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Maximilian75
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The NRA? They are comparable to Planned Parenthood in terms of net worth, and being the major bedfellow of one of the two major parties… not comparable in mission though, thankfully
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Prove it. Further, your attempted linkage of the NRA and PP is repugnant.
Not even close. Both parties have plenty of “bedfellows.”
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What do you mean by “valid”? As in efficacious? No. As in legal? No. As in “feels good”? Yes.
Driving trucks, smoking, drink, etc. are not constitutionally guaranteed rights. Keeping and bearing arms is.
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The NRA has a lot of money. see specifics below
I am simply making a comparison in terms of lobbying power, not in morality or what have you
I am simply making a comparison in terms of lobbying power, not in morality or what have you
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The National Rifle Association (NRA) and its wide-ranging influence is back in the spotlight after the massacre in Las Vegas, with Democrats renewing their push for gun control measures that the gun rights group has long opposed.
The group is among the most powerful lobbying forces in Washington, with clout that extends far beyond campaign contributions.
Here are some key figures to keep in mind.
$336.7 million
The amount of revenue that the NRA took in during 2015, the most recent year for which tax forms are available. Of that total, $165.7 million came from membership dues.
A one-year membership to the NRA costs $40. A lifetime membership costs $1,500.
The perks of membership include discounts on home, car, health and life insurance, as well as on car rentals and hotels, firearms training and gun insurance, an NRA-branded Visa rewards card, a wine club and admission to the NRA’s Guns, Gear & Outfitter Show, among other things.
5 million
The number of members the NRA has, according to the group. A Pew Research Center report in June pinned the number far higher, at 14 million, but the NRA said it’s typical for nonmembers to express support in polling.
“We have millions more Americans who support us and will tell pollsters they are members, even when they are not,” the NRA Institute for Legislative Action said in a blog post after the numbers dropped earlier this summer.
“For some, it could be that their membership has lapsed and for others, they might consider a family member’s membership part of their own,” the group said. “Even more to the point, the simple fact is that our support runs much deeper than among our members alone. Gun control advocates know this to be true, and that’s why the NRA remains the most powerful political force in America.”
Over $5 million
The amount that Wayne LaPierre, the NRA’s chief executive officer and executive vice president, earned in 2015, according to the most recent tax forms available.
In the previous year, LaPierre took in about $986,000 — the jump is attributable to a $3.7 million payout from a deferred compensation retirement plan.
The group’s top lobbyist, Chris Cox, had a total compensation in 2015 of more than $1.3 million. In 2014, Cox earned $891,000, tax forms show.
$101.16 million
The gross receipts in 2015 for the NRA Foundation, which raises money to support “a wide range of firearm-related public interest activities,” including promoting firearms and hunting safety and improved marksmanship skills.
The foundation is just one of several nonprofits affiliated with the NRA.
The NRA also has the National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action, its lobbying arm that also spends money on political campaigns.
The NRA Civil Rights Defense Fund, which took in $1.58 million in gross receipts in 2015, helps fund cases “involving significant legal issues relating to the right to keep and bear arms.”
The group is among the most powerful lobbying forces in Washington, with clout that extends far beyond campaign contributions.
Here are some key figures to keep in mind.
$336.7 million
The amount of revenue that the NRA took in during 2015, the most recent year for which tax forms are available. Of that total, $165.7 million came from membership dues.
A one-year membership to the NRA costs $40. A lifetime membership costs $1,500.
The perks of membership include discounts on home, car, health and life insurance, as well as on car rentals and hotels, firearms training and gun insurance, an NRA-branded Visa rewards card, a wine club and admission to the NRA’s Guns, Gear & Outfitter Show, among other things.
5 million
The number of members the NRA has, according to the group. A Pew Research Center report in June pinned the number far higher, at 14 million, but the NRA said it’s typical for nonmembers to express support in polling.
“We have millions more Americans who support us and will tell pollsters they are members, even when they are not,” the NRA Institute for Legislative Action said in a blog post after the numbers dropped earlier this summer.
