Should a woman ever ask a man out?

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It has been a lot of years since I dated, so what I have to say might be worthless.

My wife and I strongly disliked each other when we first met. Strongly. She sized me up as vain (which I was) and I sized her up as having a sharp tongue and an acid wit,(which she did) Imagine that combination. We had some really cutting verbal exchanges, initially.

Eventually, however (and on the same night at the same party) we made a sort of truce because we were really getting in each others’ way among the others there. After the truce was made, we sort of became friends. I began to admire her wit and perhaps my being more myself was a relief (or perhaps victory) to her. Eventually, (and that same evening) we agreed to be “confidants”. No pretenses. We would totally just be ourselves with each other, and not only at that party.

Nobody asked either out to begin with. We mutually agreed to watch the late returns together. (It was a political victory party we were at). I think thereafter I was the one who asked her out, but I would not have taken it badly or as something abnormal if she had asked me out at that point. We had already become sort of allies in life, odd as that might sound.

My point here being that I think it can sure make a difference if a man and a woman are “friends” first, at least to the extent that they’re able to talk to each other as adults who find each others’ company congenial and worthy of “alliance”. Then I don’t think it matters who asks who out.

I’ll add, though, that I had plenty of “cold call” dates before my wife and I met, as well as some “Suzie likes you, why don’t you ask her out” hints from other women. I think those things are pretty much a situation in which the male needs to take the lead.
 
If you make an invitation, it needs to have a time and a place.

Example: Hey, do you want to get coffee together after work on Friday?

That way you can get a “no” that isn’t a verdict on you as a human being.
Good point.
 
Sadly American culture has killed any masculine quality in our men. Extreme liberalism and the joke feminism has morphed in to now has our boys too afraid to act. I wish it weren’t true and could say one day prince charming is gonna chase you, romance you, and make you feel like a women but sadly odds are stacked against you.

A girls best bet to find a man is to ask him out now in the western world however this too leads to low odds that this guy is actually gonna possess the traits you look for. After all he was too terrified to approach you…can’t be a good sign if you expect him to actually help lead you through life. Ironically you probably wouldn’t want him to anyway in the name of “equality” or some malarkey like that.

Sadly a good deal of girls are probably gonna get stuck with a shmoe or lay awake at night wishing they had someone else.

That’s “progress” for you. Only adventurous man your gonna get is when he plays temple run on his IPhone.
Well, if that’s really the state of American men, who would even want to marry at all?

Fortunately, my experience contradicts your remarkably broad brush. But, not asking men out is a great way to filter out the type you describe and avoid wishing you had found someone with a backbone and some confidence.
 
Please don’t do this. I’ve worked retail. It’s annoying because when you’re on the clock you have to act friendly and interested, even if you’d rather never see the person again in your life. You can’t say “not interested” without risking a complaint that you’re not friendly enough.
Yes. Thorough explanation here.
 
Sadly American culture has killed any masculine quality in our men. Extreme liberalism and the joke feminism has morphed in to now has our boys too afraid to act. I wish it weren’t true and could say one day prince charming is gonna chase you, romance you, and make you feel like a women but sadly odds are stacked against you.

A girls best bet to find a man is to ask him out now in the western world however this too leads to low odds that this guy is actually gonna possess the traits you look for. After all he was too terrified to approach you…can’t be a good sign if you expect him to actually help lead you through life. Ironically you probably wouldn’t want him to anyway in the name of “equality” or some malarkey like that.

Sadly a good deal of girls are probably gonna get stuck with a shmoe or lay awake at night wishing they had someone else.

That’s “progress” for you. Only adventurous man your gonna get is when he plays temple run on his IPhone.
I teach at a high school occasionally, and I don’t think any of this is true. I certainly don’t know what on earth you mean by “make you feel like women.” I am old enough to remember when being made to feel like a woman sometimes meant being treated with respect and sometimes meant being demeaned or patronized as incompetent, shallow, and helpless. No, I don’t know any women who lay awake nights longing for that. I just have to conclude you are far too young to have any concept of how bad it was. No, having a few guys who actually opened the door for you (there were not as many as you seem to think), did not make up for being treated as a curvy version of a child.

The OP wants to know if it is OK for a woman to ask a man out, so I will ask you point-blank: Would you consider it a blow to your masculinity if a woman who wanted to know you better offered to treat you to dinner? Would you automatically assume she would be cold towards social courtesies and not likely to be a gentle or supportive wife?

Yes or no?
 
Sadly American culture has killed any masculine quality in our men. Extreme liberalism and the joke feminism has morphed in to now has our boys too afraid to act. I wish it weren’t true and could say one day prince charming is gonna chase you, romance you, and make you feel like a women but sadly odds are stacked against you.

A girls best bet to find a man is to ask him out now in the western world however this too leads to low odds that this guy is actually gonna possess the traits you look for. After all he was too terrified to approach you…can’t be a good sign if you expect him to actually help lead you through life. Ironically you probably wouldn’t want him to anyway in the name of “equality” or some malarkey like that.

Sadly a good deal of girls are probably gonna get stuck with a shmoe or lay awake at night wishing they had someone else.

That’s “progress” for you. Only adventurous man your gonna get is when he plays temple run on his IPhone.
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Sadly American culture has killed any masculine quality in our men. Extreme liberalism and the joke feminism has morphed in to now has our boys too afraid to act. I wish it weren’t true and could say one day prince charming is gonna chase you, romance you, and make you feel like a women but sadly odds are stacked against you.

A girls best bet to find a man is to ask him out now in the western world however this too leads to low odds that this guy is actually gonna possess the traits you look for. After all he was too terrified to approach you…can’t be a good sign if you expect him to actually help lead you through life. Ironically you probably wouldn’t want him to anyway in the name of “equality” or some malarkey like that.

