law in limbo waiting for the state law outcome. I have to say I do not know what happened to any passed state or Federal laws outlawing Shariah law, because all are contested by Muslims under this present administration.
 
The fact of state laws passed in a majority of states by state senators, congressman have all attributed to outlawing the creeping of Islamic Shariah law in their respective states.

Update; Congress has passed a law that outlaws Shariah law. The current presidency and attorney General has blocked it legally, whether or not it has reached the Supreme Court, because the Muslim leadership contested the out law of Shariah law remains to be seen, in the new and upcoming presidency.

Your gonna have to look to the present retiring attorney General and the present president’s action regarding this lame duck law under the present administration.

The fact remains, our congressman and states representatives have rejected and passed laws in their respective states banning shariah law which negates your false theory of Shariah law to be a myth.

I have not retracted that Congress passed the outlawing of Shariah law. Maybe the next president administration will bring this law to the forefront or do something with this law.

For anyone to deny that the Muslim leadership did not contest this congressional law of outlawing shariah law is not living in reality. One can’t fight the present administration of Barrack Hussein Obama for placing this law out of the public eyes.

The fact is U.S State laws in different states have outlawed Shariah law is the reality that prevents the creeping of shariah law entering. The Federal law has been contested. What Barrack Hussein Obama did with it remains to be seen in the political sector.

In retrospect the challenge of the passed state laws may have placed the Federal law in limbo waiting for the state law outcome. I have to say I do not know what happened to any passed state or Federal laws outlawing Shariah law, because all are contested by Muslims under this present administration.
So long story short you can’t actually find where Congress has passed laws concerning Sharia because Congress hasn’t actually passed any laws concerning Sharia; and therefore you are resorting to citing states that have and are ignoring the fact that these laws have been deemed unconstitutional by the SC are being challenged as such.

Also, I’ve never actually claimed that Sharia law is a myth. In fact, you can find previous threads in which I comment on Sharia law and the unjustness of it. The only point that seems to be a myth in this discussion would be that Congress has used Constitutional law to make Sharia illegal.
 
Heaven forbid that people actually practice their faith in the country they live in!
People scream freedom of religion, until they don’t agree with said religion.
Unless one understands what the Islamic sharia law is, which infringes and violates existing constitution human right laws, one would follow their local state representatives and vote to outlaw Islam’s shariah law.

If one ignorantly thinks Sharia law only pertains to the religion of Islam and gives it the legal right to violate our existing human right laws. Well, only proves Shariah law is a myth to the ignorant. Yet our state politicians know Shariah is not a myth.
 
Unless one understands what the Islamic sharia law is, which infringes and violates existing constitution human right laws, one would follow their local state representatives and vote to outlaw Islam’s shariah law.

If one ignorantly thinks Sharia law only pertains to the religion of Islam and gives it the legal right to violate our existing human right laws. Well, only proves Shariah law is a myth to the ignorant. Yet our state politicians know Shariah is not a myth.
Thank you for proving the other poster’s point.
 
So long story short you can’t actually find where Congress has passed laws concerning Sharia because Congress hasn’t actually passed any laws concerning Sharia; and therefore you are resorting to citing states that have and are ignoring the fact that these laws have been deemed unconstitutional by the SC are being challenged as such.

Also, I’ve never actually claimed that Sharia law is a myth. In fact, you can find previous threads in which I comment on Sharia law and the unjustness of it. The only point that seems to be a myth in this discussion would be that Congress has used Constitutional law to make Sharia illegal.
I respect your opinion that appears to reject the reality. I think I have proven that Congress in their respective states outlawed Sharia law.

Only you state that Congress has used Constitutional law to make Shariah law illegal. When the present state and federal laws are contested and remain in limbo under this current administration. Please quote me correctly, do not deceive the content of my posts.

So far according to your post, you mislead others to believe Shariah law is a myth. For your myth, I proposed laws which congress members have passed both at the state and federal levels.

How do you account for states outlawing Shariah law, when it is supposed to be a creeping shariah myth? I have proven my point that it is not a myth. What say you?

Interesting you have shariah law reaching the Supreme Court under a pretense of a myth, not to mention you state; the Supreme court “rightly” contests the passed laws of local states under the constitution?

Can you provide proof where the Supreme court reached a decision which nullified any of the Sates passed law which outlawed Shariah law justly?

Under this pretense of debate only reveals the myth of Shariah law creeping into our legal and educational systems is not a myth at all but a reality. When Shariah law derails any free societies judicial system and changes the fabric of any free society.

