Shocked by Song Choice at Mass

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I’m going to throw this into the discussion: It’s Lent which is a penetential season and in our church we don’t sing a closing hymn and the Priest recesses in silence (I think. maybe it’s the processional that’s not done or maybe both 🤷 ).

But it’s also Sunday which is a mini-Easter. However, alleuias are not prayed/sung.

No answers here. I have a preference which is that the music and other parts of the liturgy reflect the season. I would prefer simpler, if not more somber music.
 
I guess I was just looking for affirmation that “Blessed Be Your Name” was not an appropriate song for Communion time.

I love that song, and it is one of my daughter’s favorites. I just disagree with the timing, shall we say?, of the song.
 
I guess I was just looking for affirmation that “Blessed Be Your Name” was not an appropriate song for Communion time.

I love that song, and it is one of my daughter’s favorites. I just disagree with the timing, shall we say?, of the song.
I agree that it was probably not the right time and place for it. But I think we can agree that it was not forbidden.
 
I just thought that the song was not conducive to the meditative nature that should be cultivated during Communion…
but I guess I am wrong.
NO!!! You are not wrong, don’t give up. Communion is a time of meditation and thanking our Lord. Charitably speak to someone. Once I commented, after Mass, to the music minister (cantor) about the hideous, heretical song (written by a feminist nun), about a “new church”. We never heard it again. 🙂
 
I can see why you object to the raucous nature of the song’s interpretation, but I can also see why the music minister chose it. The text hits home…it describes the sinful soul pretty well.
I don’t disagree with the text (as I stated before, it’s one of my favs), but like you said- it is the raucous nature of the song and the timing.
 
I don’t disagree with the text (as I stated before, it’s one of my favs), but like you said- it is the raucous nature of the song and the timing.
You know…if they would have chosen to interpret the song in a different way, like slower and less percussion instruments, I bet that some serious conversion would have happened! Some music ministers think that a tempo or style is locked into place.

I think you should tell the music minister how it affected you. Chances are the way it affected you is 100 percent contrary to the intent, and I think a good music minister would want to learn from that.
 
I usually adore going to Mass at my parish, and I look forward to Fr. Larry’s sermons.

A few times, however, I have been a little shocked by the song choices/Mass settings. During Lent, we had the very charismatic Jim Cowen Mass (if you have been to Franciscan, you know that Mass setting). Which was a little odd, IMHO, but the Triduum was very reverent and no Cowen.

Yesturday, however, one of the Communion songs was “Blessed Be Your Name”! Some parishioners in the back even started clapping! :eek:

I don’t know how to word my letter to Father, and the Music Minister… any suggestions?
Boy would you be shocked at a mass I have gone to where there is hand clapping galore and hand waving. The priest said his homily and encouraged the people to say AMEN during his homily (Can i hear an AMEN??? and he would chuckle with the response…then every so often someone would break out with an amen out of nowhere) The music was so unnerving, I thought I was at a rock concert—it was VERY loud, as it was amplified as if in a concert.
 
Boy would you be shocked at a mass I have gone to where there is hand clapping galore and hand waving. The priest said his homily and encouraged the people to say AMEN during his homily (Can i hear an AMEN??? and he would chuckle with the response…then every so often someone would break out with an amen out of nowhere) The music was so unnerving, I thought I was at a rock concert—it was VERY loud, as it was amplified as if in a concert.
Hehehe
I am a Charismatic Traditionalist (I unnerve people because I wear my mantilla to Mass, but I am right there with the hands up and the clapping) - so I have no problems with the breaking out with Amens or the hand clapping. My father is a Southern Baptist convert and I was raised in a Charismatic parish, so Amens (though not yelled out) have been heard.
My point is the timing of these songs.
 
You know…if they would have chosen to interpret the song in a different way, like slower and less percussion instruments, I bet that some serious conversion would have happened! Some music ministers think that a tempo or style is locked into place.

I think you should tell the music minister how it affected you. Chances are the way it affected you is 100 percent contrary to the intent, and I think a good music minister would want to learn from that.
I never thought of that. I must mention it.

We did sing “Surely the Presence of the Lord” as the offering song, so this was more of an isolated incident.
 
Hehehe
I am a Charismatic Traditionalist (I unnerve people because I wear my mantilla to Mass, but I am right there with the hands up and the clapping) - so I have no problems with the breaking out with Amens or the hand clapping. My father is a Southern Baptist convert and I was raised in a Charismatic parish, so Amens (though not yelled out) have been heard.
My point is the timing of these songs.
Oh, I see:o well I am all for differences, as long as the mass is basically done the right way—this priest is real good about doing things the right way, it is just I had never been to a mass like that, with all the hollering of Amens—But as he said, Amen just means “I believe” and that IS what we are supposed to do as Catholics, BELIEVE:D
Call me stiff, sorry.😊

i know I went off the subject, sorry…😊 😃

edited: do what sphilomena said----communion should have music conducive to meditation----the concert music I mentioned did not let me meditate either.
 
I read a tagline in a previous poster’s message that said " Joy is not the absence of Sorrow, but the Presence of God." I like that, and it’s fitting here.

