Shooting, Explosion Reported in Paris

[oldcatholicguy]

If you spent as much time researching the staggering levels of violence and human rights abuses faced by non-Christians at the hands of Christians as you do making excuses and trying to minimize it then you would also reach the conclusion that Christian extremism is just as dangerous as ISIS.

Define Christian extremism.

 

[EmperorNapoleon]

Out of line again, if one points out facts and there is no shortage of people who say the Middle East is on fire, again, an ad hom attack, I am smearing people. :tsktsk:

Furthermore, I say, talking about “perceived” Christian abuses and bringing it into a thread about an ISIS attack is just a diversion.

And yes, if one is actually bringing Christianity into a thread, it is to compare them to ISIS, I think that is quite unkind.

I am sorry if one has problems with free speech, perhaps discussion forums are not their cup of tea.

The problem isn’t free speech. The problem is you lobbing accusations and when challenged declaring the subject off-topic. BTW - I think the people of Africa regard being butchered by roving Christian militias to be more than mere perception. But, maybe you’re right. Maybe the next time a Muslim falls off a truck evacuating tens of thousands a Christian mob wont slice his hands and genitals off. Then again, if they shower the same so-called Christian charity I’ve seen in this thread upon him, he should still be in fear of his life.

 

[Path_Finder]

The problem isn’t free speech. The problem is you lobbing accusations and when challenged declaring the subject off-topic. BTW - I think the people of Africa regard being butchered by roving Christian militias to be more than mere perception. But, maybe you’re right. Maybe the next time a Muslim falls off a truck evacuating tens of thousands a Christian mob wont slice his hands and genitals off. Then again, if they shower the same so-called Christian charity I’ve seen in this thread upon him, he should still be in fear of his life.

Again, this ruse we have seen before, thread about ISIS, bring Christianity into it.

Also, nothing has been provided per

Christian Extremism
The so-called damage by Christians vs. ISIS.

So we will await for this.

Lobbing what exactly? Nigeria and all of those countries ARE under siege. I find this as the quote you cited and I don’t see where it is in era.

I keep up with events in Africa and the Middle East and so on.-

 

[EmperorNapoleon]

Again, this ruse we have seen before, thread about ISIS, bring Christianity into it.

Also, nothing has been provided per

Christian Extremism
The so-called damage by Christians vs. ISIS.

So we will await for this.

Have you suddenly decided it’s on-topic?

 

[Landon_Caeli]

It does little good to discuss with radical secular idealogues on anything that deals with one religion being better or worse than another. To the secular extremist, all religions must be equal. Its a terrible shame.

 

[EmperorNapoleon]

It does little good to discuss with radical secular idealogues on anything that deals with one religion being better or worse than another. To the secular extremist, all religions must be equal. Its a terrible shame.

Religious extremism is a cancer that goes bone deep in some parts of the world. Some of those parts are Christian, some Muslim, some Jewish, some Hindu, a rare few Buddhist. They are all equal in that none are immune to murderous fanaticism, but some are given more media attention in the West than others.

 

[graciew]

It does little good to discuss with radical secular idealogues on anything that deals with one religion being better or worse than another. To the secular extremist, all religions must be equal. Its a terrible shame.

For the Father of Lies we are all trash,all of us. We are the territory over which the battle against our Creator is held. The Evil one knows Our Father loves us all. He hurts Him through us We are to be our brothers’ keepers.
All this labeling is pointless. For me…

 

[oldcatholicguy]

The problem isn’t free speech. The problem is you lobbing accusations and when challenged declaring the subject off-topic. BTW - I think the people of Africa regard being butchered by roving Christian militias to be more than mere perception. But, maybe you’re right. Maybe the next time a Muslim falls off a truck evacuating tens of thousands a Christian mob wont slice his hands and genitals off. Then again, if they shower the same so-called Christian charity I’ve seen in this thread upon him, he should still be in fear of his life.

