Should Catholics support Israel, Palestine, or take a neutral stance?

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No one is denying that there are Arab Christians; however, as the vast majority of the people are Muslim, any new Palestine State will be Muslim.

Christians are more likely to be protected in Israel than in a Muslim state. Jewish society has never made it a goal to force others to convert or submit to Judaism.

Not to mention that the holy sites at the core of Christendom would likely become mosques in an Islamic state, as happened to Santa Sophia, the Cenaculum, the mount of the Ascension, etc.

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Yes that is true … Christians are treated as second class citizens in most muslim countries. Some countries even denies worshiping freedom. Where ever muslims are minority, they bargains for minority rights and freedoms and they will not allow that freedoms to other religions where they are majority.

Also another thing to be noted is that condition of christians are fairer than pagans in these countries. While muslims grants limited freedom to christians, they are more strict on pagans. That’s why we can see minority communities of christians in these countries, while paganism (which was majority religion beofre islam (eg:zorashtrianism in persia, traditional pagan religions in mesopotomia (iraq) and arabia) disappeared from there.
 
To be Catholic is to be Universal.We are called by the pope to welcome all peoples.The Jews are God’s chosen but when they returned to Israel the Palestinians were already there.Do we know who fired the first shot? Does it matter?The strife there is demonically induced…we know this because God would not encourage bloodshed.We as catholics cannot take sides nor remain neutral.Our prayers must reflect an active desire for peace, we cannot sit back and remain idly neutral. Our hearts must go out to both Palestinian and Jew and we must pray to God to bring peace to that land and all lands.
 
The so-called “Palestinians” already have a homeland; it’s called Jordan.
 
If you know history of Israel and Palestine, I don’t see how anyone in good consience support Palestine. There will never be peace because Palestinian attitude is to wipe Israel off the map. And to illustrate Palestinian attitude towards Jews-There has been a case while back when an Arab woman who went to Israeli hospital to be treated(and was sucessfully) decided to go back to that hospital and blow herself up. Or perhaps a family of Jewish settlers who were murdered by several Palestinians who stabbed everyone to death including all their kids, even 3 months old baby. If you think these horrifying cases are isolated incidents, you are wrong:mad:
 
I believe in taking a look at this in an Erasmusian way.

On the one side, the Israeli government has been abusive; not just of Muslims, but of Christians. They claim to do all of this in the name of defense, yet; looking through the historical rise of Israel in the 20th century, it’s been the Israelites who’ve always struck first. This bodes ill, since the rules of war are based primarily on “Whoever cast the first punch is the bad guy.” Other countries simply ignore the pleas made from people across the Near-East on Israel’s tactics. Israel claims they warn citizens of bombings, yet when you look in Al Jazeera, the citizens are stating differently. This is a war crime.

The Israeli government also serves as a vessel for corrupt Jews across the globe. Whenever one is in trouble, they simply state Israeli citizenship and they’re let free; no matter the crime. It’s also well known that Jews move around any country to commit assassinations for political or domestic reasons. I remember the case of a former Nazi living in Brazil who was murdered in the 70s. The man was in another country, what right does the Israeli government have to enter into another land and murder someone? This is a loop hole that’s simply unacceptable.

Israel also seems to keep stating themselves as victims; usually stating Hitler in the process, yet they also, nearly, or perhaps actually, hypocritically, behave in a manner that’s wrong against their neighbors. Disconnecting certain groups from the Holy Land; whether out of racism or prejudice, I can’t say, but the excuse of “It’s for defense” is becoming just that, an excuse.

Another issue I have is how many Jews simply don’t practice being Jewish. They maintain themselves as people who were born Jews, but know very little about being Jewish. They keep the Religion because it carries political weight and that has to be the highest form of evil from the ones I’ve listed on Israel’s faults. If you’re going to be something, at least be it well, don’t simply call yourself that, not knowing anything about it. Jews should be Jews and not say they are and not be it.

