Should Catholic parents attend gay child's nuptials?

[Mirdath]

I have to say that I’m not familiar with the Society of Friends, but it obviously “feel-good.” Most nonCatholic “Christian” anything is. It’s about feeling good and making others comfortable in their sin, which is not something Jesus did. If you want to talk about being Christlike, look at what He said and did. He did not come so everybody could live as they want.

If you’re not familiar with it by your own admission, learn about it before throwing accusations around. I assure you, you are completely mistaken in your apprehension of the Society of Friends.

Dear Publisher accuses me of just quoting Scripture-those are the words of His God (allegedly) and if his personal opinion differs from God’s law then he is the one in error, not God.

Do you still stone idolators? That is the word of God too.

The devil can, it is said, quote scripture for his own ends. So can Christians. What is your purpose in quoting it? Do you have the temerity to claim that your goals are identical to God’s? Are you certain that you are doing God’s will by alienating your family? Do you love your own scruples more than you love your children?

This entire question isn’t about how much you love God, it’s about how much you love yourself. Would you sacrifice your own pride on the altar in order to show your love for your children? If not, you’re no parent, and are instead sacrificing your children on the altar of your pride, going through with the pagan sacrifice God stopped Abraham from making.

The example I gave with the daughter is the same thing. What if she were to say, “Mom, Dad, I love him though. I’m not going to not marry him because he to beats me and is addicted to drugs, he has a lot of good qualities. Who are you to say that this is a deciding issue on whether or not to stay with him?” It’s the same thing. God doesn’t lay down laws so that we’ll be miserable; He decreed how things should be, and how they shouldn’t, because He sees all the effects of it.

No, it is not the same thing. One is loving, consensual behavior, the other abuse. There’s no comparison.

If you want to condone homosexual behavior, then what about pedophilia? Statutory rape (where the “victim” says yes)? I’m sure in the name of God you’d approve this also, right? And before you say it’s not the same thing, it is.

And the slippery slope! Homosexuality and pedophilia are unrelated; there are gay and straight pedophiles alike. No matter who’s diddling whom, pedophilia is wrong since children cannot consent. But let’s stick to the topic instead of wandering into unrelated issues.

 

[Nepenthe]

It’s sin period. It’s like going to a second marriage (adultery). Yes and a schizophrenic shouldn’t be allowed to roam free without medication. Yet homosexuals can take CHILDREN to their parades and celebrate perversion with naked people writhing on eachother plastic toys etc. ??? Worthy? Do you read the bible and know what the teachings of the church from the beginning say? Ugly, small-minded, p#ssant, and unworthy of Christ’s legacy? Sounds like you are one of those “tolerant” people I was talking about. I’m intolerant of homosexuality and I’ll admit it, will you admit you are intolerant of Christian teaching? Child is better off knowing mom and dad love them enough not to help them in their sin. While their child (Lord forbid) is burning in hell they wouldn’t want mom and dad there with them because they celebrated their sin with them. There is no “blessing” of a homosexual marriage except by satan that hates God, his creation and wants all to suffer in hell like he will. Is that the “blessing” you were talking about?

People that have cancer don’t have cigarette smoking parties, the disorder needs to be treated not sanctioned in “marriage” otherwise it will lead to death.

The great Old Testament hero David did the naked can-can in front of the Ark of the Covenant as it made its way to Jerusalem. He boogied down for all of Judea to see, and got a tongue-lashing for it from Saul’s daughter Michal (2 Samuel 6: 20-22). Apparently God was pleased, as David did not suffer the same fate the unfortunate Uzzah did earlier in the chapter.

You bet I’m tolerant. I’m tolerant even of you, and certainly tolerant of Christianity, especially when it presents in the form that, oh, Publisher and a few other posters here espouse. I’m also tolerant of all forms of theism, when they are moderated with wisdom, peace, intelligence, empathy, and once again, wisdom. This isn’t about the hatred of God or Satan, it’s a human matter. Let God and Satan or who/whatever you think has a stake in some other world deal with it themselves and take care of their own. Here and now, we are called upon, theist and non-theist alike (believe it or don’t), to do our best by one another, especially family. We are called to welcome each other into that family, to get past the ugliness of tribe and the viciousness of partisanship. Didn’t your Christ teach you that? What did you not understand about ‘love one another as I have loved you’?

 

[defenderoftruth]

Didn’t your Christ teach you that? What did you not understand about ‘love one another as I have loved you’?

