Should active homosexuals be permitted to flaunt their lifestyle at a CatholicSchool?

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Issues such as this one are why we homeschool.

PC has corrupted even the best Catholic Schools.

NOT MY KIDS!! :tsktsk:
 
I honestly don’t have anything against homosexuals.

There was a lesbian at my catholic school. She wasn’t any bother.

I don’t like to be to judgemental on people for who they are.
It’s really up to god to judge not us.

I don’t like taking away others rights thats just persecuting.

Evanescence
 
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Evanescence:
I honestly don’t have anything against homosexuals.

There was a** lesbian** at my catholic school. She wasn’t any bother.

I don’t like to be to judgemental on people for who they are.
It’s really up to god to judge not us.

I don’t like taking away others rights thats just persecuting.

Evanescence
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It is up to God to Judge, and we are invited to be the “workers” in the field bring the light of the Gospel to others in our sphere of influence.

For a Christian, a “lesbian” is not “who they are”. This is derogatory to their identity and dignity and birthright in Christ Jesus.
Acts**, *Chapter 17:28-29 “***For ‘In him we live and move and have our being,’ as even some of your poets have said, ‘For we too are his offspring.’ Since therefore we are the offspring of God, …”
 
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Evanescence:
I honestly don’t have anything against homosexuals.

There was a lesbian at my catholic school. She wasn’t any bother.

I don’t like to be to judgemental on people for who they are.
It’s really up to god to judge not us.

I don’t like taking away others rights thats just persecuting.

Evanescence
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Hey. Out of curiosity, could you define/ explain what “rights” you are referring to??? I am unclear on what you mean. Thanks and God Bless.🙂

And on the thread topic. No, but as a few others have stated the correction should be a blanket action (i.e. homosexual and heterosexual “flaunting” immoral lifestyles.) If one is going to address one, the time should be used on both. Pray and talk to the individuals in Love through Justice and Mercy. If one cannot speak out of Love through Justice and Mercy, the reponsibility should be delegated to one who can. Just my two cents worth. Thanks and God Bless.
 
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GloriaPatri4:
Last month I posted this question (thread) in the “Ask an Apologist” forum.

Question:

Dear Father Serpa,

My question is, should active homosexuals be permitted to flaunt their lifestyle at a Catholic School? A homosexual couple (men) has enrolled two of their four adopted children into our parish school. The two men are openly gay, they live together in the same house, they wear wedding rings and they are affiliated with Gay activists’ organizations. I feel the two men are flaunting their lifestyle and causing scandal by frequently appearing together at school and church functions (including our youth Mass where they volunteer) as a couple and as a family. They bring their children to school together almost everyday. I believe this situation is negatively influencing our students, parents, faculty at the school and our very impressionable teenagers at our youth Mass into thinking that homosexual unions are okay. The children and adults who aren’t aware of the church teachings on homosexuality are saying things like “The men are so nice” or “They make such a beautiful family” or “This is the society we live in we may as well get used to it now” or “There are all kinds of families” and the worst “If we listened to everything that came from Rome (The Vatican) we would be living in the Dark Ages”.

I am deeply troubled by this situation and I’m confused as to why our principal or pastor has not addressed the issue with the two men yet. There are many of us who have been praying for these two men in the hopes that they will have a conversion but how can we hope or think that the men will ever have a conversion if they are not corrected in their sins? We’ve been praying especially for the adopted children of these two men who are truly innocent victims

Answer:

Dear GP,

If the couple were a man and a woman who were open about the fact that they were not married, it would be a matter of scandal for the parish to approve such behavior by not challenging it. To give scandal is much more than simply shocking behavior as the dictionary defines it. According to St. Thomas (II-II, Q. liii, a. 1) scandal is a word or action evil in itself, which occasions another’s spiritual ruin.

For the administration of a parish to allow such an open show of defiance of the Church’s moral teaching regarding sexual behavior is not only irresponsible, it is a scandal in itself! Our Lord had some very strong words about one who would scandalize His little ones: “…it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened round his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.” (Mt 18:6)

As to the attitude that this is the society we live in so we might as well get used to it: what about our Lord’s command that we are to be salt for the earth! He said that if salt looses its ability to be different from that to which it is applied, it is good for nothing and ought to be trampled under foot. We have the world’s only Good News. What a tragedy to water it down!

As for listening to everything that comes from Rome bringing us to the Dark Ages, the Catholic Church was the only ray of light during the Dark Ages. It alone preserved the culture. And it alone is the ray of light today! But one would hardly know this to look at some parishes and chancery offices.

Thank God for the laity. In so many places today as in the past, it is they who are leading the clergy in fidelity to the Magisterium.

As the dramatization on EWTN says, “It’s our Catholic faith. Let’s live it!”

Fr. Vincent Serpa, O.P.

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Great answer! If society is looking to the Church to present a clear moral vision, how can we do so by pretending that this homosexual couple is somehow similar to a real married couple? They are intentionally trying to get a reaction, no doubt, so they can file a suit of some kind, but the Church needs to do what is right and worry about Risk Management a bit less.
 
