Shocking Classes from Sisters of St. Joseph!

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Hi Jen,
That is unfortunate that you found this new age garbage in a Catholic Church of all places! That is one of the many bitter fruits of Vatican ll. Anyway, have you considered bringing this problem to the Bishop? Canon law gives the laity permission to bring their grievances to the Church. This would be a just and proper action. And if the Bishop will not listen to you, then bring it to the Pope. I have a friend who did this and it worked wonders. Take care.
 
I checked their order out on line …They look like they are good women

I think they are trying to market themselves ina trendy manner, which I personally feel sends a wrong impression

But hey ,they have been around longer than I have ,and God willing will be going strong after I am gone

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Greetings~

I was at church today and picked up a pamphlet from the Wisdom Ways Center for Spirituality, a ministry of The Sisters of St. Joseph of Carondelet.
I was completely shocked to see the classes being offered, To name a few: Energetic Awareness:The Leading Edge, The Generosity of the Sun- New Universe Story, and Rituals to Mark the Seasons, which features “prayer, ritual and tea”

Such classes are being given by “intuitive holistic energy healers”, teachers well-versed in ‘earth-based and Celtic spiritual tradions’. and people who have a psychology degree or the equivalent.

Now let me just say that there were many classes that appeared to be Catholic. But how does one know if these people or their teachings are even really Catholic when they offer these kinds of classes? I’d love to take one of the classes they offer, which appears to be formed of Catholic teaching, but how can I be sure?

And what the heck was this doing in my churchs’ narthex?
Opinions? Insights? Am I being silly?
In Christ,
Jen
RUN to your nearest SSPX chapel!!
 
The sisters from this site? csjla.org/default.aspx

I would doubt a group like this would be leading people astray.

What did you expect from them for classes?
Greetings~

I was at church today and picked up a pamphlet from the Wisdom Ways Center for Spirituality, a ministry of The Sisters of St. Joseph of Carondelet.
I was completely shocked to see the classes being offered, To name a few: Energetic Awareness:The Leading Edge, The Generosity of the Sun- New Universe Story, and Rituals to Mark the Seasons, which features “prayer, ritual and tea”

Such classes are being given by “intuitive holistic energy healers”, teachers well-versed in ‘earth-based and Celtic spiritual tradions’. and people who have a psychology degree or the equivalent.

Now let me just say that there were many classes that appeared to be Catholic. But how does one know if these people or their teachings are even really Catholic when they offer these kinds of classes? I’d love to take one of the classes they offer, which appears to be formed of Catholic teaching, but how can I be sure?

And what the heck was this doing in my churchs’ narthex?
Opinions? Insights? Am I being silly?
In Christ,
Jen
 
I currently attend a (pseudo-) Catholic university sponsored by the Sisters of St. Joseph Carondolet. I am not surprised to read about your experience. From my limited exposure to the CSJ, it sounds pretty typical.
 
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Me friends,

:shamrock2: My old Irish Gradnpa used to say (may he rest in peace);

'If you don’t look for trouble your much less likely to find it:irish2:

I find myself both amused and confused with this thread:shrug:

As a STRONG advocate of Chrsitian Charity, I am thankful for the defense of these “good nuns” but at the same time confused that we are going so far out of the way, to defend practices, that clearly are neither Catholic, or even Christian. They are “New-Age”

Before you correct me, yes, I have have first hand experience with nuns of this elk. They are far more in need of our prayers, than support of what you think they mean. The OP had it correct the first time.:signofcross: :gopray2:
 
Greetings~

I was at church today and picked up a pamphlet from the Wisdom Ways Center for Spirituality, a ministry of The Sisters of St. Joseph of Carondelet.
I was completely shocked to see the classes being offered, To name a few: Energetic Awareness:The Leading Edge, The Generosity of the Sun- New Universe Story, and Rituals to Mark the Seasons, which features “prayer, ritual and tea”

Such classes are being given by “intuitive holistic energy healers”, teachers well-versed in ‘earth-based and Celtic spiritual tradions’. and people who have a psychology degree or the equivalent.

Now let me just say that there were many classes that appeared to be Catholic. But how does one know if these people or their teachings are even really Catholic when they offer these kinds of classes? I’d love to take one of the classes they offer, which appears to be formed of Catholic teaching, but how can I be sure?