Unless you have any more to add, please leave my posts as they stand and do not misquote me or the content of my posts.

Peace be with you
 
Congress has never actually passed any laws concerning Sharia and the states that have passed such laws are seeing those laws rightly challenged and declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.
If so that’s good to know. But it doesn’t mean no more attempts to change the courts would be made.
 
I respect your opinion that appears to reject the reality. I think I have proven that Congress in their respective states outlawed Sharia law.
You understand that in the American system of governance that Congress is federal and that the various states also have legislative bodies that may or may not go by the term Congress right? When referring to the federal level, one simply states “Congress”, when referring to the state level one states “state congress,” “state legislature”, or what ever term used by the state to identify it’s legislative body.

You have yet to actually validate your claim that the US Congress has passed laws concerning Sharia, let alone pass laws making it illegal. Here’s your comment-

“Congress passed legislation to make any Islamic Shariah law illegal by Constitutional law. But I do not think it addresses the Local state law mandates? I wonder why Congress acted in this way post 911? Very interesting the U.S Congress outlaws Shariah law by Federal law, because “Shariah law” is considered a myth? I would really like a reasonable explanation for this act by the U.S Congress post 911.”

Only you state that Congress has used Constitutional law to make Shariah law illegal. When the present state and federal laws are contested and remain in limbo under this current administration. Please quote me correctly, do not deceive the content of my posts.
I’m not the one claiming that Congress used Constitutional law to make Sharia illegal. That would be you as seen in the quotation above.

So far according to your post, you mislead others to believe Shariah law is a myth. For your myth, I proposed laws which congress members have passed both at the state and federal levels.
I’ve never stated that Sharia law is a myth, even though you’ve repeatedly tried to claim that I have. Perhaps in addition to the citation of Congress passing laws concerning Sharia you can also cite where I’ve made such a claim?

How do you account for states outlawing Shariah law, when it is supposed to be a creeping shariah myth? I have proven my point that it is not a myth. What say you?
I say that you are very confused on how the US creates laws, how US governance works, on Islam in general, on what I’ve supposedly said, and that logic somehow dictates that Sharia law and/or “creeping Sharia” are somehow true simply because states have passed laws against Sharia.
 
If so that’s good to know. But it doesn’t mean no more attempts to change the courts would be made.
Is there something fundamentally different between Muslims wishing to shape society and our legal system to better reflect their values and beliefs and any other group doing the same?
 
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“Congress passed legislation to make any Islamic Shariah law illegal by Constitutional law. But I do not think it addresses the Local state law mandates? I wonder why Congress acted in this way post 911? Very interesting the U.S Congress outlaws Shariah law by Federal law, because “Shariah law” is considered a myth? I would really like a reasonable explanation for this act by the U.S Congress post 911.”
Congress Passing legislation according to the Constitution, which Shariah law violates Constitutional law, introducing a bill and passing a law which is challenged by the Current administration remains to be seen both at the State and Federal levels. These passed laws rejecting Shariah law may not be enforced today due to Muslims contesting them, is all the justice your post have served here.
A state representative is not the same as one’s local Congressman. these are same members of different houses who legislate law at the federal level. You don’t pretend to believe our state Congressman are not members of the U.S congress assembly do you?

So why would any congress member pass state laws to reject Shariah law? I have no more to comment on the outcome of why and where these state laws are currently in our judicial system.

Why would these same congress members pass legislation and law to out law Shariah law at the Federal level? I have no more comment on the outcome or why Muslims contested it or why this current administration uses it’s power to block it, or where this law is currently in our judicial system.

The fact remains Shariah law derails our judicial system, which I have proven this according to our Congressman and State representatives.

Do have anything new to add to Shariah law. An attempt to derail our judicial system?
 
Unless one understands what the Islamic sharia law is, which infringes and violates existing constitution human right laws, one would follow their local state representatives and vote to outlaw Islam’s shariah law.

If one ignorantly thinks Sharia law only pertains to the religion of Islam and gives it the legal right to violate our existing human right laws. Well, only proves Shariah law is a myth to the ignorant. Yet our state politicians know Shariah is not a myth.
You have yet to prove anything you have said in this thread. Even when it seems like posters are begging for links to what you are talking about. Please, don’t call me ignorant.

I don’t have a problem with people of different faiths practicing their faith. This country gives people the fundamental right to worship how they see fit.

When you start taking rights away from others, your rights can and will be slowly taken from you.
 
