Shooting, Explosion Reported in Paris

[7_Sorrows]

That’s why we need verification.

Game, set, match.

 

[Landon_Caeli]

No, we create threads to cover the off topic issue if we feel strongly about. Otherwise we let it go and stay on topic.

I don’t know what that means, but if any of the attackers were refugees, and it were my country, I would start thinking about closing the borders to refugees.

 

[SHANTARAM]

You can’t be pro-refugee one minute and then anti-terror attack the next. The one leads inexorably to the other. The attacks in France are the culmination and apotheosis of multiculturalism–the condescending attitude that culture is meaningless, that vast moral and ethnic differences can be summed up primly as “diversity” and emptily celebrated.

Send them back!

 

[Exiled_Child]

Russia’s entry into the Syrian conflict kind of ended any possibility of your conspiracy theory based invasion of Syria by the West.

Well, it’s not a “theory” that all wars, without exception, are conspiracies.

Second, Russia’s involvement just complicates matters, that’s all.

Clearly, a decisive ground war is what “we” want - our proxy war idea fell flat on it’s face.

We tried it and it didn’t work.

 

[Path_Finder]

Well, it’s not a “theory” that all wars, without exception, are conspiracies.

Second, Russia’s involvement just complicates matters, that’s all.

Clearly, a decisive ground war is what “we” want - our proxy war idea fell flat on it’s face.

We tried it and it didn’t work.

U.S.-backed Syrian alliance seizes town near Iraqi border
Read more at Reuters reuters.com/article/2015/11/13/us-mideast-crisis-syria-kurds-idUSKCN0T21O620151113#Ob75A4Ix8Zdi4Ufs.99

 

[Path_Finder]

It seems too, that we have done a lot to help the Kurds out, we could probably do a lot more but clearly, some of these battles they have won, the USAF aided the operation.

And how about that rescue operation with our special forces and the Kurds involved, reportedly, 70 people were rescued I believe.

 

[Exiled_Child]

Path_Finder:
Yes, I see your point. I have the sense that the U.S. is being much more forthright and effective now that the Russians have kind of painted us into a corner. Suddenly the U.S. backed forces seem to be making significant strides.

In my earlier post I was asking whether these Parisian events might not ratchet up the affair quite significantly. What do you think?

 

[Path_Finder]

String of arrests in Europe in possible connections to Paris attacks

One of the gunmen has been confirmed to be a French national, while Syrian and Egyptian passports were also found at the scene

Arrests in Bavaria and Belgium as well.

Two Algerians were among at least 129 people killed in the gun and bomb attacks in Paris claimed by the Islamic State group, the official APS news agency said Saturday.

The agency cited diplomatic sources as saying they were a woman aged 40 and a 29-year-old man, but did not give their names.

Algeria, which has the largest foreign community in France, has set up a crisis centre at the foreign ministry and at its Paris embassy to provide assistance to any families of Algerian victims of the attacks.

Algerian President Abdelaziz Bouteflika on Saturday branded the Paris attacks as a “crime against humanity” and urged international solidarity in the face of extremism.

So far, it does not sound like any Ethnic Algerians were involved on the Terrorism side, this is important to say because those are the people who have been there a long time.

And this:

In the UK, a Frenchman has been arrested at Gatwick airport after police found a firearm in his belongings.

Police detained the 41-year-old from Vendome after he threw an item into a rubbish bin.

The terminal was evacuated for six hours as a precautionary measure.

Explosive ordnance disposal units investigated the item and carried out a small controlled explosion. It remains unknown if the man has any connection to the attacks in Paris on Saturday.

middleeasteye.net/news/authorities-conduct-arrests-europe-possible-connections-paris-attacks-1294694121

 

[Exiled_Child]

This article is worth carefully studying and bookmarking:

ibtimes.com/paris-terror-attacks-france-could-invoke-nato-collective-defense-clause-2184963

**The coordinated terror attacks across Paris that left more than 120 dead and hundreds wounded have prompted calls for global intervention from France’s allies against the Islamic State group, which took responsibility for the attacks. As world leaders decried the attacks as an “act of war” and international media trumpeted the arrival of World War III, security experts said Saturday a perfect storm could be brewing for an invocation of the NATO’s Article 5, the clause declaring an attack against one ally to be an attack against all.

