Sheriff Dupnik's criticism of political 'vitriol' resonates with public

[1voice]

What ever are you talking about? The Dems were being criticized all through the thread for supposedly taking advantage of a political crisis. I said that the GOP did the same. Remember Lee Atwater and the Dirty Tricks Department?

BTW, I’d be not so quick, if I were to you, to assume the role of God.

You are admitting that you are framing a false argument… and ignoring that fact at the same time. That is exactly what conspiracy theorists do.

I am not surprised that you twist and ignore my comment … It doesnt change the fact that pointing fingers is the weakest defense … unless you are in a corner and need to plea bargain. … obviously, your continuing the same argument , using different words of course, reinforces the weakness of your position.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

You are admitting that you are framing a false argument… and ignoring that fact at the same time. That is exactly what conspiracy theorists do.

Oh? What false argument? Am I wrong about both major political parties being capable of taking advantage of crises? Which party is without sin?

 

[James2011]

Here is a blog covering the event that Gilliam has linked to before in the past:

littlegreenfootballs.com/article/37870_What_Violent_Right_Wing_Rhetoric

littlegreenfootballs.com/article/37872_Shooter_Planned_Assassination_Compared_Abortion_to_Terrorism

littlegreenfootballs.com/article/37869_Sarah_Palin_Deleting_Old_Tweets_and_Gunsight_Maps

littlegreenfootballs.com/article/37868_Arizona_Rep._Giffords_Shot_Several_Others_Killed

 

[colmywaykurtz]

The Tea Partyists hated her victory over their candidate. Does anyone see dots to be connected? Just wondering.

That got them squirming, sure enough. Just look at all these hysterical ripostes.

You hit a nerve, for sure, Rich.

 

[bbarrick8383]

Couldn’t be true. Conservatives deny that any of us liberals pray.

Oh c’mon Rich. We know a few of you do. The rest are too smart to pray.

 

[Whitacre_Girl]

That got them squirming, sure enough. Just look at all these hysterical ripostes.

You hit a nerve, for sure, Rich.

Couldn’t be because people are outraged that anyone would use this tragedy to further their political agenda off of unfounded claims based off conjecture and zero fact?

It’s tasteless at best.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

That got them squirming, sure enough. Just look at all these hysterical ripostes.

You hit a nerve, for sure, Rich.

So it seems, and to think that I was getting hit by a few posters as one whom no one takes seriously.

 

[1voice]

Oh? What false argument? Am I wrong about both major political parties being capable of taking advantage of crises? Which party is without sin?

You are painting yourself into a corner.

 

[colmywaykurtz]

Couldn’t be because people are outraged that anyone would use this tragedy to further their political agenda off of unfounded claims based off conjecture and zero fact?

It’s tasteless at best.

I rest my case. He floats a notion, for debate’s sake, and look at the cascade of knee-jerk reactions. The parable of the haybarn and the spark comes to mind.

 

[exoflare]

^^^ Translation: If you don’t reply, you have no answer. If you do reply, it doesn’t even matter what you write it’s still a knee-jerk reaction and therefore proves I’m correct somehow.

Classic progressive “reasoning” at its finest.

 

[Robert_Bay]

WARNING

Either this thread gets back on topic and the insults stop or it is closed

 

[matt1985]

I don’t think that we should do away with free speech becaue of an act of terrorism. That would equate to giving in to terrorists. It is obvious that the man who did this was a lunatic. It has nothing to do with Sara Palin or the tea party.

 

[James2011]

One other thing of interest here: Notice how nobody has accused this guy of terrorism or suggested he be waterboarded, etc. and yet I always remember these things being thrown out there to any person who also committed crimes like these if they were Muslim. The double-standards here are just amazing. And I would hope that we all agree here that this guy was sick in the head no matter what, if it wasn’t the current political discourse which made him snap, no doubt something else would have, yet sick lies thrown around as if they were fact such as our President being a Muslim Manchurian candidate not born in the USA are not exactly gonna make guys like these become a less common problem, now are they?

