Should Catholic parents attend gay child's nuptials?

[Brendan]

Attending is not the same thing as being a buddy, and it is not the same thing as demonstrating approval of the behaviour.

If Padre Pio did what you say he did, I think he was wrong.

So Penny, if you had a sibling or a child that was going through an induction ceremony into the KKK , would you attend out of a sign of love and support for your family member?

After all, attending is not the same thing as being a buddy or demonstrating approval.

If you read about Padre Pio refusing to attend a similar event in the past, would he be wrong then too?

 

[rpp]

I can make this decision in a heartbeat.

No! I would not attend. I would not even agree to meet the partner or ever have the partner in my home. In fact, I would not permit the partner to sit in a car parked in my driveway, even if he never got out.

Fortunately, I only have to worry about my son shacking up with a woman. He is not Catholic and only bareley a nominal Christian. However, should he make that decision, what I said above would also be applied to the woman.

I would attend the marriage, however.

 

[Publisher]

It is not love to say “screw what God says, do what you want.” You need to reveal one Scripture verse and one Saint and one Church document that supports your claims. Just one of each, or even one of the three. Until then, you’re expressing personal opinion which has no bearing on anyone serious about following God. Love hurts sometimes. Keep in mind there is a Hell, and people do go there. God is all-loving, and He doesn’t want to see any of His children there, but there is free will. Instead of marching in the gay parades and attending gay “marriages,” your time would be better spent offering Rosaries and Holy Hours for their conversion.

I need to “reveal” nothing…I and I alone must stand before God…I and I alone must follow the Light Within in this matter…I would not sacrifice my child on Moriah’s alter becasue some “saint” or “church document” or “scripture” said something contrary to what God asks of me…what Love demands from me…my faith does not reside in a “book” or the writings of a “saint” or documents from a “church”…it resides in the Living God who has called us to be his hands and feet and voice…to be the witness of his love, mercy and grace in a fallen, hurting world…Love demands I attend, whether I agree with what they would do or not…I would be a mirror of His grace…I know Whom I follow, and I listen to His Voice.

I commend them into the Hands of One who wasn’t afraid of what the religious of His day thought of Him as he sat with the lepers, tax collectors, prostitutes…He Loved like no one ever has…we are called to do the same…sometimes love…real loves ends with a cross…but three days later…

 

[kidderdoc]

Bizarre answers…there is no question your first duty is to God and supporting His laws, not supporting your child in breaking God’s laws…Geesh…I do not understand these people who are saying they would attend this travesty without reserve! YOUR FIRST DUTY IS TO GOD, THEN YOUR DUTY AS A PARENT IS TO LEAD YOUR CHILD TO GOD…BUT WE ALL WANT TO KEEP THE PEACE!!? That is NOT loving your child. Jesus said he did not come to bring peace…but division…mother against daughter, father against son…etc…you people might want to crack open that book called a Bible!..oh and check the section on sodomy!

 

[Publisher]

I am always amazed that the Bible is used to justify just about every hateful, spiteful, demoralizing thing we do to those around us.

I’m glad when I do “crack open” the Bible, which is every day in case you’re interested, I read about how deep and wide is the love of God in Christ Jesus…I read how we are to be his hands and feet…I read how we are to walk among those who are “unclean” and reach out in mercy and love…I read how two men went to the temple to pray and the self-righteous one left so very proud of his righteousness and obeying the rules…yet the publican…the one Jesus sat and ate with that he was so criticised for…you know, the ones that the religious of his day told him to “crack open” the scriptures so they could justify their condemnation?..knew his unworthyness…and left justified…I read how while we were yet sinners Christ died for us…“behold what love the Father has bestowed upon us…”

I read “though I speak with the tongue of men and angels…to know all mysteries…to work miracles…without love it profits me nothing…” I don’t worry about getting “soiled”…because I am right where I am supposed to be…I am where he would have walked and sat…I’m in good company.

 

[latinmasslover]

AMEN:thumbsup:

 

[kell0618]

Another thread on this particular forum got me wondering about gay marriage.

Hypothetical: Your son or daughter wanted to marry their significant other in a state which allows such marriages. Would you attend? **Absolutely not. ** Why or why not? By my presence, I would be giving my approval.

Would it make a difference if by not attending the marriage ceremony it may put a strain your relationship with your child? I would explain it to my child. He/she would know that I love them yet don’t approve of their chosen lifestyle and that it would be against everything I believe in to condone such a lifestyle. Doesn’t mean I would be cutting ties or love them any less.