And what the heck was this doing in my churchs’ narthex?
Opinions? Insights? Am I being silly?
In Christ,
Jen
I have not heard about this new teaching by Catholic nuns on the generosity of the sun.
 
Not surprised! This order of nuns went from being one the most strictest and diciplined to the most outrageous and liberal. I think it’s time to suppress this order and others like it.
Greetings~

I was at church today and picked up a pamphlet from the Wisdom Ways Center for Spirituality, a ministry of The Sisters of St. Joseph of Carondelet.
I was completely shocked to see the classes being offered, To name a few: Energetic Awareness:The Leading Edge, The Generosity of the Sun- New Universe Story, and Rituals to Mark the Seasons, which features “prayer, ritual and tea”

Such classes are being given by “intuitive holistic energy healers”, teachers well-versed in ‘earth-based and Celtic spiritual tradions’. and people who have a psychology degree or the equivalent.

Now let me just say that there were many classes that appeared to be Catholic. But how does one know if these people or their teachings are even really Catholic when they offer these kinds of classes? I’d love to take one of the classes they offer, which appears to be formed of Catholic teaching, but how can I be sure?

And what the heck was this doing in my churchs’ narthex?
Opinions? Insights? Am I being silly?
In Christ,
Jen
 
Actually, when we were founded in France in 1650, we were told to “blend in with the people”, not to call attention to ourselves, by dressing like the common widow. The distinguishing mark of the Sister of St. Joseph, besides “gentleness, peace, and joy”, “humility and charity”, and “great love of God and the Dear neighbor without distinction” was to be the ebony and brass crucifix that we were to wear (which I DO wear).

Anyway, you must be careful of the habit argument, because, while the habit can be a wonderful witness, many congregations NEVER wore a habit, or were originally founded not to do so. Also, when the habit becomes a source of pride or vanity (which, unfortunately can happen sometimes), it totally defeats its purpose.

Wearing a habit does not always equal orthodoxy (i.e. Thomas Merton wore a habit) and not wearing a habit does not have to mean lack of orthodoxy or being less-a-religious than the next nun.

God Bless!
Thank you for your instructive post, that was very interesting. Many of us probably assume that wearing ordinary clothes is a more modern custom, that was certainly my impression.
 
Actually, when we were founded in France in 1650, we were told to “blend in with the people”, not to call attention to ourselves, by dressing like the common widow. The distinguishing mark of the Sister of St. Joseph, besides “gentleness, peace, and joy”, “humility and charity”, and “great love of God and the Dear neighbor without distinction” was to be the ebony and brass crucifix that we were to wear (which I DO wear).

Anyway, you must be careful of the habit argument, because, while the habit can be a wonderful witness, many congregations NEVER wore a habit, or were originally founded not to do so. Also, when the habit becomes a source of pride or vanity (which, unfortunately can happen sometimes), it totally defeats its purpose.

Wearing a habit does not always equal orthodoxy (i.e. Thomas Merton wore a habit) and not wearing a habit does not have to mean lack of orthodoxy or being less-a-religious than the next nun.

God Bless!
Hmmm … methinks that’s a bit defensive, particularly when my original remark was (emphasis added)
… post-conciliar “no-habit” or “mini-habit” …
There are, of course, quite a number of different groups that use “SSJ” all of which claim descent from Le Puy, although each became a separate and independent congregation. Which means those in the US (at least) do not take solemn vows, and it seems, therefore, more appropriate to refer to members as “religious sisters” rather than “nuns” in the true canonical sense. Not that it makes much difference, but it’s not particularly clear to which congregation you belong.

In any case, from what I’ve seen, yes, indeed, it appears that all of the various SSJ groups did, in fact, wear a habit. At least that was so in pre-conciliar days. Granted, wearing a habit does not automatically equate to orthodoxy, but it does witness to tradition. And it much less likely that those who wear the habit and follow the conventual rule would be “innovative.” Yes there was Merton, but while not exactly unique, he was an oddity. The “innovative” religious that I’ve encountered over these many years invariably ripped the habit off at the first possible moment.

IMO, it seems a bit disingenuous to say that abandoning the habit is the intent of the founders. Taking Le Puy as the start point, it seems that the habit survived for 300+ years.
 
