Should Abortion be made illegal discussion

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children ( and i have them ; plus grandchildren) don’t become “sentient” until roughly “3rd or 4th” grade elementary school

so as per the culture of death; these children of Christ are eligible for “late term” abortion… ?
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Well, I could take a cynical approach and say, let the child live, and whack them later if it isn’t working out.

Your comment is a slap in the face to anyone born into difficult circumstances who overcame those circumstances. A 14 year old girl may not have the makings yet of being a nurturing individual to that child she is carrying, but that doe not mean that either her family or another family could not step in and raise the child (that is what adoption is about). Further, you seem to presume that families/individuals who are in a hard spot are the ones who wll get an abortion. Having done more than my fair share of dependency and termination or parental right cases, I can assure you that your question is not indicative of most aborted children.
 
Hard to say. I mean, if a government can demand an execution, why not an abortion?
 
(most) Governments can’t execute people without a reason and usually it serves as a punishment.
 
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Yes but we can just trust state prosecutors and carefully selected juries to claim that it’s “for the good of society.” Just like we can trust the mother to claim she needs the abortion for her own good, or for the good of her future children.

Listen folks, this is not witnesses, and government is not God talking to Biblical Judges anymore. Modern executions are not sacred.
 
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I can’t recall a time when killing someone is good for society unless they commit serious crimes and even then not all of them are executed. There are also better alternatives to abortions in most cases.
 
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KR234 . . .
Just like we can trust the mother to claim she needs the abortion for her own good, or for the good of her future children.
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What if the pregnant mother says she needs to kill her two year-old daughter “for the good” of the baby she is carrying inside of her?

Can she kill her 2 year-old girl there too?

Why or why not?

What if the state “legalizes” it? Then what?

Could we trust the mother to claim she needs the murder for her own good, or for the good of her child she is pregnant with?
 
I find it troublesome that if the child is wanted, it is legally protected and if it is not, it can be murdered.

For example. If a pregnant woman is hit by a drunk driver and she loses her life the driver is charged NOT ONLY with killing her but with killing the child in her womb. In that instance, the child was wanted, so the child had human rights.

BUT if the mother does NOT want the child, she herself can have it killed and there is no legal repercussion.

I get it. Pregnancy is scary, child-rearing is even scarier… but I am a FIRM believer that if you can’t take the heat you stay out of the fire (don’t have sex if you’re not willing to accept the risks).

I understand the argument that the child is reliant on the mother’s body.

I don’t understand why that means all of its rights as a human are void and null.

I was raised on Star Trek. Even the opportunity for sentience should be protected. A baby in its most primitive form possesses it’s own unique DNA. It bears ALL the markers of LIFE. Left alone it becomes a sentient human. We have no right to terminate that life, even if the mother is scared or uncomfortable. Her rights do not trump the rights of other humans even if those humans are inside her.

Caveat: I am a woman. I am pregnant. I still strongly believe abortion should be illegal.
 
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Take a look at some of the situations that the children would be born into, and ask yourselves… would it really be better for the children to be born into that?
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So would it then follow that infanticide would be acceptable and in the child’s best interests in order to prevent the child growing up in an undesirable situation?

Could this then also he applied to infants in extreme poverty stricken parts of the world, or where there is famine and drought, or warzones?

If you base your defence on sparing children from growing up in terrible living conditions then why not?
 
It also justifies suicide. If the world is horrible, why not end it for yourself? Or euthanasia even for young people.
 
Am I a naive woman looking through rose-colored glasses?

Why isn’t ABSTINENCE pushed more often? Obviously that isn’t every woman’s issue, but wouldn’t you say that’s probably the majority?
 
What they are saying is that people like me (raised in abuse and extreme poverty) shouldn’t be given a shot at life because we have brief suffering in our childhood.

Suffering = bad and should be avoided at all costs, including death.

No thanks. I suffered in my youth but I am VERY glad for the life I have and would never want to deny another life the opportunity to get better.
 
If it was made illegal women would go to backstreet/ ‘underground’ abortionists as they did historically and they there could be an even greater risk to life. My feeling is campaign against abortion, champion alternatives such as adoption. Make abortion less viable than the alternatives and provide support for the mother But for me you can’t outlaw it in a country unless you also outlaw the death penalty. It’s never easy.
 
I hate to say it but I do believe if abortion was illegal the suicide rate would go up if some mothers felt they had ‘no way out’. And by that I mean that they are in such a state mentally and physically that they feel there is no other option. There are always options of course -for them and Their babies, but people who are in a desperate state of mind don’t see them
 
So obviously we need to make women aware of their options. We can’t allow one evil for fear of a hypothetical maybe other evil.

We should also be encouraging everyone not to have sex if they aren’t willing or able to raise a child. Sex = babies. The fact that we ignore and try to deny this fact has led to so much evil and pain.
 
About 15 years ago an 11 year old girl presented in the ER with abdominal complaints. Since she had had her first period several months earlier (and only one) the doc performed a pregnancy test which was positive. It turned out that an uncle had raped her. Because her body had not completed maturation, the doc counseled the patents that a pregnancy at that age would be difficult and she didn’t seem to completely understand what was going on, an abortion would be the best medical advice he could give. The family refused (I don’t know the religion). The pregnancy was difficult and delivery was worse. The medical staff was prepared to do a C-section and she went into labor early and her uterus ruptured. She had to have it removed and she was touch and go for awhile. Luckily she lived but she will never have another child. Her baby had some issues as well but eventually recovered and was given up for adoption.

I don’t have an answer for this but my own personal feeling is that an abortion would have been the medically correct thing to do. Many prayed for her to miscarry but that prayer was not answered. To state NEVER to an abortion is going too far. My own daughter had to have an abortion of a WANTED child because the baby’s brain was developing outside the head and spinal column. It would die before term and thus risk (greatly) my daughter going into DIC and organ failure and thus death. She has no guilt over having done this as the baby was not, at any time, viable. Ironically to those opposed to planned parenthood, they were the only ones that would perform the abortion since she was just beyond 22 weeks. No local MD’s would do it due to their insurance restrictions. That is my daughters only regret, that her own doctor wasn’t allowed to perform it.

I think we need to keep in mind that there are sometimes shades of gray and Catholic morality is not everyone’s morality.
 
The trouble with it being legal for ANY reason for ANY woman and ANY time is that it is abused and innocent babies are being murdered for no reason.

I worked with a girl who had three abortions in one year. ONE YEAR> And each one was because she wasn’t using her birth control properly.

Heinous.

The situations you describe ARE areas of gray but I firmly believe abortion must be tightly monitored, tightly regulated and for extreme situations only.
 
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