You have yet to prove anything you have said in this thread. Even when it seems like posters are begging for links to what you are talking about. Please, don’t call me ignorant.

I don’t have a problem with people of different faiths practicing their faith. This country gives people the fundamental right to worship how they see fit.

When you start taking rights away from others, your rights can and will be slowly taken from you.
I never called you ignorant, forgive me if you misread my post. If any one who is ignorant of Sharia law, is what my post relates too.

Do you know Sharia law? in order to justify it’s existence within our society, which lawmakers have proven by law Shariah law violates human rights and our constitution of an individuals rights as a free human being?

I haven’t rejected anyone’s religion here; I have proven that laws have been passed to reject Shariah law. These laws were passed by our lawmakers from Congress. Did you read All the link I provided in post #35? and then follow the respective States and there Congressman acting in congress to out law Shariah law? It proves that Shariah law is not a myth that creeps into societies. But a reality that our law makers have acted years ago to prevent the creeping of Shariah law into our judicial systems. If that is not proof enough for anyone, then it leaves the doubters with the burden of proof.

Peace be with you
 
Never mind about religious freedom or whether Congress outlawing Sharia Law or not, as such arguments are senseless when I read more about the Sharia Law. There is no place in this world for Sharia Law to have any jurisdiction.

According to the Sharia law:

Theft is punishable by amputation of the right hand (above).
Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
Criticizing or denying Muhammad is a prophet is punishable by death.
Criticizing or denying Allah, the moon god of Islam is punishable by death.
A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death.
A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.:eek:
• Girls’ clitoris should be cut (per Muhammad’s words in Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
• A woman can have 1 husband, but a man can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
• A man can unilaterally divorce his wife but a woman needs her husband’s consent to divorce.
A man can beat his wife for insubordination.
• Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman.
A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
A woman’s testimony in court, allowed only in property cases, carries half the weight of a man’s.
• A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits.
• A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).
• A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
• Meat to be eaten must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be Halal.
Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.

The list goes on. Even as non-Muslims, we will be subjected to the Sharia Law to a certain degree if not fully. For Muslims, they are not subjected to our laws but their own.

I cannot help noticing that among the wars and the persecution of Christians in the Middle East, adding to that the Sharia Law issue in the Western countries…it makes me think that the people fighting for the Sharia Law to take effect are under the influence from the urging of the political parties of the Middle East.

No matter how I try to look at these issues, they always seem bound together like a package. If the Sharia Law is allowed in any country, it will path a way for Islam to enter politics and even dominate the country. The way I see it, the Sharia Law is like dark heavy clouds before a huge storm.

NO to Sharia Law.
 
Congress Passing legislation according to the Constitution, which Shariah law violates Constitutional law, introducing a bill and passing a law which is challenged by the Current administration remains to be seen both at the State and Federal levels. These passed laws rejecting Shariah law may not be enforced today due to Muslims contesting them, is all the justice your post have served here.
A state representative is not the same as one’s local Congressman. these are same members of different houses who legislate law at the federal level. You don’t pretend to believe our state Congressman are not members of the U.S congress assembly do you?

So why would any congress member pass state laws to reject Shariah law? I have no more to comment on the outcome of why and where these state laws are currently in our judicial system.

Why would these same congress members pass legislation and law to out law Shariah law at the Federal level? I have no more comment on the outcome or why Muslims contested it or why this current administration uses it’s power to block it, or where this law is currently in our judicial system.

The fact remains Shariah law derails our judicial system, which I have proven this according to our Congressman and State representatives.

Do have anything new to add to Shariah law. An attempt to derail our judicial system?
Congress hasn’t actually passed any laws concerning Sharia. States have, but these laws have either been deemed unconstitutional or are currently being challenged as such. I don’t know how much plainer I can state that.
 
Congress hasn’t actually passed any laws concerning Sharia. States have, but these laws have either been deemed unconstitutional or are currently being challenged as such. I don’t know how much plainer I can state that.
Apparently you did not read the link I provided and failed to follow up the states and their local congressman.
 
Apparently you did not read the link I provided and failed to follow up the states and their local congressman.
Do you understand the difference between state and federal government and the difference between the federal legislative body (i.e. Congress) and state legislative bodies?
 
Never mind about religious freedom or whether Congress outlawing Sharia Law or not, as such arguments are senseless when I read more about the Sharia Law. There is no place in this world for Sharia Law to have any jurisdiction.