Hmmm … methinks that’s a bit defensive, particularly when my original remark was (emphasis added) There are, of course, quite a number of different groups that use “SSJ” all of which claim descent from Le Puy, although each became a separate and independent congregation. Which means those in the US (at least) do not take solemn vows, and it seems, therefore, more appropriate to refer to members as “religious sisters” rather than “nuns” in the true canonical sense. Not that it makes much difference, but it’s not particularly clear to which congregation you belong.

In any case, from what I’ve seen, yes, indeed, it appears that all of the various SSJ groups did, in fact, wear a habit. At least that was so in pre-conciliar days. Granted, wearing a habit does not automatically equate to orthodoxy, but it does witness to tradition. And it much less likely that those who wear the habit and follow the conventual rule would be “innovative.” Yes there was Merton, but while not exactly unique, he was an oddity. The “innovative” religious that I’ve encountered over these many years invariably ripped the habit off at the first possible moment.

IMO, it seems a bit disingenuous to say that abandoning the habit is the intent of the founders. Taking Le Puy as the start point, it seems that the habit survived for 300+ years.
Not defensive, just trying to educate the general public. 👍

AND, yes, you ARE correct that all SSJ congregations wore a habit at some point, I’m simply saying that this was not the case in our original foundation, and that we were instructed to blend in with the people in our original documents (did you know that we were originally intended to be a “secret society” of sorts?). What came to be the SSJ habit over time DID draw on that original 1600s dress of the common widow (black “dress”, veil, etc) and in my humble opinion, the SSJ habit was the most beautiful habit out there. HOWEVER, that does not change the fact that a “habit” was NOT part of our original SSJ life.

Of course, by the time of what we consider to be our “second founding” in Lyon by Mother St. John Fontbonne, the “habit” HAD already become a reality and the Sisters loved it very much and were thrilled to be able to wear it again after not having been allowed to do so under Robespierre’s regime…some of our Sisters were even martyred.

You are correct that many congregations ceased to wear distinctive dress after Vatican II, but I am correct in that not all congregations wore or were intended to wear it in the first place. Please believe me, I’ve studied our documents extensively. It was, of course, not the original intent of the founders that our Sisters “abandon the habit”, as you say, because there was not a habit originally. And, obviously, the founders could not have predicted how things would develop over time, that we would eventually adopt a habit, and that most would eventually cease to wear it.

I am also correct in suggesting that “the habit does not make the religious”…when in Rome, I was very poorly treated by some men and women who wore the habit…does this make the habit bad? NO, of course not, but neither did its wearing miraculously transform nasty people into good people. While in NYC for Pope Benedict’s visit last year, I saw a group of habited Sisters jumping up and down on the bleacher seats, hooting and hollering; many (even most) would consider this to be entirely inappropriate behavior for a religious…again, the habit did not transform them into appropriately acting religious women.

You are also correct in suggesting that there IS a difference canonically between “nuns” and “Sisters”, but it is also true that most people, even those of us in religious life, popularly use the terms interchangably.

I agree with you that it makes no difference to which SSJ congregation I belong; whether it is the most seemingly new age or the most seemingly orthodox, I’m simply saying that NOT ALL SSJs are like that. You must know that MANY Sisters in congregations that seem to have taken the neo-pantheistic direction are simply devastated; they are powerless to change things alone, and live lives as dedicated, devoted religious who give their lives in service of Christ and the Church.

I could be entirely wrong, but it feels like you are attacking me and that you are perhaps the defensive one in this conversation; if I am wrong in this estimation I apologize; if I am correct, I simply remind you that I am stating the facts of our origins and practices in an attempt to help people make educated arguments…the “be leery of them if they don’t wear a habit” argument is widely made, but is also inaccurate.

God bless.
 
Not defensive, just trying to educate the general public. 👍

AND, yes, you ARE correct that all SSJ congregations wore a habit at some point, I’m simply saying that this was not the case in our original foundation, and that we were instructed to blend in with the people in our original documents (did you know that we were originally intended to be a “secret society” of sorts?). What came to be the SSJ habit over time DID draw on that original 1600s dress of the common widow (black “dress”, veil, etc) and in my humble opinion, the SSJ habit was the most beautiful habit out there. HOWEVER, that does not change the fact that a “habit” was NOT part of our original SSJ life.

Of course, after what we consider to be our “second founding” in Lyon by Mother St. John Fontbonne, the “habit” was a reality and the Sisters loved it very much and were thrilled to be able to wear it again after not having been allowed to do so under Robespierre’s regime…some of our Sisters were even martyred.