“For some, it could be that their membership has lapsed and for others, they might consider a family member’s membership part of their own,” the group said. “Even more to the point, the simple fact is that our support runs much deeper than among our members alone. Gun control advocates know this to be true, and that’s why the NRA remains the most powerful political force in America.”
Over $5 million
The amount that Wayne LaPierre, the NRA’s chief executive officer and executive vice president, earned in 2015, according to the most recent tax forms available.
In the previous year, LaPierre took in about $986,000 — the jump is attributable to a $3.7 million payout from a deferred compensation retirement plan.
The group’s top lobbyist, Chris Cox, had a total compensation in 2015 of more than $1.3 million. In 2014, Cox earned $891,000, tax forms show.
$101.16 million
The gross receipts in 2015 for the NRA Foundation, which raises money to support “a wide range of firearm-related public interest activities,” including promoting firearms and hunting safety and improved marksmanship skills.
The foundation is just one of several nonprofits affiliated with the NRA.
The NRA also has the National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action, its lobbying arm that also spends money on political campaigns.
The NRA Civil Rights Defense Fund, which took in $1.58 million in gross receipts in 2015, helps fund cases “involving significant legal issues relating to the right to keep and bear arms.”
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MonteRCMS
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The NRA Freedom Action Foundation, which had $1.2 million in gross receipts in 2015, is a nonprofit that encourages Second Amendment supporters to vote.
The NRA Political Victory Fund is the group’s political fundraising apparatus.
It received $21.6 million in donations in the 2016 election cycle, and still has $5.3 million for the 2018 elections.
The NRA also has a nonprofit hunting and shooting and training facility in New Mexico, called the NRA Whittington Center, that has camping, guided hunts, shooting courses and firearms training.
More than $54 million
The amount the NRA and its affiliates spent on independent expenditures (IEs) in the 2016 election cycle, according to Federal Election Commission (FEC) records.
Independent expenditures go toward supporting and opposing candidates and causes, with the money spent on political television and digital ads, yard signs, NRA booths and mailers, among other things.
The National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action helped primarily Republican candidates by spending $33 million on IEs, while its traditional PAC spent an additional $19.2 million on IEs, according to FEC records.
The PAC also gave $1 million to federal candidates and party committees in the 2016 election cycle. Its members contributed an additional $67,700, including $10,550 to Democrats, according to the Center for Responsive Politics (CRP). (The group itself donates almost exclusively to Republicans.)
$31.194 million
The amount the NRA’s outside groups spent helping to elect President Trump in 2016.
The NRA Political Victory Fund is the group’s political fundraising apparatus.
It received $21.6 million in donations in the 2016 election cycle, and still has $5.3 million for the 2018 elections.
The NRA also has a nonprofit hunting and shooting and training facility in New Mexico, called the NRA Whittington Center, that has camping, guided hunts, shooting courses and firearms training.
More than $54 million
The amount the NRA and its affiliates spent on independent expenditures (IEs) in the 2016 election cycle, according to Federal Election Commission (FEC) records.
Independent expenditures go toward supporting and opposing candidates and causes, with the money spent on political television and digital ads, yard signs, NRA booths and mailers, among other things.
The National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action helped primarily Republican candidates by spending $33 million on IEs, while its traditional PAC spent an additional $19.2 million on IEs, according to FEC records.
The PAC also gave $1 million to federal candidates and party committees in the 2016 election cycle. Its members contributed an additional $67,700, including $10,550 to Democrats, according to the Center for Responsive Politics (CRP). (The group itself donates almost exclusively to Republicans.)
$31.194 million
The amount the NRA’s outside groups spent helping to elect President Trump in 2016.
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Trump was the biggest beneficiary of NRA cash in the 2016 election. Here’s the top 10:
Donald Trump — $31,194,646
Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.) — $6,297,551
Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) — $3,298,405
Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) — $3,105,294
Sen. Todd Young (R-Ind.) — $2,888,132
Former Rep. Joe Heck (R-Nev.) — $2,529,305
Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio)— $2,319,755
Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.)—$650,745
Rep. Lloyd Smucker (R-Pa.)—$215,786
Sen. Richard Shelby (R-Ala.)—$167,411
These numbers, compiled by CRP and calculated by The Hill, include only the NRA’s outside spending. It encompasses the money spent to help get the candidates elected and defeat their opponents. For example, included in Trump’s total is the $19.8 million the NRA used on ads and other IEs to oppose Democratic challenger Hillary Clinton.