Now while the Israelites are bad. The Muslims are nearly equally worst, or even worst.

Lack of freedoms, stonings, beatings, persecutions, stubbornness against cooperation, imposing Sharia Law; including in Europe and other non-Islamic countries, disrespecting other people of other religions, the taking of hostages and executions. The list just goes on.

While the Israelites may do one bad thing, the Muslims are merely destroying their cause by their suicide bombings and their unwillingness to negotiate unless it’s on their own terms. They’re simply just not fit to lead a country of their own as they are.

My estimate of the situation is: I would side with neither. They’re both bad.
However, the Muslims wish to murder all of the Jews. On that case, I would say that siding with the Jews would be humane; in that case only.

I simply can’t see God with either one.
-Karl
 
Well after reading the above post we now know that:
Israel is a place that abuses its Christian and Muslim citizens
Israel commits war crimes
Israel is a haven for Jewish criminals
Israel indiscriminately assassinates its opponents throughout the world
Israel plays the Holocaust victim card while behaving in a racist Nazi fashion to others
Jews only pretend to be Jewish for “political advantages”
God is not with the Jews

Now this is probably something you didn’t know - Jews think such statements are anti-Semitic
 
Well after reading the above post we now know that:
Israel is a place that abuses its Christian and Muslim citizens
Israel commits war crimes
Israel is a haven for Jewish criminals
Israel indiscriminately assassinates its opponents throughout the world
Israel plays the Holocaust victim card while behaving in a racist Nazi fashion to others
Jews only pretend to be Jewish for “political advantages”
God is not with the Jews

Now this is probably something you didn’t know - Jews think such statements are anti-Semitic
According to the former “Israeli” minister of education, Shulamit Aloni, the accusation of antisemitism is :

“…a trick, we always use it. When from Europe somebody is criticizing Israel, then we bring up the Holocaust. When in this country people are criticizing Israel, then they are anti-Semitic.”

youtube.com/watch?v=uW3a1bw5XlE

Criticism of “Israel” is in no way the same as antisemitism.
 
According to the former “Israeli” minister of education, Shulamit Aloni, the accusation of antisemitism is :

“…a trick, we always use it. When from Europe somebody is criticizing Israel, then we bring up the Holocaust. When in this country people are criticizing Israel, then they are anti-Semitic.”

youtube.com/watch?v=uW3a1bw5XlE

Criticism of “Israel” is in no way the same as antisemitism.
There is no lie too horrendous which may be told about the Jews which will not be believed by someone
There is nothing that belongs to the Jews that someone does not wish to take
 
Have read some of the comments. I work in Arab world, and I find most Palestinians that I have come acroos, have an ego problem,ie. superiority complex. I did ask one Palestinian why he came to arab world, when Israel pays better salary and its just next door, and he said, its true, that he earned more when he worked in Israel, than in the Arab world, only problem was the security and too much checking.

Well If there was peace between the two, I bet Palestine would have borne the fruits of prosperity with peace with Israel, and who knows even Israel would have given it its thumb up sign for becoming a country.

Yes its a pity that in all this, its our Christian brothers and sisters who suffer.

We need to pray for them.

God Bless
 
Palestine was offered their own country pre-Obama and to original pre-67 borders. They agree’d then balked.

Peace and Harmony is the stance “always”.

They also happen to be an allie of the USA.
 
According to the former “Israeli” minister of education, Shulamit Aloni, the accusation of antisemitism is :

“…a trick, we always use it. When from Europe somebody is criticizing Israel, then we bring up the Holocaust. When in this country people are criticizing Israel, then they are anti-Semitic.”

youtube.com/watch?v=uW3a1bw5XlE

Criticism of “Israel” is in no way the same as antisemitism.
“Fake Jews out of political expediency” is not something I would label “valid criticism of the state of Israel”.

Its more the kind of hateful generalities that spawned the Holocaust, in the first place.
 
