Shootings demonstrate need for gun control, USCCB says

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I acknowledge the fact that I messed up. I edited my post as such.

However, this does not change the fact that you yourself said
The group is among the most powerful lobbying forces in Washington, with clout that extends far beyond campaign contributions.
Therefore proving my point that the NRA is a powerful lobby, and also disproving @Duesenberg s assertion that the gun lobby is weak or lacking political clout
 
Actually, that is not actually my quote; it is from “The Hill” and it is the source where you got the erroneous comment about Bloomberg’s $27 Billion.
 
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under whose name was it posted on this website? yours. therefore, it is your quote, for all intents and purposes.

in regards to the Michael Bloomberg statistic-I have rescinded my post and agree that I was incorrect. it is a non-point.

finally, you still have not refuted my assertion that the NRA is a powerful governmental lobby in the US. if anything, you have supported it. I don’t say that this is bad, I am simply stating fact
 
Therefore proving my point that the NRA is a powerful lobby, and also disproving @Duesenberg s assertion that the gun lobby is weak or lacking political clout
The NRA has strength because it has ~5M members, not because it’s wealthy or because it has anything at all to do with PP.
 
it still completely counters @Duesenberg point that the firearm interests in Congress are ‘small’
I did not say it was “small.” I said it’s not comparable to PP in ANY way. Your attempted linkage is wrong.
 
i discarded the PP comparison.

however, 336.7 million dollars is not a small amount of money…

and if one looks at post 483, they spent quite a bit of money on this election…
 
post 475. you said otherwise. and, although I havent been able to edit all of my posts concerning, i rescind the PP comparison
 
The National Rifle Association (NRA) and its wide-ranging influence is back in the spotlight after the massacre in Las Vegas, with Democrats renewing their push for gun control measures that the gun rights group has long opposed.

The group is among the most powerful lobbying forces in Washington, with clout that extends far beyond campaign contributions.

Here are some key figures to keep in mind.

$336.7 million

The amount of revenue that the NRA took in during 2015, the most recent year for which tax forms are available. Of that total, $165.7 million came from membership dues.

A one-year membership to the NRA costs $40. A lifetime membership costs $1,500.

The perks of membership include discounts on home, car, health and life insurance, as well as on car rentals and hotels, firearms training and gun insurance, an NRA-branded Visa rewards card, a wine club and admission to the NRA’s Guns, Gear & Outfitter Show, among other things.

5 million

The number of members the NRA has, according to the group. A Pew Research Center report in June pinned the number far higher, at 14 million, but the NRA said it’s typical for nonmembers to express support in polling.

“We have millions more Americans who support us and will tell pollsters they are members, even when they are not,” the NRA Institute for Legislative Action said in a blog post after the numbers dropped earlier this summer.

“For some, it could be that their membership has lapsed and for others, they might consider a family member’s membership part of their own,” the group said. “Even more to the point, the simple fact is that our support runs much deeper than among our members alone. Gun control advocates know this to be true, and that’s why the NRA remains the most powerful political force in America.”

Over $5 million

The amount that Wayne LaPierre, the NRA’s chief executive officer and executive vice president, earned in 2015, according to the most recent tax forms available.

In the previous year, LaPierre took in about $986,000 — the jump is attributable to a $3.7 million payout from a deferred compensation retirement plan…The NRA Civil Rights Defense Fund, which took in $1.58 million in gross receipts in 2015, helps fund cases “involving significant legal issues relating to the right to keep and bear arms.”
For where your wealth is, there also will your heart be. - Jesus

The NRA gives a third of a billion to promote guns. Planned Parenthood a billion more to promote abortion. The Catholic Church makes a statement about gun violence and even Catholics cry foul.
 
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Anyone who starts throwing dollar signs around needs to read “The New Leviathian”.

The New Leviathan: How the Left-Wing Money-Machine Shapes American Politics and Threatens America’s Future Hardcover – June 12, 2012
by David Horowitz (Author),‎ Jacob Laksin (Author)

DiscoverTheNetworks.org, a website run by the David Horowitz Freedom Center, identified 115 major progressive or left-leaning foundations. In 2010, it found the progressive foundations had total assets of $104.56 billion.

The left-leaning National Committee for Responsive Philanthropy and Think Progress, a popular blog run by the Center for American Progress Action Fund, identified 82 major conservative grant-making foundations. In 2010, they found the conservative foundations had total assets of just $10.29 billion.