More than $66 million
The amount the NRA spent electing 249 members of Congress and 54 senators as well as defeating their opponents, according to a spreadsheet compiled by CRP.
The totals represent the amount spent over the lawmakers’ career, with the data going as far back as 1989. The total includes donations and IEs from the NRA’s PAC, its super PAC, and directly from NRA members.
Tax forms show that the group also gives to state-level causes, including $192,650 to the Republican Governors Association in 2015, the most recent data available publicly. The NRA also contributed $145,000 to the Republican State Leadership Committee and $103,860 to the Republican Attorneys General Association.
$3 million
The amount the NRA has spent, roughly, on lobbying each year since 2011.
But the NRA will vastly exceed that amount in 2017. During the first half of 2017, it spent $3.2 million.
It successfully lobbied for a resolution overturning an Obama-era Interior Department rule restricting sport hunting on national wildlife refuges in Alaska, including banning hunting from planes and killing predators like bears and wolves while near their dens or their cubs. President Trump approved it in April.
–This story was updated on Oct. 8 at 6 p.m.
Donald Trump — $31,194,646
Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.) — $6,297,551
Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) — $3,298,405
Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) — $3,105,294
Sen. Todd Young (R-Ind.) — $2,888,132
Former Rep. Joe Heck (R-Nev.) — $2,529,305
Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio)— $2,319,755
Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.)—$650,745
Rep. Lloyd Smucker (R-Pa.)—$215,786
Sen. Richard Shelby (R-Ala.)—$167,411
These numbers, compiled by CRP and calculated by The Hill, include only the NRA’s outside spending. It encompasses the money spent to help get the candidates elected and defeat their opponents. For example, included in Trump’s total is the $19.8 million the NRA used on ads and other IEs to oppose Democratic challenger Hillary Clinton.
More than $66 million
The amount the NRA spent electing 249 members of Congress and 54 senators as well as defeating their opponents, according to a spreadsheet compiled by CRP.
The totals represent the amount spent over the lawmakers’ career, with the data going as far back as 1989. The total includes donations and IEs from the NRA’s PAC, its super PAC, and directly from NRA members.
Tax forms show that the group also gives to state-level causes, including $192,650 to the Republican Governors Association in 2015, the most recent data available publicly. The NRA also contributed $145,000 to the Republican State Leadership Committee and $103,860 to the Republican Attorneys General Association.
$3 million
The amount the NRA has spent, roughly, on lobbying each year since 2011.
But the NRA will vastly exceed that amount in 2017. During the first half of 2017, it spent $3.2 million.
It successfully lobbied for a resolution overturning an Obama-era Interior Department rule restricting sport hunting on national wildlife refuges in Alaska, including banning hunting from planes and killing predators like bears and wolves while near their dens or their cubs. President Trump approved it in April.
–This story was updated on Oct. 8 at 6 p.m.
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The NRA is actually only about 1/4th the size of PP. Much much smaller.
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Maximilian75
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it still completely counters @Duesenberg point that the firearm interests in Congress are ‘small’
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MonteRCMS
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Where did you get the $27B figure from?
The actual NRA number is $336.7 million … the latest available number 2015.
Your number for Planned Parenthood is $1300 million.
The actual NRA number is $336.7 million … the latest available number 2015.
Your number for Planned Parenthood is $1300 million.
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Maximilian75
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i simplygoogled both of them and their net worth. but its beside the point- there are powerful, excessively wealthy pro-gun interests inCongress
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MonteRCMS
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Do you understand the meaning of words?
Revenues, expenses, net worth … have specific meanings.
If you conflate them or mix them then they no longer have any meaning.
And if you do that in any legal venue, then you are subject to sanctions for making false accusations.
Words have meaning.
Revenues, expenses, net worth … have specific meanings.
If you conflate them or mix them then they no longer have any meaning.
And if you do that in any legal venue, then you are subject to sanctions for making false accusations.
Words have meaning.