You are correct that the many congregations ceased to wear distinctive dress after Vatican II, but I am correct in that not all congregations wore or were intended to wear one. Please believe me, I’ve studied our documents extensively.
Undoubtedly you are better versed in the history of the original SSJ than I, so there is nothing to argue there. At the same time, you yourself admit that after the “2nd founding” the habit came to worn. And I believe it is also true that the adapted constitutions for establishment in the US, included the habit. Due to that “2nd founding,” and furthered by the establishment of the various independent congregations, I find it a bit of a stretch to say that any of the extant congregations are the direct heir to Le Puy.
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SisterSnowflake:
You are also correct in suggesting that there IS a difference canonically between “nuns” and “Sisters”, but it is also true that most people, even those of us in religious life, popularly use the terms interchangably.
I’m born and bred in the US, and until the post-conciliar era, I did the same. That’s when I came to know the difference, and since then I try to be as specific as possible.
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SisterSnowflake:
I agree with you that it makes no difference to which SSJ congregation I belong; whether it is the most seemingly new age or the most seemingly orthodox, I’m simply saying that NOT ALL SSJs are like that. You must know that MANY Sisters in congregations that seem to have taken the neo-pantheistic direction are simply devastated; they are powerless to change things alone, and live lives as dedicated, devoted religious who give their lives in service of Christ and the Church.
I really wasn’t trying to say that all SSJ congregations subscribe to the sort of tripe that the OP mentioned. But for those who feel they are “trapped,” keep in mind that there is always the option of appeal to the bishop to be released to another congregation (or Order) that may be more suitable to their spiritual needs.
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SisterSnowflake:
I could be entirely wrong, but it feels like you are attacking me and that you are perhaps the defensive one in this conversation; if I am wrong in this estimation I apologize; if I am correct, I simply remind you that I am stating the facts of our origins and practices.
As far as I’m concerned, you took it the wrong way. No, I’m certainly not “attacking” you. My point in the beginning was simply to comment that the congregation promoting what the OP posted was most likely not one that adhered to its habit, traditional or otherwise. In the end, apparently we agree on that much. 🙂
 
My advice is to fly like the wind and take your friends with you. I am curious to know how much they were charging for this nonsense. These nuns are probably looking for a way to make money since their membership is way down. The best way to stop it is for you and your parish to refuse to attend. These new-agers will go away as soon as they stop making a profit.
 
Of course there is nothing wrong with a religious sister getting a psychology degree and teaching psychology and pyschological techniques. There is nothing inherently wrong with her presenting these within a Catholic framework. One would hope that she does. Moreover, sometimes “Celtic spiritual traditions” is just a fancy way of now, both in and outside Christianity. Spirituality has its fads, too, just like restaurant menus. We, especially, live in an age of such fads.

I know little about “Celtic spiritual traditions”, except that they are the “grandchildren” of the Druid spirituality & I want nothing to do with that. I googled & found a site which makes the proponents of Celtic Spiritual Traditions sound like the druggie flower children of the 60’s. To the OP., I’d just inform my pastor about them & then, as one poster has already said…run, don’t walk…away@@
 
As someone who once attended Celtic and Nordic circles, being involved with a very liberal Episcopal church, I can say that you must RUN!!! Show your priest what was left in the narthex.

I checked the Wisdom Way website- everything made me raise my eyebrows. What especially bothered me was the sponsorship of the ELCA’s Celtic and Nordic worship services. I feel that it is just a fusion of liberal Catholicism with New Age/Neopagan.

And that is how we get pulled into all things evil. When we think it’s okay to mix Catholicism with the New Age.

Please pray for these Sisters.

:eek:
 
The nuns in my Catholic School were very…orthodox when I was gowing up (the typical “Mary missed Mass and was hit by a bus and went straight to Hell” kind).

Recently, I found out they put a “meditation maze / labrynth” in one of their convet grounds and are sponsoring more workshops like the one the OP mentioned. 😦 Although I’m glad they’re not teaching superstitious nonsense anymore, I’m not happpy to hear about this new new-age spirituality, either.

Edited to add: they’re not Sisters of St. Joseph.
 
Hopefully the Vatican’s investigation of religious life will lead them to this.

 
“intuitive holistic energy healers”, ?

I think I’ll stick with asking Our Lady of Lourdes to pray for me if I’m in need of healing.🙂
 
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