When Jesus said “love your neighbor” he was quoting Leviticus 19:17-18…
Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him. Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

Yeah and to love one another is to love our brethren, those that follow Jesus. We are commanded to love our enemies too. I wouldn’t wish my worst enemy hell. I go to the homoparades to show these people the error of their ways and of the coming judgment. BTW, did you know Jesus said, “Repent or Perish” do you think that is by today’s standards “loving”? Maybe not but according to God it is.

 

[defenderoftruth]

The great Old Testament hero David did the naked can-can in front of the Ark of the Covenant as it made its way to Jerusalem. He boogied down for all of Judea to see, and got a tongue-lashing for it from Saul’s daughter Michal (2 Samuel 6: 20-22). Apparently God was pleased, as David did not suffer the same fate the unfortunate Uzzah did earlier in the chapter.

David dancing before the Lord is a little different than 300+ homosexuals dancing 90% naked to techno writhing on each other with plastic toy appendages. Big difference…

Try again. Homosexuality is a sin period.

 

[Steve40]

I absolutely would NOT attend, nor would my husband.

The state of their soul is far more important to me than if they will feel good about coming over for dinner on Saturday night.

Would you go to an unlawful wedding? Fallen away divorced Catholics getting married outside the Church? I’ve been to more unlawful weddings then lawful in the past few years and maybe I should not have but one of them was for my brother.

What is the difference between two men saying they are getting married or my brother who in the eyes of the Church and God is still married to another women?

Sodomy or adultry what’s the difference? If I wouldn’t go to one I shouldn’t go to the other. When I put it that way, maybe I should go to confession for going to my brother’s unlawful wedding.

 

[FSHSM1968]

I would say no because I would also not attend if say my child was going to marry an abusive straight partner. We must stand up for the truth at the expense of anything else , even close relationships.

 

[Paulineo]

First of all, there is no such thing as marriage between persons of the opposite sex.
A state may legislate whatever it likes, but to say that marriage between persons of the opposite sex is marriage, is like saying that a cube is a circle; or that the law of gravity says that what goes down must go up!! Because persons governing a state or country WANT something to be so, does not make it so!
As to whether or not I, as a parent, would go to such a “wedding”, I would not. I would pray and do penance for such children.
Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life, and through Sacred Scripture, we know that God instituted marriage; it existed before States or governments existed; man has no right whatsoever to dare to interfere in God’s creative plan.
Jesus said that his coming would divide, father and son, mother and daughter, mother in law and daughter in law,
If you all know better than Jesus, then what can I say? Think seriously about this matter.
Life is very short; eternity is forever!!

 

[brigid12]

I would say no because I would also not attend if say my child was going to marry an abusive straight partner. We must stand up for the truth at the expense of anything else , even close relationships.

Amen! I would certainly talk with the “child” extensively and lovingly, explaining clearly why I wouldn’t go and extending my love and hospitality to the “child” in the future (and hopefully, assisting them in coming back to the Father). It wouldn’t be very loving to celebrate/acknowledge/consent to something which might put them in H___ for eternity aong with very possibly causing physical damage here on earth! I would certainly not want any confusion on their part as to the possible consequences!

 

[latinmasslover]

If you’re not familiar with it by your own admission, learn about it before throwing accusations around. I assure you, you are completely mistaken in your apprehension of the Society of Friends.

Do you still stone idolators? That is the word of God too.

The devil can, it is said, quote scripture for his own ends. So can Christians. What is your purpose in quoting it? Do you have the temerity to claim that your goals are identical to God’s? Are you certain that you are doing God’s will by alienating your family? Do you love your own scruples more than you love your children?

This entire question isn’t about how much you love God, it’s about how much you love yourself. Would you sacrifice your own pride on the altar in order to show your love for your children? If not, you’re no parent, and are instead sacrificing your children on the altar of your pride, going through with the pagan sacrifice God stopped Abraham from making.

No, it is not the same thing. One is loving, consensual behavior, the other abuse. There’s no comparison.

And the slippery slope! Homosexuality and pedophilia are unrelated; there are gay and straight pedophiles alike. No matter who’s diddling whom, pedophilia is wrong since children cannot consent. But let’s stick to the topic instead of wandering into unrelated issues.

Well, I just did a little research. Another Protestant sect, not very different from Mormonism. Further study of the SoF is pointless because it essentially says to pray about it, and whatever you think is right is. I was not aware that the Scriptures meant nothing to you people, most Protestants accept them as the Word of God, which you don’t.