There is great sorrow to be felt at the passion of Jesus. However, even more so, and not in contrast with that sorrow, there is great joy! What He did for me on that cross brought about my ability to reconnect with God Himself. His sacrifice is our salvation. Is that not the ultimate cause for joy? Should not the music with which we choose to celebrate His passion reflect the joy that we ought to each feel at this superlative expression of the creator’s love for us?
I think a lot of the music these days is the result of a perceptual thing.

Back in the day, music at Mass tended to be slow, dignified, and, some would say, heavy; in large part this was a reflection of the overwhelming sense of majesty, awe, and yes, even fear at approaching the steps of the throne, upon which sat a Being too hugely vast to contemplate, Who had the power to cast our everlasting souls into hell forever. We loved Him, yes; but we feared and respected Him, too.

After Vatican II, as Pope Benedict and others have observed, “reverence” in Catholic liturgical celebrations pretty much went out the window, as evidenced by parishioners jabbering throughout Mass, the rock band on the stage up front practices hot licks on their electric guitars before Mass (which used to be a time to pray and contemplate on the awe and majesty of the Sacrifice), and things like “polka” Masses and “clown” Masses and whatever novelty happens to be written up in the latest issue of Liturgy Today this month.

There is little fear or awe in these celebrations, and the music reflects this. Why is this?

A lot of it goes back to the godawful lack of catechesis most of us grew up with, when the fundamentals of the Faith were replaced with pop-psychological balderdash like “God is your buddy, and as long as you feel good about yourself, that’s all that matters. Let’s all make a banner!” Instead of reminding kids that there really is a hell that they need to be concerned about, the slant was on sheltering their precious little fragile “self-esteem”, and everything was all supposed to be sweetness and light. Love and grooviness was in, responsibilty and judgement were out.

And are still out. Does anyone think for the slightest instant that if Catholics who support abortion, homosexual marriage, female priests, and all the rest of the current “progressive” agenda, were worried about the very real possibility of facing judegment for these views and ending up in hell, they’d be holding those views?

Of course not. “Hell” was done away with, remember? You even have priests who dismiss the idea. There is no hell, there are no mortal sins, the devil is just an abstraction, and God will never judge you, because after all, He’s your “buddy”.

And this is why we walk into Mass laughing and calling out to our pals halfway across the church, dressed in sleeveless t-shirts and flip-flops, getting ready to sing drivel like “Sing to the Mountains, Sing to the Sea” or “Lord of the Dance” instead of slowly progressing into the church in silence, out of dread and awe and respect for the Being Who dwells there and holds our very existance in His hand, our dress and manner likewise showing that same respect, and preparing ourselves to sing worship songs such as “Praise to the Holy Trinity” or “To God Almighty We Confess”.

Such songs today are sniffed at and haughtily dismissed as “triumphalism”. After all, in the spirit of ecumenism, even the King of the Universe must be dumbed down enough to where He doesn’t “offend” anybody, isn’t that right?
 
I think a lot of the music these days is the result of a perceptual thing.

Back in the day, music at Mass tended to be slow, dignified, and, some would say, heavy; in large part this was a reflection of the overwhelming sense of majesty, awe, and yes, even fear at approaching the steps of the throne, upon which sat a Being too hugely vast to contemplate, Who had the power to cast our everlasting souls into hell forever. We loved Him, yes; but we feared and respected Him, too.

After Vatican II, as Pope Benedict and others have observed, “reverence” in Catholic liturgical celebrations pretty much went out the window, as evidenced by parishioners jabbering throughout Mass, the rock band on the stage up front practices hot licks on their electric guitars before Mass (which used to be a time to pray and contemplate on the awe and majesty of the Sacrifice), and things like “polka” Masses and “clown” Masses and whatever novelty happens to be written up in the latest issue of Liturgy Today this month.

There is little fear or awe in these celebrations, and the music reflects this. Why is this?

A lot of it goes back to the godawful lack of catechesis most of us grew up with, when the fundamentals of the Faith were replaced with pop-psychological balderdash like “God is your buddy, and as long as you feel good about yourself, that’s all that matters. Let’s all make a banner!” Instead of reminding kids that there really is a hell that they need to be concerned about, the slant was on sheltering their precious little fragile “self-esteem”, and everything was all supposed to be sweetness and light. Love and grooviness was in, responsibilty and judgement were out.

And are still out. Does anyone think for the slightest instant that if Catholics who support abortion, homosexual marriage, female priests, and all the rest of the current “progressive” agenda, were worried about the very real possibility of facing judegment for these views and ending up in hell, they’d be holding those views?

Of course not. “Hell” was done away with, remember? You even have priests who dismiss the idea. There is no hell, there are no mortal sins, the devil is just an abstraction, and God will never judge you, because after all, He’s your “buddy”.

And this is why we walk into Mass laughing and calling out to our pals halfway across the church, dressed in sleeveless t-shirts and flip-flops, getting ready to sing drivel like “Sing to the Mountains, Sing to the Sea” or “Lord of the Dance” instead of slowly progressing into the church in silence, out of dread and awe and respect for the Being Who dwells there and holds our very existance in His hand, our dress and manner likewise showing that same respect, and preparing ourselves to sing worship songs such as “Praise to the Holy Trinity” or “To God Almighty We Confess”.