 

[He_Man]

One other thing of interest here: Notice how nobody has accused this guy of terrorism or suggested he be waterboarded, etc. and yet I always remember these things being thrown out there to any person who also committed crimes like these if they were Muslim. The double-standards here are just amazing. And I would hope that we all agree here that this guy was sick in the head no matter what, if it wasn’t the current political discourse which made him snap, no doubt something else would have, yet sick lies thrown around as if they were fact such as our President being a Muslim Manchurian candidate not born in the USA are not exactly gonna make guys like these become a less common problem, now are they?

That was the most non-specific post on here in awhile. What were you even trying to say?

If you were referring to a water-boarding double standard, you really don’t know what you’re talking about.

The defense for water-boarding is (for those who choose to make it):

• done by the military, on enemy combatants. Not by the Sherrif’s departmnet in Tucson.
• there is vital information we need
• typically done when we are at war

Other than that, they are exactly the same…

 

[OrdinaryMelkite]

While you provide a good list here on insinuation of violence/threats from the other side of the aisle, we don’t know how this person was influenced, and we can’t speculate. To do so is really wrong.

Although I agree that violence and threats is not limited to any party. This was just a desperate and horrific act by a deranged mind.

Agreed, WhitAcre Girl.

 

[OrdinaryMelkite]

Why forcibly? Put the cuffs on him, throw him into the trunk of a car and dump him on the street in front of his home? Not a good idea, I think.

As far as his duties go, he is being assisted by the Arizona Bureau of Investigation and the FBI as well. If he bungles the investigation, then you might consider voting him out of office.

Keep in mind that inflammatory statements by Sheriff Arpaio of Maricopa county, Arizona never got him into trouble.

I think She Meant Something along the lines of “Bring Charges against Him and/or have Him Suspended.”

Come on, Rich.

 

[EmperorNapoleon]

Since this type of political discourse is standard fare in the sites you have linked to I would say yes. Again anybody that thinks political discourse is more harsh now than it was in the past simply has a poor grasp of history.

And I would agree with that. In fact, I’d say that, even now, it’s better than it was earlier in our history. Afterall, we don’t see Congressmen caning eachother on the steps of the Capitol Building anymore. However, what has changed is how the general population reacts to this kind of political “discourse” and the inevitable conseqence of it over the last few years was/is an escalation to violence and politicians and pundits on both sides are responsible for that.

 

[OrdinaryMelkite]

Bingo.

I actually went to his youtube channel yesterday. They guy had some real problems. He rants about literacy, but commits several grammatical (subject verb agreement and so on) errors in his videos. What other things he does post are almost nonsensical.

I wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest if when the dust settles, there was no clear motive just as there is rarely a clear motive in the public shootings that happen across this nation in malls, schools, and parks. The man shot conservatives, liberals, nncoent bystanders…this wasn’t a political assassination, this was an act of violence. I believe the only political part of this was the fact that people injured or killed were political figures.

No one asked the political standing of the Columbine shooters, and I think their political motivations are about as relevant as they are in this case.

He actually had met Jeffords back in 2007, when He attended one of Her Meet-N-Greets.

Did you know He actually tried to ask her a Philosophical Question and became (according to Friends who were there with Him) Angry when she did not know what to say?

“What is the Purpose Of Government If Words Have No Meaning?”
HMMMMMM. May actually ask that at the Philosophy Forum Pretty soon.

VERY Weird of Him to ask that in a Political Meet-N-Greet with His Local CongressWoman, though.

 

[Whitacre_Girl]

I think She Meant Something along the lines of “Bring Charges against Him and/or have Him Suspended.”

Come on, Rich.

Actually even less than that. Just have him taken off the case if he doesn’t step down willfully.

But this is a good reason why I have him on my ignore list. This isn’t the first time he takes what I say out of context and spins it in the worst way possible. Sorry, but Rich, I don’t see what you post unless someone quotes it, so it’s really not worth responding to me. Besides, I’m hardly worth your time.

 

[OrdinaryMelkite]

Actually even less than that. Just have him taken off the case if he doesn’t step down willfully.

But this is a good reason why I have him on my ignore list. This isn’t the first time he takes what I say out of context and spins it in the worst way possible. Sorry, but Rich, I don’t see what you post unless someone quotes it, so it’s really not worth responding to me. Besides, I’m hardly worth your time.