And why can’t children consent. They may think that a sexual experience with an adult is fun and exciting and feels good, which is what you saying in reality: if it feels good do it. Remember, children start becoming adults physically around age 12 and 13; it is society that treats them like children until, what, 30 now? If an adult is having a relationship with a “child” why is that not okay if the “child” is not being hurt and they don’t say no? But why stop there?! What about siblings together, a father and daughter, or heck, a father and son? You would support this, no? By the way, some people are constantly quoting the love of Jesus, but have yet to quote where, anywhere, He consented to sin and celebrated it? I’ve put many Scripture versus out of what God has said in this matter, in matters of “love” and how true love is shown, and all anyone says is “that’s wrong; all you have to do is love, love, love…” To love you have to know what love is. I don’t know what to tell you since your “church” puts personal opinion over God, except what’s written in blue. We-those opposing sinful unions-are not the ones playing the devil by twisting Scripture when you’re the ones taking God’s entire message out of context just to remain friends with people on earth, even if it costs them their souls. That’s not love. God says not to fear the ones who can destroy the body but the One who has the power to destroy the soul. Of course, I don’t know how that will be interpreted once posted (as if it matters at this point).

 

[Genesis315]

By the way, some people are constantly quoting the love of Jesus, but have yet to quote where, anywhere, He consented to sin and celebrated it? I’ve put many Scripture versus out of what God has said in this matter, in matters of “love” and how true love is shown, and all anyone says is “that’s wrong; all you have to do is love, love, love…” To love you have to know what love is.

Well said. The world offers many counterfeit loves, from the superficial to the mortally sinful. We can only find the depth of love Jesus calls us to in truth. This is why He said He came to bear witness to the truth–because He came to show us how to truly love God and neigbor, and thereby come to salvation from sin.

 

[po18guy]

Another thread on this particular forum got me wondering about gay marriage.

Hypothetical: Your son or daughter wanted to marry their significant other in a state which allows such marriages. Would you attend? Why or why not?

Would it make a difference if by not attending the marriage ceremony it may put a strain your relationship with your child?

You might as well buy them both some heroin and syringes. Our responsibility is to point their error out to them-not in judgment, but in charity so that they might repent.

Christ came not to bring unity, but DIVISION. Be on the right side of the divide!

Christ’s peace.

 

[Nepenthe]

Sigh. Perhaps it hasn’t occurred to some of you that Jesus associated with, ate dinners with, and generally hung out with thieves, prostitutes, and sinners – because he truly liked them, and loved them, generously and convivially.

That doesn’t mean condoning anything, but if you believe you are to be judged before the most high, which of these failings would you rather plead to? ‘I didn’t express my joyful love of my fellow humans, and my children enough’ or ‘I didn’t rebuke and condemn others enough’ ?

If you answer the latter, and truly think it more acceptable to your Lord, then I am more sorrowful then I can say. Life is so short, and I would have thought that those who claim to be followers of the Moralist of Galilee would be particularly aware of that.

latinmasslover:

Well, I just did a little research. Another Protestant sect, not very different from Mormonism. Further study of the SoF is pointless because it essentially says to pray about it, and whatever you think is right is. I was not aware that the Scriptures meant nothing to you people, most Protestants accept them as the Word of God, which you don’t.

‘A little research’ is right! Like Mormons? Hahaha - WHAT? Way, way off. The SoF are often referred to as the Quakers (you know, like the guy on the oatmeal box ). Like many of the founding fathers of the USA, they were and are Deists, with strong views about the freedom, dignity and equality of all humankind, the importance of education. William Penn was a Quaker, and the colony of Pennsylvania was founded as a haven for the Friends, like Maryland was for Catholics, and indeed the two states had close ties.

Tsk, look this stuff up yourself. I don’t know where you did your ‘research’ but I suggest if your source also says the sky is blue, check your window just in case…

By the way, neither Mirdath nor I are either Protestant or Catholic. But were we to become Christians, we would most likely want to be Quakers.

As for the rest of your fallacious nonsense, we have addressed the ethical issues of consent with other posters here, ad nauseam, in other threads. Maybe we’ll get back to you after breakfast, but really I’d rather go for a walk on the beach right now!

 

[Apryl]

Would you go to an unlawful wedding? Fallen away divorced Catholics getting married outside the Church? I’ve been to more unlawful weddings then lawful in the past few years and maybe I should not have but one of them was for my brother.