 

[latinmasslover]

I am always amazed that the Bible is used to justify just about every hateful, spiteful, demoralizing thing we do to those around us.

I’m glad when I do “crack open” the Bible, which is every day in case you’re interested, I read about how deep and wide is the love of God in Christ Jesus…I read how we are to be his hands and feet…I read how we are to walk among those who are “unclean” and reach out in mercy and love…I read how two men went to the temple to pray and the self-righteous one left so very proud of his righteousness and obeying the rules…yet the publican…the one Jesus sat and ate with that he was so criticised for…you know, the ones that the religious of his day told him to “crack open” the scriptures so they could justify their condemnation?..knew his unworthyness…and left justified…I read how while we were yet sinners Christ died for us…“behold what love the Father has bestowed upon us…”

I read “though I speak with the tongue of men and angels…to know all mysteries…to work miracles…without love it profits me nothing…” I don’t worry about getting “soiled”…because I am right where I am supposed to be…I am where he would have walked and sat…I’m in good company.

I am disgusted how people can use the Bible to justify condoning sin. Perhaps you’ve never read Mt. 18. That’s in the Bible. New Testament. But if thy brother shall offend against thee, go and rebuke him between thee and him alone…And if he will not hear the church: let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.

or 2 Thess: But you, brethren, be not weary in well doing. And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man and do not keep company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet do not esteem him as an enemy but admonish him as a brother.

also 2 Thess: In a flame of fire, giving vengeance to them who know not God and who obey not the gospel of our Loud Jesus Christ. Who shall suffer eternal punishment in destruction, from the face of the Lord and from the glory of his power.

and (same Book): And then that wicked one shall be revealed: whom the Lord Jesus shall kill with the spirit of his mouth and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: him whose coming is according to the working of Satan, in all power and signs and lying wonders: and in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish: because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying; that all may be judged who have not believed the truth but have ***consented ***to iniquity.

Can you reveal one passage where Jesus approved wrongdoing? You can’t because He didn’t. To the woman caught in adultary he said “Go and sin no more.” The story of the publican and pharisee is to not be misinterpreted either. The pharisee was not justified because he put his *works *over the humility and ***sorrow ***of the publican because he was a publican.

Jesus never justified anyone’s sin. Reveal where he does and then you can claim that the Christian behavior is to approve grievous sin.

 

[fix]

I am always amazed that the Bible is used to justify just about every hateful, spiteful, demoralizing thing we do to those around us.

I’m glad when I do “crack open” the Bible, which is every day in case you’re interested, I read about how deep and wide is the love of God in Christ Jesus…I read how we are to be his hands and feet…I read how we are to walk among those who are “unclean” and reach out in mercy and love…I read how two men went to the temple to pray and the self-righteous one left so very proud of his righteousness and obeying the rules…yet the publican…the one Jesus sat and ate with that he was so criticised for…you know, the ones that the religious of his day told him to “crack open” the scriptures so they could justify their condemnation?..knew his unworthyness…and left justified…I read how while we were yet sinners Christ died for us…“behold what love the Father has bestowed upon us…”

I read “though I speak with the tongue of men and angels…to know all mysteries…to work miracles…without love it profits me nothing…” I don’t worry about getting “soiled”…because I am right where I am supposed to be…I am where he would have walked and sat…I’m in good company.

How does one claim to love our Lord while confirming another’s grave sin? Is that not a contradiction?

 

[rpp]

I am always amazed that the Bible is used to justify just about every hateful, spiteful, demoralizing thing we do to those around us.

I’m glad when I do “crack open” the Bible, which is every day in case you’re interested, I read about how deep and wide is the love of God in Christ Jesus…I read how we are to be his hands and feet…I read how we are to walk among those who are “unclean” and reach out in mercy and love…I read how two men went to the temple to pray and the self-righteous one left so very proud of his righteousness and obeying the rules…yet the publican…the one Jesus sat and ate with that he was so criticised for…you know, the ones that the religious of his day told him to “crack open” the scriptures so they could justify their condemnation?..knew his unworthyness…and left justified…I read how while we were yet sinners Christ died for us…“behold what love the Father has bestowed upon us…”

I read “though I speak with the tongue of men and angels…to know all mysteries…to work miracles…without love it profits me nothing…” I don’t worry about getting “soiled”…because I am right where I am supposed to be…I am where he would have walked and sat…I’m in good company.