French President Francois Hollande vowed a “merciless” response toward the Islamic State, also known as ISIS and ISIL, and said French security forces have been mobilized at the “highest possible level.” The question remaining is whether Friday’s attacks will galvanize a similar response among the 28 NATO alliance members.

“There is a time for soft power and playing the long game in the Middle East, but there is also a time for the ruthless application of hard power. It is NATO’s responsibility to recognize our current moment qualifies as the latter,” James Stavridis, a retired Navy admiral and former NATO top commander in Europe, wrote in Foreign Policy. “The Islamic State is an apocalyptic organization overdue for eradication.”**

It continues at the link.

 

[chero23]

It seems too, that we have done a lot to help the Kurds out, we could probably do a lot more but clearly, some of these battles they have won, the USAF aided the operation.

And how about that rescue operation with our special forces and the Kurds involved, reportedly, 70 people were rescued I believe.

Countries like Russia, China, USA, Great Britain, Germany, France, Canada, have to get together and hit Isis by land, air,and water. Yes, radical Islamists will come, but I think it’s best to take the, out of their neighborhoods and have them fight in Syria or Iraq, rather than in the streets on nyc or Paris or Washington, D.C.

 

[Path_Finder]

wsj.com/articles/attacker-tried-to-enter-paris-stadium-but-was-turned-away-1447520571

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Paris Attacks: Suicide Bomber Was Blocked From Entering Stade de France**
A suicide bomber had a ticket to the France-Germany soccer game, but his explosive vest was found during a security check at the gate

Basically, this article says the suicide bombers were kept out of the game, the first bomb went off 15 minutes into the game.

Around three minutes later, a second person also blew himself up outside the stadium. A third suicide attacker detonated explosives at a nearby McDonald’s, police said. One civilian died in the attacks, police said.

 

[Path_Finder]

Omar Ismail Mostefai, a 29-year-old French citizen of Algerian origin, had a history of petty crime and was known to have been radicalized.

He was identified after investigators found a severed finger at the site of one of the attacks, the French AFP news agency reports.

Six people close to Mostefai have reportedly been detained, including his father, brother, and sister-in-law.

The November 13 coordinated assaults targeted six different sites across the French capital, including the Bataclan concert hall, France’s national stadium north of Paris, restaurants, and bars.

Prosecutors say seven heavily armed attackers wearing explosive belts died in the attacks. It is not known if other attackers escaped. More than 350 people were also wounded, with 99 of them in critical condition.

rferl.org/content/france-islamic-state-attacks-mourning-/27366422.html

So one attacker identified, 99 in serious condition.

There has to be a global response to this terrorism.

Also, I’m hearing the problem with radical Imams out there so such clerics and such Mosques should be examined and then, see in turn what needs to be done.

 

[Path_Finder]

Religious extremism is a cancer that goes bone deep in some parts of the world. Some of those parts are Christian, some Muslim, some Jewish, some Hindu, a rare few Buddhist. They are all equal in that none are immune to murderous fanaticism, but some are given more media attention in the West than others.

Lump all religions together, well, that’s very fair.

Communism killed more persons in a century than all religious wars combined, if it were down to casting insults, I guess we can lump them under the atheistic/agnostic/secularists.

 

[Path_Finder]

I would prefer not to go wandering into a foreign country and murder every man, pregnant woman, and child while leaving the virgins for sport. I certainly would not then claim that a man in the sky made me do it.

What does it mean “a man in the sky”?

Are such things said to demean Jews, Christians and anyone who believes in a God? This is rather irreverent.

 

[Darryl1958]

What does it mean “a man in the sky”?

Are such things said to demean Jews, Christians and anyone who believes in a God? This is rather irreverent.

It is militant atheism’s term for God.
Militant atheism does want to paint theists with the broadest brush possible, for sure.