What does one being for your brother matter?

Right or wrong changes depending on who is involved?

Please, elaborate.

 

[Animulae]

I would attend my child’s wedding without question. I would attend a gay marriage of anyone who invited me. I have been to one gay wedding and I must admit, it was the most touching, beautiful ceremony I have ever been to. I’m not Catholic but I am Christian and I believe deep down that it is not my place to pass judgment. I’ll leave that up to God. There is enough hate in this world that I will gladly celebrate love anytime, by anyone. Peace.

 

[fix]

The first part is still up for debate in many Catholic Theologian circles. It is an unresolved Church issue that will continue into the future.

Dissenting theologians do not have the authority. The magisterium does and the teaching is those acts are objectively wrong.

 

[FSHSM1968]

Sigh. Perhaps it hasn’t occurred to some of you that Jesus associated with, ate dinners with, and generally hung out with thieves, prostitutes, and sinners – because he truly liked them, and loved them, generously and convivially.

That doesn’t mean condoning anything, but if you believe you are to be judged before the most high, which of these failings would you rather plead to? ‘I didn’t express my joyful love of my fellow humans, and my children enough’ or ‘I didn’t rebuke and condemn others enough’ ?

If you answer the latter, and truly think it more acceptable to your Lord, then I am more sorrowful then I can say. Life is so short, and I would have thought that those who claim to be followers of the Moralist of Galilee would be particularly aware of that.

‘A little research’ is right! Like Mormons? Hahaha - WHAT? Way, way off. The SoF are often referred to as the Quakers (you know, like the guy on the oatmeal box ). Like many of the founding fathers of the USA, they were and are Deists, with strong views about the freedom, dignity and equality of all humankind, the importance of education. William Penn was a Quaker, and the colony of Pennsylvania was founded as a haven for the Friends, like Maryland was for Catholics, and indeed the two states had close ties.

Tsk, look this stuff up yourself. I don’t know where you did your ‘research’ but I suggest if your source also says the sky is blue, check your window just in case…

By the way, neither Mirdath nor I are either Protestant or Catholic. But were we to become Christians, we would most likely want to be Quakers.

As for the rest of your fallacious nonsense, we have addressed the ethical issues of consent with other posters here, ad nauseam, in other threads. Maybe we’ll get back to you after breakfast, but really I’d rather go for a walk on the beach right now!

Yes Jesus did hang out with sinners. He said that he came to call sinners as they were the the ones that needed healing.Remember that a lot of people walked away because they could not follow His teaching. He told the adultress that He did not condem her but to " Go and sin no more ".

 

[Apryl]

He told the adultress that He did not condem her but to " Go and sin no more ".

And if you are at the ‘commitment ceremony’ for a pair of homosexuals… how is that ‘Go and sin no more’?

If anything, you have them on the precipice to sin LOTS more

 

[latinmasslover]

Sigh. Perhaps it hasn’t occurred to some of you that Jesus associated with, ate dinners with, and generally hung out with thieves, prostitutes, and sinners – because he truly liked them, and loved them, generously and convivially.

That doesn’t mean condoning anything, but if you believe you are to be judged before the most high, which of these failings would you rather plead to? ‘I didn’t express my joyful love of my fellow humans, and my children enough’ or ‘I didn’t rebuke and condemn others enough’ ?

If you answer the latter, and truly think it more acceptable to your Lord, then I am more sorrowful then I can say. Life is so short, and I would have thought that those who claim to be followers of the Moralist of Galilee would be particularly aware of that.

‘A little research’ is right! Like Mormons? Hahaha - WHAT? Way, way off. The SoF are often referred to as the Quakers (you know, like the guy on the oatmeal box ). Like many of the founding fathers of the USA, they were and are Deists, with strong views about the freedom, dignity and equality of all humankind, the importance of education. William Penn was a Quaker, and the colony of Pennsylvania was founded as a haven for the Friends, like Maryland was for Catholics, and indeed the two states had close ties.

Tsk, look this stuff up yourself. I don’t know where you did your ‘research’ but I suggest if your source also says the sky is blue, check your window just in case…

By the way, neither Mirdath nor I are either Protestant or Catholic. But were we to become Christians, we would most likely want to be Quakers.