The conflict in CAR is a great example to use when countering such arguments as- “well Christians don’t do bad things like Muslims do”, “well Christians just did bad things in the past”, “Christians are always the good guys/victims”, etc. Not so much in terms of using it as an example of Christian extremism. It’s not because the conflict in CAR is ethnic/tribal based, not religious based. Same as what went on in Iraq between the fall of Saddam and the rise of ISIS and the same as what was going on in Syria prior to the arrival of ISIS and other foreign Islamic extremist groups.

An actual example of Christian extremism would be the various extremist groups within the US that base their extremism on their own twisted version of Christianity (such as various sub-groups of the KKK, groups within the white racist movement, and certain anti-government groups). As horrible as these groups are, they don’t actually compare well with ISIS. They don’t compare well because as bad as these groups are, they lack the institutionalized and systemized open usage of violence against non-member groups that ISIS has. Even the Nazis (the historical “these are the worst people ever” group) hid their institutionalized and systemized usage of violence from the world.

 

[Robert_Bay]

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[TaurusRex]

Re: [BREAKING]. Shooting, Explosion Reported in Paris

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But they are not commands and for Jews and Christians we must follow the commandment thou shall not kill.

Actually the commandemnt is ‘thou shalt not murder’ I agree that Islam has sadly developed in many areas in a direction that seems to be stuck at the level of conflict we experienced between various forms of Christianity some centuries ago and has not seemed to be able to pass by that as of yet and that also a simplistic mentality of blaming that amorphous entity ‘the west’ in a generalised and non particular manner does seem to resonate in the middle east and other areas.

Actually this is difficult and I do wish the Catholic Church were more clear because according to Wiki the Roman Catholic fifth commandment is stated: “You shall not kill”:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_doctrine_regarding_the_Ten_Commandments

Fifth commandment[edit]
“You shall not kill.”

The fifth commandment according to the Catechism of the Catholic Church

This commandment demands respect for human life and is more accurately translated as “thou shalt not murder.” Indeed, killing may, under limited circumstances, be justified within Catholicism. Jesus expanded it to prohibit unjust anger, hatred and vengeance, and to require Christians to love their enemies

However, as can be seen immediately above, there is clarification that the fifth commandment is more accurately stated: “thou shalt not murder”;
But is that clarification by wiki or by the RCC?

It certainly makes a difference because not kill can even mean we should all be vegetarians.
Whereas “not murder” implies that lawful or justifiable homicide can be used by our lawful military to send massed murdering terrorists to meet their Maker if there is no other way …
of course without malice of forethought so keep smiling.

Wow
it’s not easy to be Catholic. :blushing:

rex

 

[didymus]

Video: Soccer Fans Sing ‘La Marseillaise’ During Stadium Evacuation

Paris attacks came hours after Obama declared Islamic State ‘contained’

 

[Theo520]

Which video or cartoon caused this justified demonstration and attack?

We need to get to the root cause,
and put the responsible cartoonists and video producers IN JAIL!!!

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[_Abyssinia]

Paris attacker posed as “Refugee”, entered via Greece in October

macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/28388/2/

 

[gilliam]

Muslim leaders in the United States are condemning the attacks In Paris and offering condolences and prayers for the people of France.

Nihad Awad, the executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations said “we are revolted by this heinous and despicable attack on civilian populations.”

He says the Islamic State group, which claimed responsibility for the attacks that killed at least 129, “does not represent Muslims.”

Oussama Jammal of the U.S. Council of Muslim Organizations called on the American Muslim community to hold candlelight vigils to remember the victims.

Imam Johari Abdul-Malik of the Muslim Alliance in North America called on Muslims to “redouble our efforts in vigilance and confronting extremism.”

bigstory.ap.org/article/2fa6e8272adb40f5a760010a1dfaca38/latest-france-mobilizes-1500-soldiers

 

[Darryl1958]

We have been through this before and I think, the fact, this has been mentioned before means some obscure group in Uganda possibly, the Lord’s Army which certainly is a hybrid faith outfit or some extremists in India may have done something at one point. 3

It really is an insult to one’s intelligence and I would say one would have quite a bit of animosity to even tell people these things.