According to the Sharia law:

Theft is punishable by amputation of the right hand (above).
Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
Criticizing or denying Muhammad is a prophet is punishable by death.
Criticizing or denying Allah, the moon god of Islam is punishable by death.
A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death.
A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.:eek:
• Girls’ clitoris should be cut (per Muhammad’s words in Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
• A woman can have 1 husband, but a man can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
• A man can unilaterally divorce his wife but a woman needs her husband’s consent to divorce.
A man can beat his wife for insubordination.
• Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman.
A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
A woman’s testimony in court, allowed only in property cases, carries half the weight of a man’s.
• A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits.
• A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).
• A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
• Meat to be eaten must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be Halal.
Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.

The list goes on. Even as non-Muslims, we will be subjected to the Sharia Law to a certain degree if not fully. For Muslims, they are not subjected to our laws but their own.

I cannot help noticing that among the wars and the persecution of Christians in the Middle East, adding to that the Sharia Law issue in the Western countries…it makes me think that the people fighting for the Sharia Law to take effect are under the influence from the urging of the political parties of the Middle East.

No matter how I try to look at these issues, they always seem bound together like a package. If the Sharia Law is allowed in any country, it will path a way for Islam to enter politics and even dominate the country. The way I see it, the Sharia Law is like dark heavy clouds before a huge storm.

NO to Sharia Law.
These laws and many more from Shariah law creep in a free society, by the ignorant of Islam who convert to Islam and who many find it too late to leave Islam because of the death law from Shariah.

Why the laws passed to outlaw Shariah law have come under contest by Muslims and the Administration at both state and federal level remain in limbo why?

Why have these laws passed objecting to Shariah law remain in limbo? Is the question that remains for the next administration to answer, when the present administration has done nothing to move these laws, when it has the power to do so.
 
Never mind about religious freedom or whether Congress outlawing Sharia Law or not, as such arguments are senseless when I read more about the Sharia Law. There is no place in this world for Sharia Law to have any jurisdiction.

According to the Sharia law:

Theft is punishable by amputation of the right hand (above).
Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
Criticizing or denying Muhammad is a prophet is punishable by death.
Criticizing or denying Allah, the moon god of Islam is punishable by death.
A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death.
A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.:eek:
• Girls’ clitoris should be cut (per Muhammad’s words in Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
• A woman can have 1 husband, but a man can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
• A man can unilaterally divorce his wife but a woman needs her husband’s consent to divorce.
A man can beat his wife for insubordination.
• Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman.
A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
A woman’s testimony in court, allowed only in property cases, carries half the weight of a man’s.
• A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits.
• A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).
• A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
• Meat to be eaten must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be Halal.
Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.

The list goes on. Even as non-Muslims, we will be subjected to the Sharia Law to a certain degree if not fully. For Muslims, they are not subjected to our laws but their own.

I cannot help noticing that among the wars and the persecution of Christians in the Middle East, adding to that the Sharia Law issue in the Western countries…it makes me think that the people fighting for the Sharia Law to take effect are under the influence from the urging of the political parties of the Middle East.

No matter how I try to look at these issues, they always seem bound together like a package. If the Sharia Law is allowed in any country, it will path a way for Islam to enter politics and even dominate the country. The way I see it, the Sharia Law is like dark heavy clouds before a huge storm.

NO to Sharia Law.
Thanks for the clear illustration of Sharia Law:)
 
You have yet to prove anything you have said in this thread. Even when it seems like posters are begging for links to what you are talking about. Please, don’t call me ignorant.

I don’t have a problem with people of different faiths practicing their faith. This country gives people the fundamental right to worship how they see fit.

When you start taking rights away from others, your rights can and will be slowly taken from you.
KendraDZ a good short summary of some of the laws of Sharia by I believe guynextdoor. Lot’s of death and injury happen to those who even mention anything remotely negative about it. The first thing to go is the right of free speech if it get’s a hold of our nation. Then as one poster stated we will be engulfed in a dark, black cloud.
 
KendraDZ a good short summary of some of the laws of Sharia by I believe guynextdoor. Lot’s of death and injury happen to those who even mention anything remotely negative about it. The first thing to go is the right of free speech if it get’s a hold of our nation. Then as one poster stated we will be engulfed in a dark, black cloud.
Not really since what constitutes Sharia actually differs between the two main Islamic faiths (Sunni and Shia) as well as within those two faiths themselves. Let us assume that the Westboro church puts forth a list of Christian laws and requirements that Christians need to live by. Would you claim that this Westboro list represents all Christian laws and requirements that Christians need to live by?
 
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