As for the rest of your fallacious nonsense, we have addressed the ethical issues of consent with other posters here, ad nauseam, in other threads. Maybe we’ll get back to you after breakfast, but really I’d rather go for a walk on the beach right now!

We all know Jesus ate with sinners, talked with sinners, liked sinners…everybody is a sinner. None of us “moralists” are denying that. What you and your people are saying is that Jesus approved it. “Go and sin no more,” not, “Sweetheart, why don’t you introduce me to your lover. You know, if your marriage is bad, divorce your husband and marry the adulterer, excuse me, your true love.” I’ve asked for one response from all who approve sin: DOES JESUS DO IT? If you mentioned how that nonsense is approved by God in another thread, so what?! List it here. I’m asking for ONE verse. Can one of you handle that? ONE VERSE. That one question hasn’t been answered, and without answering it in the affirmative you have no argument, as a Christian, or to a Christian.

If your child was to join the KKK and then have a celebration dinner afterwards, you would be there in support, right? Let’s say your child is an alcoholic, and decides one day to celebrate his sobriety by drinking at home. You would provide the alcohol and celebrate with him, yes? These are not rhetorical questions, an answer is desired.

Let’s say a friend of yours (with adult children) is divorced. She decides to marry her son (let’s say the gov’t allows this). Would you attend the wedding? Or she decides to marry her daughter? Or her daugters decide to marry each other? There is no problem, right, as long as they’re all consenting adults and are “happy?” Again, not rhetorical.

If you don’t believe homosexuality is wrong, that’s your opinion. If you know it’s wrong, because the Lord God says it is, then you sin by celebrating it. Don’t agree? So what?

“Against the truth there is no argument.”
“I have come to bear testimony to the TRUTH.” If you don’t like it, that’s your problem. A Christian follows Christ, wholeheartedly. “If you love Me you will obey Me.” Obstinate disobedience=not Christian.

Yes, SoF it is similar to Mormonism in relation to truth: God tells you personally. What garbage! To the nonCatholic “churches” God is as hormonal as a pregnant woman: this is wrong; wait, it’s not; oh, well, it is in this case; no, you decide, I don’t know…" some god, glad he’s not mine. Personally, I prefer the God who knows what He’s talking about and doesn’t lie. When one knows the Truth (Jesus and HIS teachings) one doesn’t need to study the lies spewed out by rebels. I am a daughter to my Father in Heaven, and I will not approve or celebrate what He finds despicable.

On Judgment Day, I want to be able to say, “Father, I obeyed You even though it cost me my family and friends. I did what You revealed and did my best to pass that on to others. I did not give the OK on what You said is wrong, I did not celebrate sin. I loved them (still do) and did what I could to prevent their offending You. When they decided lust was more impt. I left them to that opinion, as YOU told everyone through Your Word (New Testament) to do.”

 

[lmahoney]

As Paul said, “To the married I give charge, not I but the Lord, that the wife should not separate from her husband (but if she does, let her remain single or else be reconciled to her husband)—and that the husband should not divorce his wife” (1 Cor. 7:10-11).
“Thus a married woman is bound by law to her husband as long as he lives. . . . Accordingly, she will be called an adulteress if she lives with another man while her husband is alive” (Rom. 7:2–3).

Can anyone find one verse of scripture where marriage is NOT referred to as being between husband and wife? That being said, there is no such thing as a same sex “marriage” and therefore I would not attend something that is false. I have 4 children, all of which I love dearly and I would not attend and my children would know why I would not attend. Even at their young ages they know that homosexuality is an abomination to God! That is not a judgemental statement that is a Truth! All we can do as christians is pray for those that are consumed by this temptation. Just as we pray for all sinners (ourselves included). My children are taught to love everyone and pray for everyone but stand up for the Truth! Loving someone does not mean letting them do what they want especially when it’s something that hurts their soul. Think about it, would you allow a child to lie and manipulate others because they like doing it, it makes them “happy”? I wouldn’t. We are all children in the eyes of God, as christians we are to protect each other from sin, guide one another away from temptation, not happily walk with you and then push you off the cliff that we knew was there even if you didn’t see it or think it would hurt if you fell off of it. If you are a christian show the love that Christ shows, eat with fellow sinners and embrace them and teach them so that we too can go forth and Sin No More. God Bless!

 

[FSHSM1968]

And if you are at the ‘commitment ceremony’ for a pair of homosexuals… how is that ‘Go and sin no more’?

If anything, you have them on the precipice to sin LOTS more

Exactly!