johntkd:
Ok you have forced my hand now and got off why you feel that " I never said i was or wasnt under the belief of a one true church, you brought up “Peter” so in turn i bring up the Orthodox Church which is not in communion with rome they claim they are the one true church and that Peter was also thier first pope,the bible they follow uses different translations in MANY verses than does the Roman Catholic bibles, and now ill get into at least one more that claims they are the “chosen people whom will inhabit heaven” most call them a “cult” Jehovas witnesses.
now lets get into Scripture, revelations in particular,
the warnings were sent out to (7) SEVEN Churches,NOT ONE
so get over it already.
, I am almost done with the RCIA classes. I also will add that I was a very welcome participant in this class as I have some knowledge in many different religions,which were discussed many many times throughout the last few months.
Also for the record here and just to add your facts are way off, The jewish Faith is the first Church, First religion. and Christ himself was a Jew till the day they killed him, he never renounced his Faith,tear that one apart if you can,…
One other thing as a FYI The lutheran Faith also uses the nicene creed word for word ( including the word Catholic), and the “our Father” and many many other identical Prayers and declarations.
what they do not follow is “cannon Law” which was made by man.
Hi John, I’ve been trying to understand you, and I think I have it figured out. you have not been instructed in the Catholic faith very well and really don’t know what it is all about.
First, the early church, yes, there were quite a few of them, and not only the ones listed in Revelation either. Horrors, the sola scriptura people will have a fit . Christ gave the keys to Peter, s and told him to build his church, not a hundred , one. Peter and the Apostles and the others with them, set out They set up many churches, all led by a bishop. Alll these churches, were part of a universal church, the church that Peter was told to set up. Peter became the bishop of Rome, which was the imperial capital in those days, so
ALL the individual churches and their bishops looked to Rome and Peter as the seat of the church… Now true he wasn’t called Pope at that time, he was the Bishop of Rome. That is still his official title, the Bishop of Rome. It is also true that Rome came to be the center of the faith in large part due to Emperor Constantine.
As time went on heresies and heretics arose, Marcion, Arius, Docetism, Gnosticism, Monarchism etc. In 325 or so a council was called by Constantine, in order to combat these heresies. It was attended by about 300 or so of the bishops of
THE CHURCH at that time. There were about 1800 , hard doing this stuff from memory In any event, the Bishops came up with the Nicene Creed that you speak of, in order to squash the heresies. True not only the Catholic Church uses it, but it was developed theologically by the Catholic Church. No one else.
The Orthodox Churches as we know them today **were **part of the Catholic Church until the great schism, which happened around 1000. That schism was more political than anything else, a fight between the Bishop of Rome and the Patriarch of Constantinople. Remember from history that Constantinople was the capital of the Eastern part of the Roman Empire. There was also a difference of opinion over the Filioque clause in the Nicene Creed, proceeds from the Father and the Son versus proceeds from the Father through the Son.
As far as the bible, the New Teatament was codified at the Council of Carthage in the 300’s. And as you may have guessed it was the Catholic Church that gathered together all the documents, all the relative scripts floating around that that time and after deciding which were inspired put them together into what today is known as the Bible. As far as the Old Testament it totally depends which canon one uses. I think there are two. As far as translations there are hundreds, and it is probably best to go with one in the original Greek if you can get one.
Quite true, Jesus was a Jew until the day he died. No doubt about it, he was. But he did not tell Petere to build a Jewish Church, he said his church or the chuirch of the new and everlasting covenant. Actually, John one of the earliest problems in the church had to deal with the Ebionites or the Judiaizers. They felt that to be a Christian you had to follow Jewish law as well. They were not succesful in their attempts to impose this on the church.
Jehovahs Witnesses? don’t forget the Mormons, they claim it too
Best wishes in your journey
( Actually, I hear what you’re saying about loving is desiring the highest good for the other person. Good point. Not that it really matters, but I agree with that. I simply have a problem with the “I’ll cram it down your throat” approach. Of course maybe those who espouse it would tell me they’re just being direct. Touche’ . We’ll have to agree to disagree. You say “direct”. I say “bull in the china shop” Semantics.)
. Later, I asked my priest and he told I did the right thing by not particiapting becasue the Protestants do not share our beliefs in reference to the Eucharist which is why they cannot receive Communion when they go to Mass.