Still waiting how the murder rate of Christian Extremists and those of Extremists of other religions are comparable.

It is quite a disrespectful argument when there are pressing matters, where over a hundred people die every day in Syria, where planes are shot down, the Paris and Beirut attacks but it will make some people happy to say, “Oh look, there are Christian Extremists as well.” A rather ignominious statement to me.

There is of course no Lord’s Army in Paris. It is a local thing confined to the jungles of an isolated people with no global influence whatsoever.
The Islamist movement is global. It is capable of exerting its influence virtually anywhere in the world today. The cells are all local, but the goals and the aims are not. The funding is global as well, and fueled with a never ending supply of petro-dollars.
It is mainly an academic argument whether Islamism is the authentic version of Islam, or whether it it is a modern day perversion of the ancient teaching. In truth, it involves both elements.
What is not academic is the real damage it is doing to the world globally right now. It is essentially nihilistic to point one’s fingers at Christians as a response to what just happened in Paris.
Of course, as the most famous atheist of all time prophetically noted, with the death of God in Western society, nihilism looms large.

 

[Darryl1958]

Muslim leaders in the United States are condemning the attacks In Paris and offering condolences and prayers for the people of France.

Nihad Awad, the executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations said “we are revolted by this heinous and despicable attack on civilian populations.”

He says the Islamic State group, which claimed responsibility for the attacks that killed at least 129, “does not represent Muslims.”

Oussama Jammal of the U.S. Council of Muslim Organizations called on the American Muslim community to hold candlelight vigils to remember the victims.

Imam Johari Abdul-Malik of the Muslim Alliance in North America called on Muslims to “redouble our efforts in vigilance and confronting extremism.”

bigstory.ap.org/article/2fa6e8272adb40f5a760010a1dfaca38/latest-france-mobilizes-1500-soldiers

CAIR is an Islamist organization. The degrees of separation between CAIR and the Islamists in IS border on negligible.

 

[Path_Finder]

bnonews.com/news/index.php/news/id2570

Breaking

Reuters, Eiffel Tower Area Being Evacuated… this is all bad.

Heavily Armed Police at a nearby hotel. Pullman hotel.

It sounds like the Tower has been closed until further notice

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A new source of news, I don’t know much about these people. If Reuters reports it, it should have a reasonable competency. Early reports.

 

[Trader]

Muslim leaders in the United States are condemning the attacks In Paris and offering condolences and prayers for the people of France.

Nihad Awad, the executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations said “we are revolted by this heinous and despicable attack on civilian populations.”

He says the Islamic State group, which claimed responsibility for the attacks that killed at least 129, “does not represent Muslims.”

Oussama Jammal of the U.S. Council of Muslim Organizations called on the American Muslim community to hold candlelight vigils to remember the victims.

Imam Johari Abdul-Malik of the Muslim Alliance in North America called on Muslims to “redouble our efforts in vigilance and confronting extremism.”

bigstory.ap.org/article/2fa6e8272adb40f5a760010a1dfaca38/latest-france-mobilizes-1500-soldiers

This is a good start, IF it is followed by Muslims going to police when other Muslims are using mosques and other organization to incite violence. Many terrorist attacks could be stopped with actions, not condemnations after the fact. The Unabomber was caught because his own brother recognized that wrong is wrong even if it is done by someone you care for.

 

[Path_Finder]

Thank you friend!

 

[Path_Finder]

‘All clear’ given at Paris hotel near Eiffel Tower, cordon lifted - reports

Fox News producer Heather Lacy, who is at the Pullman hotel near the Eiffel Tower, says the all clear has been given after a massive security operation got underway. “Pullman workers say nothing happened. Police cleared some room. Now giving all clear,” Lacy wrote on Twitter. The Reuters news agency added that a cordon outside the hotel had been lifted.

bnonews.com/news/index.php/news/id2574

I need to check out of here, thank goodness, it sounds like the alert is over.