Such songs today are sniffed at and haughtily dismissed as “triumphalism”. After all, in the spirit of ecumenism, even the King of the Universe must be dumbed down enough to where He doesn’t “offend” anybody, isn’t that right?
I agree 100% with your post. Most of the time, our organ player will play an appropriate hymn quietly in the background during Holy Communion. I much prefer this to trying to reflect on receiving the Lord, and to sing at the same time. It seems to me, more appropriate that singing “Peace is flowing like a river” or some other jibberish.
 
I don’t know…I guess that’s why it’s a good thing that there are different parishes with different modes of expression.

As a music minister, my job is to ensure that everyone feels welcome, that everyone gets to worship in the way that makes them comfortable. But quite honestly, this is a difficult task. I have to agree with an earlier poster who said that quiet contemplation is probably better had in an Adoration chapel.

I can’t ignore that the liturgy documents say that the concept of unity in the Sacrament is important. They do not say that it’s a time of quiet contemplation. Being One in the Body is a very happy thing.

"The eye cannot say to the hand, “I do not need you,” nor again the head to the feet, “I do not need you.”

Indeed, the parts of the body that seem to be weaker are all the more necessary, and those parts of the body that we consider less honorable we surround with greater honor, and our less presentable parts are treated with greater propriety,

whereas our more presentable parts do not need this. But God has so constructed the body as to give greater honor to a part that is without it, so that there may be no division in the body, but that the parts may have the same concern for one another.

If (one) part suffers, all the parts suffer with it; if one part is honored, all the parts share its joy."

I Corinthians 12:21-26

Traditionalists, we need you. We need to be infected with your sense of reverence and awe for the majesty of Almighty God.

On the other hand, I would submit that you Traditionalists need us post V2-ers. You need our joy, our comfort with the presence of the Living God, the God of the poor and the sinner.

Can’t we all just get along?
 
I don’t know…I guess that’s why it’s a good thing that there are different parishes with different modes of expression.

As a music minister, my job is to ensure that everyone feels welcome, that everyone gets to worship in the way that makes them comfortable. But quite honestly, this is a difficult task. I have to agree with an earlier poster who said that quiet contemplation is probably better had in an Adoration chapel.

I can’t ignore that the liturgy documents say that the concept of unity in the Sacrament is important. They do not say that it’s a time of quiet contemplation. Being One in the Body is a very happy thing.

"The eye cannot say to the hand, “I do not need you,” nor again the head to the feet, “I do not need you.”

Indeed, the parts of the body that seem to be weaker are all the more necessary, and those parts of the body that we consider less honorable we surround with greater honor, and our less presentable parts are treated with greater propriety,

whereas our more presentable parts do not need this. But God has so constructed the body as to give greater honor to a part that is without it, so that there may be no division in the body, but that the parts may have the same concern for one another.

If (one) part suffers, all the parts suffer with it; if one part is honored, all the parts share its joy."

I Corinthians 12:21-26

Traditionalists, we need you. We need to be infected with your sense of reverence and awe for the majesty of Almighty God.

On the other hand, I would submit that you Traditionalists need us post V2-ers. You need our joy, our comfort with the presence of the Living God, the God of the poor and the sinner.

Can’t we all just get along?
GREAT POST.

Notice a trend here? Those of us who work full time in administering the liturgy seem to agree that communion is not a time for adoration. Maybe we know something you don’t!
 
Traditionalists, we need you. We need to be infected with your sense of reverence and awe for the majesty of Almighty God.

On the other hand, I would submit that you Traditionalists need us post V2-ers. You need our joy, our comfort with the presence of the Living God, the God of the poor and the sinner.

Can’t we all just get along?
Here’s the only part I’d like to question.

Is it only “traditionalists” who have reverence and awe? I.E. those who want the latin mass?

What are “traditionalists” and “post V2-ers”?

We are ONE CHURCH. All I know how to be is Catholic. I’m not a “liberal”, a “Vatican II Catholic”, a “traditionalist”, etc.
 
Here’s the only part I’d like to question.

Is it only “traditionalists” who have reverence and awe? I.E. those who want the latin mass?

What are “traditionalists” and “post V2-ers”?

We are ONE CHURCH. All I know how to be is Catholic. I’m not a “liberal”, a “Vatican II Catholic”, a “traditionalist”, etc.
You raise an excellent question. I am in love with the Novus Ordo, and I feel awe and reverence every Sunday.

You are right…we are One Church. Hence my rationale for posting Corinthians 12.
 
GREAT POST.

Notice a trend here? Those of us who work full time in administering the liturgy seem to agree that communion is not a time for adoration. Maybe we know something you don’t!
We have just received the God who created the universe, our beloved, and it’s not time to adore Him? :confused: What would you do if Jesus appeared before you? After Communion He is even closer to us than that. And sorry, but what is “administering the liturgy”? I think the problem may be what kind of “workshops” and instruction are being provided for lay people.
 
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