 

[meltzerboy]

You can’t be pro-refugee one minute and then anti-terror attack the next. The one leads inexorably to the other. The attacks in France are the culmination and apotheosis of multiculturalism–the condescending attitude that culture is meaningless, that vast moral and ethnic differences can be summed up primly as “diversity” and emptily celebrated.

Send them back!

Your words may sound a bit harsh but I partially agree with them. I do not agree, however, with “sending them back” since that is as unfeasible as Trump’s “plan” to deport all 11 million illegal (Mexican) immigrants from the U.S., many of whom have been brought up in this country. And, based on my own personal interactions, I do not believe that American Muslims are bent on the destruction of the U.S. Further, living in New York, I appreciate cultural diversity and believe our country thrives due to such multiculturalism, which I do not consider a bad thing.

                                                                                                                                   Where I do agree with you is that we must rigorously screen and document Syrian refugees, provided this is possible, before admitting them to the U.S. and European countries. And I would go even further--and this is a reversal of my previous position--to state, sadly, that at this point in our war with the terrorists of ISIS as well as Al Qaeda, it might be a good idea to, for the time being, halt the influx of refugees--legitimate and desperately needy as most of them are--to our shores. For it seems that the capabilities of ISIS have dramatically increased and  now extend globally. That is, they are no longer limited to only Syria and Iraq. Europe is their present target and the U.S. may very well be next. 

                                                                                                                           As many pundits claim, Obama's policy of containment has failed and the U.S. must now pursue a policy of aggression. Does this mean boots on the ground? Perhaps. But, if so, we must be fully engaged in destroying ISIS forces, and I do not believe Obama is committed to such a daunting mission.

A final comment. I believe this terrorist attack in Paris on the part of ISIS–and foreign policy in general–and what role the U.S. should play will be a major issue in the upcoming Presidential election, even more so than the economy and healthcare.

 

[Darryl1958]

rferl.org/content/france-islamic-state-attacks-mourning-/27366422.html

So one attacker identified, 99 in serious condition.

There has to be a global response to this terrorism.

Also, I’m hearing the problem with radical Imams out there so such clerics and such Mosques should be examined and then, see in turn what needs to be done.

This was always the greatest concern after 911.
These are all soft targets, which are very difficult to guard against.

 

[Path_Finder]

This was always the greatest concern after 911.
These are all soft targets, which are very difficult to guard against.

Summarizing in short the below, they will have to have metal detectors at concert venues it sounds like, wherever there are large gatherings.

I’ve been to sports events and the ones I have been to, one empties out all metal on the desk now.

Apparently, these kinds of measures were in force at the sports stadium.

Unfortunately, it looks to me like these measures were not in effect at the sight of the rock concert, so they were able to get them, mostly if not all, young people.

Now, these measures will have to be in force virtually everywhere.

Even with the bombs going off outside of the stadium because they got in and having shrapnel bombs, it sounds like only one civilian died in this, whereas it could have been worse, much worse and possibly starting a stampede per one article which they say the terrorists would have wanted.

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So as to news, I heard they are pursuing a suspect who is a woman per Drudge Report.

And just like in England, I see the French this morning, are upset that apparently there might be radical clerics there where this theology of radicalism is expounded on.

 

[pepipop]

Three brothers from one family, could indicate how ‘small’ the actual terrorist member groups may be.

independent.ie/world-news/europe/paris-terror-attacks/paris-terror-attacks-international-manhunt-under-way-for-ontherun-french-terror-suspect-his-two-brothers-also-involved-with-one-arrested-in-belgium-the-other-shot-died-in-attack-34202574.html

*Paris Terror Attacks: International manhunt under way for on-the-run French terror suspect - his two brothers also involved with one arrested in Belgium, the other shot died in attack

He is one of three brothers believed to have been involved in planning and carrying out the assault - one died in the attack and another was arrested in Belgium.

:: Two of the terrorists killed on Friday night were Frenchmen living in the Belgian capital Brussels.

:: As many as three of the seven suicide bombers were French, as was at least one of the men arrested in Belgium.
*

 

[DeniseNY]

Sky News is reporting a *possible *shooting underway in Paris. On their live feed, you can hear helicopters and police sirens and the presenter said there are ambulances speeding by.