It is an act of pure unadulterated **hate **to ignore, or even worse to tacitly or explicitly approve of, the grave sins of another. When you do this you are telling the person, “I do not want you to go to heaven. I want your immortal condemned forever.”

So what you are doing here is advocating damnation of the immortal souls of people. Simultaneously, you are condemning those who love these people enough to let them know that what they are doing is wrong.

You are advocating hate and condemning those who love.

You are calling evil good and good evil.

There is no love or charity in what you have posted.

 

[Publisher]

It is an act of pure unadulterated **hate **to ignore, or even worse to tacitly or explicitly approve of, the grave sins of another. When you do this you are telling the person, “I do not want you to go to heaven. I want your immortal condemned forever.”

So what you are doing here is advocating damnation of the immortal souls of people. Simultaneously, you are condemning those who love these people enough to let them know that what they are doing is wrong.

You are advocating hate and condemning those who love.

You are calling evil good and good evil.

There is no love or charity in what you have posted.

We can trade quips all day as to what is love and what is not…you and I disagree with what “love” means and how “love” is lived out in the daily of our lives it would seem.

You claim I “advocate damnation”, which of course is patenly false as I advocate no such thing…if I err I will err on the side of compassion, love, mercy…I will gladly err on that side…I do not claim absolute moral knowledge or authority on the subject…but I will obey the One who calls me and guides me in this matter…and He tells me to do differently than what you claim I should do…as for posting concerning “love or charity”…we will be on opposite sides there too as well.

For me, love has one demand…that I love my child by my actions…and if I must love them “sacraficially” to the point of ostracising myself from my household of faith…I will do so…with joy…for there is a Voice I have listened to and I will obey Him.

 

[Dorothy]

I would not attend such a wedding, because I must put Jesus first in all things. That is how to witness to the Truth.

I would also feel the need to assure my child that I love her but cannot condone what she plans to do. I would not want to be angry and slam the door on our relationship.

 

[rpp]

For me, love has one demand…that I love my child by my actions…and if I must love them “sacraficially” to the point of ostracising myself from my household of faith…I will do so…with joy…for there is a Voice I have listened to and I will obey Him.

It can never be God’s will for you to separate yourself from Him.

You should rethink the statement I bolded above because that is demonstrably against the will of God.

 

[latinmasslover]

…for there is a Voice I have listened to and I will obey Him.

I don’t know what voice you’re hearing but it isn’t God’s. Unless, of course, God is a liar or can’t make up His mind on morality.

Still waiting for a verse from HIS WORD that says true love means one can consent to another’s sin.

 

[Penny_Plain]

Well, good luck. All you’re likely to get here is a big ol’ pot of crazy.

A true prophet is among us.

Well, was. Then he got banned.

 

[Publisher]

It can never be God’s will for you to separate yourself from Him.

You should rethink the statement I bolded above because that is demonstrably against the will of God.

Separating myself from a faith community isn’t the same as separating myself from God…the two are mutually exclusive…but to take your suggestion under consideration…hmmmm…I’ve thought about it…my response stays the same…I choose to obey the will of God…not someone’s take on what God wants for me…but His take on what God wants for me.

 

[Publisher]

I don’t know what voice you’re hearing but it isn’t God’s. Unless, of course, God is a liar or can’t make up His mind on morality.

Still waiting for a verse from HIS WORD that says true love means one can consent to another’s sin.

I know His Voice when it speaks in some areas…I don’t pretend to use the Bible as a Ouija Board to find out what God wants…your view of “love” seems very narrow to me…to me your idea of “love” comes down to a bunch of “rules and regulations”…“love is kind, it is not rude, love does not demand it’s own way, it is patient…it bears all things…”…I know His Voice when He speaks…it is unmistakable!

 

[Apryl]

You can teach all you want, but they will do what they want.

Kathy

Please excuse me, but my Hint-o-meter is broken

Would you, or would you not, attend the union service?

 

[Apryl]

…I don’t pretend to use the Bible as a Ouija Board to find out what God wants…

Did you MEAN to use such irony?

 

[writingluver5]

I’m glad to see so many good responses on here.

I personally wouldn’t attend a ceremony. I’m not going to reject gay people, but that doesn’t mean I have to suppport what they do. I would be completely grossed out if I saw something like that take place, and would prolly have to run out of the “ceremony place” barfing, for lack of a better term.

Christ teaches that a marriage is the union of one man and one woman, “until death do us part,” and I don’t plan on ever violating that. Pray for all of our brothers and sisters in Christ who struggle with these temptations.

As someone said on here, love the sinner, hate the sin.