The progressive foundations awarded $8.81 billion in grants compared to the conservative foundations’ paltry $831.8 million in grants. As long as grant makers “don’t violate IRS rules that bar direct contributions to candidates and parties, tax-exempt foundations can operate without constraints,” Horowitz and Laksin write.

This vast network of left-wing funders and activist groups dwarfs anything the activist Right has to offer. It is “self-sufficient and self-perpetuating … an aristocracy of wealth whose dimensions exceed any previous accumulations of financial power, whose influence already represents a massive disenfranchisement of the American people and whose agendas pose a disturbing prospect for the American future,” according to the authors.

For example, Horowitz and Laksin also show that the Left thoroughly dominates two huge areas of interest-group warfare today: immigration and environmentalist activism.

In immigration, they found that there are nine major conservative groups “that support traditional immigration policies” and 117 progressive groups “that support radical departures from traditional immigration policies and notions of sovereignty.”

The conservative groups (e.g. Federation for American Immigration Reform, NumbersUSA Foundation) have net assets of $15.05 million (based on annual revenues of $13.8 million), compared to the $194.67 million in net assets (based on annual revenues of $306.11 million) held by progressive groups (e.g. National Council of La Raza, Redlands Christian Migrant Association).

In other words, progressive immigration groups have 22 times the revenues that their conservative counterparts have.

In the world of environmental activism, Horowitz and Laksin report that there are 32 major conservative groups that “promote market-friendly solutions” and 552 progressive groups that “promote radical views that are anti-business.” Collectively, the conservative groups have net assets of $38.24 million, a figure that seems insignificant compared to the $9.31 billion figure representing the progressive groups’ combined net assets.

The progressive environmental groups enjoy a 37 to 1 advantage over conservative environmental groups in revenues ($3.56 billion compared to $96.17 million).
 
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From one of the reviews … but read it yourself.

The Appendices … packed with factual information … go from page 183 to page 275. Notes go from page 277 to page 297. And the index runs from page 299 to page 309.

There is a LOT of useful information here.

I went and started making my own comparisons.

The largest (in assets) of the “Conservative Foundations” would only be #12, if it was a “Progressive Foundation”.

There are two Koch foundations: One would rank #29 if it was a Progressive Foundation and the other would be #38.

If they were added together, then they would rank #26, if they were one single Progressive Foundation.

La Raza has $46 million … they’re pushing for “Reconquista” … turning the western part of the U.S.A back to Mexico.

It’s shocking … you have got to buy this book and go through the many lists … 16 Appendices.
 
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The NRA gives a third of a billion to promote guns. Planned Parenthood a billion more to promote abortion. The Catholic Church makes a statement about gun violence and even Catholics cry foul.
The Catholic church has not made any statement about gun control. Certain individual bishops have made statements, but that represents their personal opinions, not church doctrine.
 
For where your wealth is, there also will your heart be. - Jesus

The NRA gives a third of a billion to promote guns. Planned Parenthood a billion more to promote abortion. The Catholic Church makes a statement about gun violence and even Catholics cry foul.
That’s simply not true.

The NRA’s annual budget goes to a great many things – gun safety training, support of shooting competition (including the US Olympic Team), gun-related violence research, development of shooting venues across the nation, etc., etc.

The US bishops should stop making inane comments about things like magazine capacities. It makes them look downright foolish. The left is using them as tools.
 
The US bishops should stop making inane comments about things like magazine capacities. It makes them look downright foolish. The left is using them as tools.
I think it is far more inane for a layman to presume to correct them and tell them how to shepherd. It is not only inane, but rather Protestant.
 
I think it is far more inane for a layman to presume to correct them and tell them how to shepherd. It is not only inane, but rather Protestant.
When the USCCB commented about rifle magazine capacities they truly showed just how far they are out of their depths they are on this issue. Collectively they looked foolish – and it appears they have no idea just how foolish. Your attitude – that their words cannot be questioned by a layperson in this context is nonsensical. This is a prime example of where the USCCB should have sought some expert advice, rather than rely on political noise.
 
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The NRA? They are comparable to Planned Parenthood in terms of net worth, and being the major bedfellow of one of the two major parties… not comparable in mission though, thankfully
No, they have little in common.

The NRA had ~$433m in revenue in 2016 for their 6 affiliated orgs, including their Political Action Committee. I doubt any of the money came from Govt subsidies or grants.

I think PP total revenue of $1.3b for the same timeframe. I’m not sure if that includes PAC donations. I think PP revenue includes about $500m from the Govt, in grants and subsidies.

 
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