Sadly a good deal of girls are probably gonna get stuck with a shmoe or lay awake at night wishing they had someone else.

That’s “progress” for you. Only adventurous man your gonna get is when he plays temple run on his IPhone.
This is not true at all. I’m going to expand your “American” to include “western” men…There are many men who have become little more than manchildren in this time. But there are certainly many very masculine, Christian men still around who do not fit your description at all.
 
I will add that, as a trainee teacher, I find it might not be the best way to encourage our young men by filling their heads with your opinion of what their generation is like.
 
I might also point out that not every relationship begins with both parties wildly into each other. Sometimes it starts with one party thinking “Well, why not? We seem potentially compatible.” So the guy might not be thinking of asking the girl out, but might be interested enough to go on a few dates and see if asked.
 
Or should a woman just give hints like chatting, smiling… I’m terrible with this and socially awkward so any (name removed by moderator)ut is appreciated!😊
My wife asked me out first. And I am glad she did! 🙂
 
I’ve always had terrible luck with guys and no longer even look. Just putting that out there so you know where I’m at. I’m also old school and when I was looking I tried the hints or showing interest and even asked a guy or 2 out in my time. It never works. The ones I like aren’t interested and displaying no interest only seems to attract the ones I’m not interested in. Lately I was talking to a younger guy (because I’m social and it was a group event) and he gave me the turn down even though I wasn’t the least interested in him (thought gosh dude get over yourself I’m not interested in much younger guys…really) but what I’m trying to say is I think it’s best to let the guys do the work. If there is a guy you like maybe smile and talk to him but unless you are really good at flirting (I am not) then I would just be friendly. I don’t know of any couples where the women initiated things and they worked out. Guys are programed in most cases to pursue I would rather be pursued as well Good luck and prayers.👍
 
I’ve always had terrible luck with guys and no longer even look. Just putting that out there so you know where I’m at. I’m also old school and when I was looking I tried the hints or showing interest and even asked a guy or 2 out in my time. It never works. The ones I like aren’t interested and displaying no interest only seems to attract the ones I’m not interested in. Lately I was talking to a younger guy (because I’m social and it was a group event) and he gave me the turn down even though I wasn’t the least interested in him (thought gosh dude get over yourself I’m not interested in much younger guys…really) but what I’m trying to say is I think it’s best to let the guys do the work. If there is a guy you like maybe smile and talk to him but unless you are really good at flirting (I am not) then I would just be friendly. I don’t know of any couples where the women initiated things and they worked out. Guys are programed in most cases to pursue I would rather be pursued as well Good luck and prayers.👍
See I’d be the exact opposite. If a guy assumes he has to be the one to ask out, or if he would think I was too forward for asking him out instead of waiting, I’d take that as a pretty clear sign he wasn’t the kind of guy that I was interested in. I don’t do traditional feminine roles very well, and a guy not wanting me to ask him out would be a sign to me that he wanted a type of woman that I just plain am not interested in being.
 
I’ve always had terrible luck with guys and no longer even look. Just putting that out there so you know where I’m at. I’m also old school and when I was looking I tried the hints or showing interest and even asked a guy or 2 out in my time. It never works. The ones I like aren’t interested and displaying no interest only seems to attract the ones I’m not interested in. Lately I was talking to a younger guy (because I’m social and it was a group event) and he gave me the turn down even though I wasn’t the least interested in him (thought gosh dude get over yourself I’m not interested in much younger guys…really) but what I’m trying to say is I think it’s best to let the guys do the work. If there is a guy you like maybe smile and talk to him but unless you are really good at flirting (I am not) then I would just be friendly. I don’t know of any couples where the women initiated things and they worked out. Guys are programed in most cases to pursue I would rather be pursued as well Good luck and prayers.👍
Pursue and be pursued?

Why go through all these games? Let it be direct.

I like you and if you like me, let’s get to know each other better and see if we can have a future together.

Straight and to the point. No need for silly games.
 
Pursue and be pursued?

Why go through all these games? Let it be direct.

I like you and if you like me, let’s get to know each other better and see if we can have a future together.

Straight and to the point. No need for silly games.
Should a woman ask a man out? I’d love that attention, but it ain’t happening. If I want a date, I have no choice but to pursue. Not a complaint, just an observation; I rather suspect a lot of single men are in the same boat with me.
 
Should a woman ask a man out? I’d love that attention, but it ain’t happening. If I want a date, I have no choice but to pursue. Not a complaint, just an observation; I rather suspect a lot of single men are in the same boat with me.
Whenever I hear the word pursue, I think of someone running away from the pursuer. If someone is running away than that means that they don’t want to be with the pursuer.

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If the pursued does like the pursuer why run away in the first place?
 
Whenever I hear the word pursue, I think of someone running away from the pursuer. If someone is running away than that means that they don’t want to be with the pursuer.

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If the pursued does like the pursuer why run away in the first place?
Interestingly, my husband and I were just having a conversation about this.

I don’t “run away,” but I do like it when I see that my husband feels I am worth putting in some effort to chase/woo/what have you. I like knowing that he sees me and thinks I’m still pretty and desirable. And when we dated, he made sure that I knew that. I feel taken for granted if he assumes he doesn’t have to “try” anymore.
 
Interestingly, my husband and I were just having a conversation about this.

I don’t “run away,” but I do like it when I see that my husband feels I am worth putting in some effort to chase/woo/what have you. I like knowing that he sees me and thinks I’m still pretty and desirable. And when we dated, he made sure that I knew that. I feel taken for granted if he assumes he doesn’t have to “try” anymore.
Than woo would be the better word.

Persuasion and not pursuing.

Am I right?

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