Should a sui iuris church be created for the tridentine roman rite?

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I mean, would this be something desirable for the traditional catholics? A sui iuris church in full communion with Rome, but with complete autonomy to build temples, celebrate tridentine mass wherever it wants without trying to convince local bishops, keeping all the traditional rules, etc.
 
If my opinion is at all representative, no, on the basis of it having and still being a Mass of the Latin rite for centuries. It cannot be separated from the rite it was made for.
 
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I mean, would this be something desirable for the traditional catholics?
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Can you think of a single bishop, archbishop or cardinal currently in full communion with the Pope who would even give your proposal a single moment of serious thought before saying, “Not in a million gazillion years!”.

Sorry, but that was a pipe-dream of SSPX Bishop Fellay and also of the Traditional Anglican Communion that was shot down in flames in both cases before it even left the ground by Pope Benedict XVI.

Pigs will fly before anybody serious takes that idea seriously.
 
Separate but equal? Sounds familiar…wait! We had that here in the US until 1964, when a stake was finally driven through its heart.
 
Let’s put the shoe on the other foot for a moment and turn this suggestion around as an experiment.

Considering the TLM had been around for a long time (memory at fault here for how long exactly), wouldn’t it be better to suggest that this remains the form of the latin rite - and a sui iuris church in full communion with Rome, but with complete autonomy to build temples, to celebrate the ordinary form/novus ordo form of the Mass wherever it wants without trying to convince the local bishops, keeping all the new changes, etc be established elsewhere instead?

Offended by my suggesting the Ordinary Form Rite should just go off and set up shop elsewhere? So, you should be, yet all I have done is turn it around and swap rites to hopefully show the absurdity of this suggestion.

And so to answer your first question in your opening post - as I am one who prefers the Extraordinary Form of the rite I am offended that this would even be considered an option.

I pray for the unity of all Christians under one Shepherd, not the increase of divisions.
 
I’d say this goes directly against the purpose of Summorum Pontificum. Summorum Pontificum directly states that the TLM and Novus Ordo are two expressions of the same rite. AN extraordinary form and AN ordinary form.
If you’ve encountered me elsewhere on this forum, you’ll know that I prefer the TLM, and also perhaps that I am of the opinion that the TLM is objectively superior to the Novus Ordo. The next step as I see it would be for the TLM to be of equal footing with the Novus Ordo, i.e. any Priest should be able to freely choose what form of the Mass he says.
 
I think that if the sspx were to come back to full communion this is what we should do for them. I don’t think that it should be entirely sui iuris because it is the Roman rite and it could get complicated
 
I, myself love the TLM. But, I live in Brazil, the closest Sunday tridentine mass is 8 hours driving. The bishops here in the vast majority don’t allow for tridentine mass in their dioceses. Maybe with a sui iuris church IN FULL COMMUNION with total liberty everybody would access the TLM, not just people living next to big cities in US and France.
 
I see an improvement. In yesterday thread the question was about breaking away from Rome with the entire diocese… 🙃
 
I understand your difficulty and wanting the TLM to be more available everywhere, but creating a separate Church is not the way. I think in time, with more younger priests being open to learning the TLM, and these will in time become Bishops, I think the TLM will be offered more readily in a lot more places than it is now. I think in time, the resistance to the TLM will decline, and I think it will spread.

May this happen sooner rather than later where you are.
 
Well lately in this forum there are more and more threads implying Pope Francis is heretical, idolatrous etc so I would not be surprised if in the radtrad circles there is a desire to break away from Rome (by the way I think it would be a huge mistake to enter a schism).
 
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In fact my question about the diocese was motivation by the fear that a modernist diocese decides to allow same sex marriage, etc and break away if Vatican doesn’t allow.

And the tridentine rite church is logically a FULL COMMUNION possibility, so logically nobody is questioning the authority of the Pope, who is the Pope of all sui iuris churches.
 
I like it! Solves a lot of problems. To be painfully honest: When asked if I am Christian or Catholic, I choose the latter because I don’t want people to confuse me with one of “them.” Getting to that point now.
 
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