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GloriaPatri4:
Yes, and the same can be said for people who obsess about how much or how little others are praying and judging others hearts or their intentions. Just think how different things would be if people didn’t try to presume what was in another’s heart. By one pointing out that a person is focused on other peoples’ sins and not one’s own is that not the same thing as what one is accusing the other of?

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Which is a very good reason for giving these endless threads on homosexuality a rest.​

 
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slinky1882:
Hey. Out of curiosity, could you define/ explain what “rights” you are referring to??? I am unclear on what you mean. Thanks and God Bless.🙂

And on the thread topic. No, but as a few others have stated the correction should be a blanket action (i.e. homosexual and heterosexual “flaunting” immoral lifestyles.) If one is going to address one, the time should be used on both. Pray and talk to the individuals in Love through Justice and Mercy. If one cannot speak out of Love through Justice and Mercy, the reponsibility should be delegated to one who can. Just my two cents worth. Thanks and God Bless.
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Maybe someone should define what they mean by “flaunting” ? That too would be help​

 
Nightrider I have enjoyed your posts,but I do understand the way Gloriapatra4 feels.The line is being slowly removed about good and evil acts.My best friend is homosexual and struggles to live a chaste life and is rediculed because he is not living the lifestyle.Are Catholic schools going to start giving out this kind of thing?

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Being Catholic in a Catholic school should religion teachers avoid the subject of Homosexual acts being sinful?If so is the school truly Catholic.if not what will the other children do to the children of the homosexual parents?I have yet to hear anything about the effect on the kids:nope:
 
Gottle of Geer said:
## Maybe someone should define what they mean by “flaunting” ? That too would be help ##
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in this case, being alive.
 
I wonder, if I sent my child to an Islamic school and I showed up at the mosque for school services and refused to wear the hijab - would that be considered offensive to the school? Wouldn’t that be setting an example for the children at the school that their parents would object to?

Surely , if parents are paying fees so that their child can attend a Catholic school then the school has a responsibility to provide a Catholic education. Parents don’t expect their child to be taught that it is acceptable to live with people you are not married to as if you are married. They may not be being taught that in a formal sense but if the community seems to support this idea then it is being implied. Children do notice these things and remember them.

I just wonder what the school’s responsibilities are towards the paying parents.
 
why should anyone who has a sinful lifestyle be allowed to flaunt it in a Catholic school (or anywhere, for that matter)?
 
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JustSomeGuy:
GloriaPatri4,

why do you dwell on this stuff? if you are worried about the wholeness of your children, you need not. as much as they know that you love them, they have to know that you hate homosexuals. how could they ever dream of looking at someone that is the same sex and ever imagine having sex with them, knowing that their mother would declare all-out war on anyone involved. you’d wage war on the mailman that seemed like a sissy and on those guys that wore those rings. how could they ever offend you that way? they know where you stand!!
you couldn’t have possibly hidden how much you’d hate it, if they ever got caught up in that. oh, but you’d love them though. they know that. kids can barely figure out what’s what, but they can tell you’d love them as a person, but hate their sin, right? Jesus didn’t have to deal with these fornicators or he’d have persecuted them too. i’m not the only one who get’s it. your children aren’t blind. because of you, they know that Jesus confronts the world he wants to convert with diligent hate. they have you as a saintly example.

if you stop being a bigotted perseuctor, i might feel differently.
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Please try not to confuse hateful “gay Bashing” with concern for immoral behavior. This gay couple is choosing to send their children to a Catholic School and are choosing their lifestyle which goes against Catholic Doctrine. It would be just as scandelous for an unmarried heterosexual couple to be proudly flaunting the fact that they are not married. I am a married ,young (is 30 still young???) devout Catholic woman. My mom had a gay friend who went ot our parish when I was a kid I was taught to respect ALL people. He was an active member of the parish and was known to be celebate, he was living according to Catholic Doctrine. The Church is a hospital for sinners, not a showplace for saints. We are required to strive for a life of holiness, this can only be achieved by living according to God’s Law, not relishing in bending and breaking it. I sympathize, I truly do. I dont’ want anyone to be persecuted for their race, religion or sexual orientation, but homosexual acts are strictly forbidden by the Catholic Church. At the same time people of homosexual tendancies are as important as any other Catholic and should be encouraged to live out their vocation as either a single celebate or a member of the clergy.( if that individual is called to the priesthood or to be a nun, and has made a firm commitment to celibacy.) This may seem like a tough line. If I were the one making the rules I would tend to bend the rules, I’m a softie…but I am not the one in charge. God has been very clear about His rules and we are expected to follow them… I know it seems tough to expect a person to go without a romantic involvement, but unless in a valid marriage, the Catholic Church expects just that. It isn’t easy to be married, we have our own crosses to bear such as the expectation to accept life and use NFP, avoiding all artificial means of birth control. It is a tough job to raise children in the faith. I teach them to respect and love all people, but they will also know that we are not to base our morality according to this society, but according to the *Will of God. *Certainly this includes loving our neighbors, even if that means correcting scandal. You may say "they aren’t hurting anyone… it is their “sin” (even if you disagree with Catholic doctirne) if the sin were done in private, that would be true. It woud be between those two men and God. It woud be *their *mortal sin. When they involve the rest of the community in that sin, (including their own adopted children) it is scandal and a much more serious matter. It involves not only their two souls, but numerous others. Again, we are called to a life of holiness, and that is not an “easy” life. It wasn’t easy for Jesus to die on His cross, nor was it an easy life for the Saints and martyrs.