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MonteRCMS
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$27 Billion is the Net Worth of Michael Bloomberg … not the NRA:
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Maximilian75
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i was simply using net as a rough estimate of the economic value/impact/ what have you. if i used terms incorrectly, I am sorry. however, my correct or incorrect verbage does not change my point- firearm lobbies in the US are not weak or poor.
Again, i am sorry for my lack of knowledge. however, my point s unchanged.
Again, i am sorry for my lack of knowledge. however, my point s unchanged.
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No.
What you have done is made a false accusation.
Totally false.
The quote from Google is “The NRA has extraordinarily deep pockets, but still, Bloomberg has a net worth of $27 billion. Undoubtedly, his fortune is his greatest asset.Mar 26, 2013”
Bloomberg is the “chief” anti-gun person and it is BLOOMBERG who has a net worth of $27 Billion.
It has nothing to do with the rough estimate of economic value. Or anything else.
You have taken the net worth of merely one of the ACCUSERS and attributed that number to the NRA.
At the very least you MUST go back and find the correct data and post the correct data for the NRA.
You just can’t go around and use fake numbers for NRA (or anyone else).
Now … PLEASE … go back and do the research.
The point you are trying to make is based on false and misleading information.
If you do that in real life you could be sued for slander or worse and have to make financial reparations for the damage you caused.
What you have done is made a false accusation.
Totally false.
The quote from Google is “The NRA has extraordinarily deep pockets, but still, Bloomberg has a net worth of $27 billion. Undoubtedly, his fortune is his greatest asset.Mar 26, 2013”
Bloomberg is the “chief” anti-gun person and it is BLOOMBERG who has a net worth of $27 Billion.
It has nothing to do with the rough estimate of economic value. Or anything else.
You have taken the net worth of merely one of the ACCUSERS and attributed that number to the NRA.
At the very least you MUST go back and find the correct data and post the correct data for the NRA.
You just can’t go around and use fake numbers for NRA (or anyone else).
Now … PLEASE … go back and do the research.
The point you are trying to make is based on false and misleading information.
If you do that in real life you could be sued for slander or worse and have to make financial reparations for the damage you caused.
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Okay, then. I apologize for my grave mistake in statistics. I corrected my original claim
However, how does that change my end point that the gun lobby, particularly the NRA, cannot be called weak, small, or ill financed.
The statistics you cite in that the hill article prove my point.
However, how does that change my end point that the gun lobby, particularly the NRA, cannot be called weak, small, or ill financed.
The statistics you cite in that the hill article prove my point.
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No, doesn’t really prove your point.
You need to read the Second Amendment and then visit the explanations that have been published over the years.
Five million NRA members out of 330 million population. Not that strong.
100 million guns in the hands of private citizens who are not members of NRA.
Planned Parenthood is devoted to killing babies.
NRA is devoted to self-protection.
You need to read the Second Amendment and then visit the explanations that have been published over the years.
Five million NRA members out of 330 million population. Not that strong.
100 million guns in the hands of private citizens who are not members of NRA.
Planned Parenthood is devoted to killing babies.
NRA is devoted to self-protection.
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What does the second amendment say concerning lobbyists?
Also, you say the NRA is not a powerful lobby, and yet you say this
Also, you say the NRA is not a powerful lobby, and yet you say this
And forget my comparison to PP. it was badly formed, and I apologize.
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Regardless of the size of the NRA, consider where they get their money from:
“While that is still part of the organization’s core function, today less than half of the NRA’s revenues come from program fees and membership dues. The bulk of the group’s money now comes in the form of contributions, grants, royalty income, and advertising, much of it originating from gun industry sources”
“While that is still part of the organization’s core function, today less than half of the NRA’s revenues come from program fees and membership dues. The bulk of the group’s money now comes in the form of contributions, grants, royalty income, and advertising, much of it originating from gun industry sources”
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There is a term called “due diligence”.
What it means is that you MUST do your homework.
And sometimes, the homework is very complicated and complex and very lengthy and also very subject to review at all levels…
What it means is that you MUST do your homework.
And sometimes, the homework is very complicated and complex and very lengthy and also very subject to review at all levels…
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