We are called to remove the plank out of our eye before we point out the eyelash in our neighbor’s eye, but certainly once we remove that plank, we are called to support our fellow Christians in their journey, this includes helping them to live a life according to God’s Will. We are expected to do that. It is a sin against the Body of Christ for us *not *to. I dont’ think anyone is suggesting we stone this gay couple, but their lifestyle choices cannot be overlooked, they must be supported into changing a life of sin (according to Catholic Doctrine, which they apparently embrace, but not enough to live it)

Jesus saved a woman accused of adultry from being stoned. He said " Anyone who is without sin, cast the first stone."…he helped her up, comforted her and said “Go and sin no more.” We are required to follow Christ’s example.
 
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NightRider:
Just think–if all the time spent on this obsession about homosexuality was spent on prayer and the Lord how different things would be…but then–it is so much easier focussing on other peoples’ sins rather than one’s own…God help us.
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The problem, Night, is that we are called to witness the truth. To call truth…truth and sin…sin. All to often we are asked by our secular society to ignore truth and to call sin…virtuous. I can’t and won’t.

In your signature line: “Love truth but pardon error.”

I do indeed love truth. I pardon error when the error is not being insidiously taught as the truth.
 
Donna P:
Any active homosexual should not be allowed in a Catholic Church.
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I’m not sure Christ would agree with you. He sat at table to eat with sinners, where He allowed a prostitute to wash His feet with her tears and dry them with her hair.

I’d reccommend that you read the Cathechism. To reject homosexual acts and the homosexual lifestyle does not equate to rejecting homosexuals persons themselves… ANY person who enters a Catholic church and behaves normally should be welcome in the house of God. If they are in sin, mortal or venial, is between them and God - it is not up to us to judge, but it is our obligation to pray for them.

The question was if homosexuals have a right to “flaunt” their sexuality in Catholic schools - ofcourse not !! A heterosexual “flaunting” his/her sexuality in a Catholic school would be just as inappropriate.
 
If that person goes to the Church to try and force opposition or to flaunt their beliefs in the face of the Church, They should be kept out… Church is a place to pray and worship, not a place to make a point.

Should active homosexuals be permitted to flaunt their lifestyle at a Catholic School?
I would go with No. If they want to enroll their children just to “flaunt” their relationship, then maybe their custody of the children should be looked into as they appear to have more self-interests.
The couple can keep their relationships at home and out of the School… Consider it a sacrafice for their children to recieve a good education.
Sadly, I see more kids going to Catholic schools for the better general education then for the Catholic Values…
One of the girls at my school had an abortion… At first it was a rumor I thought, then she began to talk about it and the such…
If she blatantly and freely goes against Catholic beliefs, I see no reason why she should attend the School. Maybe if she was remorseful and the such, but she was not.

I would prefer more schools having their Staffs take Oaths to follow Catholic Doctrines while acting as a Model to the Students. I think that would improve many things… If a public school teacher can get in trouble for speaking political opinions, I see no reason why we have to put up with Heresy in Catholic Schools.

I doubt these would even be court matters… Whether called Discrimination or what not… I’ve never heard of any Catholic Schools recieving Public Funding… So it is considered a Private Institution… So, like a store, they can refuse service to whomever they choose :mad:
 
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EJ79:
I’m not sure Christ would agree with you. He sat at table to eat with sinners, where He allowed a prostitute to wash His feet with her tears and dry them with her hair.

I’d reccommend that you read the Cathechism.
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I posted this in a similar thread: In 1 Corinthians 5, scripture speaks of a man engaged in a public, illicit sexual relationship. The apostle Paul instructs the church to drive him out: ‘I… pronounced judgment on the one who has committed this deed, in the name of (our) Lord Jesus: when you have gathered together and I am with you in spirit with the power of the Lord Jesus, you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.’

We belong to a Church that drives out flagrant, unrepentant sinners who persist in immorality. Christ welcomed the humble sinner, but cursed the proud and unrepentant.

If our communities honor unrepentant sinners who flaunt the teachings of Christ, then we participate in their sin of scandal (listed prominently in the Catechism) and help them lead the faithful into damnation.

However, the Church never turns away repentant hearts and struggling sinners. We even welcome unrepentent mortal sinners… so long as they do not cause scandal with their behavior.
 
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