I believe in taking a look at this in an Erasmusian way.

On the one side, the Israeli government has been abusive; not just of Muslims, but of Christians. They claim to do all of this in the name of defense, yet; looking through the historical rise of Israel in the 20th century, it’s been the Israelites who’ve always struck first. This bodes ill, since the rules of war are based primarily on “Whoever cast the first punch is the bad guy.” Other countries simply ignore the pleas made from people across the Near-East on Israel’s tactics. Israel claims they warn citizens of bombings, yet when you look in Al Jazeera, the citizens are stating differently. This is a war crime.

The Israeli government also serves as a vessel for corrupt Jews across the globe. Whenever one is in trouble, they simply state Israeli citizenship and they’re let free; no matter the crime. It’s also well known that Jews move around any country to commit assassinations for political or domestic reasons. I remember the case of a former Nazi living in Brazil who was murdered in the 70s. The man was in another country, what right does the Israeli government have to enter into another land and murder someone? This is a loop hole that’s simply unacceptable.

Israel also seems to keep stating themselves as victims; usually stating Hitler in the process, yet they also, nearly, or perhaps actually, hypocritically, behave in a manner that’s wrong against their neighbors. Disconnecting certain groups from the Holy Land; whether out of racism or prejudice, I can’t say, but the excuse of “It’s for defense” is becoming just that, an excuse.

Another issue I have is how many Jews simply don’t practice being Jewish. They maintain themselves as people who were born Jews, but know very little about being Jewish. They keep the Religion because it carries political weight and that has to be the highest form of evil from the ones I’ve listed on Israel’s faults. If you’re going to be something, at least be it well, don’t simply call yourself that, not knowing anything about it. Jews should be Jews and not say they are and not be it.

Now while the Israelites are bad. The Muslims are nearly equally worst, or even worst.

Lack of freedoms, stonings, beatings, persecutions, stubbornness against cooperation, imposing Sharia Law; including in Europe and other non-Islamic countries, disrespecting other people of other religions, the taking of hostages and executions. The list just goes on.

While the Israelites may do one bad thing, the Muslims are merely destroying their cause by their suicide bombings and their unwillingness to negotiate unless it’s on their own terms. They’re simply just not fit to lead a country of their own as they are.

My estimate of the situation is: I would side with neither. They’re both bad.
However, the Muslims wish to murder all of the Jews. On that case, I would say that siding with the Jews would be humane; in that case only.

I simply can’t see God with either one.
-Karl
so you think that Al Jazeera is the Pillar of Truth?:rolleyes:
I surely would like to know what are you talking about here-“Israeli behave hypocritically agaisnt their neighboors”. You mean the ones who attack Israel on regular basis?
 
I support Israel’s right to exist, I am not shocked they would make pre-emptive strikes on aggressors, nor if they assasinate every remaining Nazi they can find.

THe Arabs on the other hand wait for moments like yom kippur to make their move.

Iran (and others) wish to wipe Israel off the map

these “brothers” have never been able to get along and “Ishmael’s hand” is still against every man.

Its just a shame that some of our poorest brothers who are palestinian, lebanese, syrian and egyptian get caught out.
 
so you think that Al Jazeera is the Pillar of Truth?:rolleyes:
I surely would like to know what are you talking about here-“Israeli behave hypocritically agaisnt their neighboors”. You mean the ones who attack Israel on regular basis?
If not from them, then who? ABC? BBC? CNN?

We must be open to the voices and be true in understanding. Otherwise, we’ll never help anyone.

When I state that Israel behaves hypocritically, I mean that, as stated before, certain groups of people; whether Muslims or Christian, are not allowed into Israel. You cannot blind yourself to these facts, otherwise, how are you, or we, any different from the Protestants who claim we worship statues and saints?

Peace and understanding. These are the core tenets of all Christians. It’s only when there is necessity that we should take up arms.

Remember St. Augustine.

St. Michael pray for us.
-Karl
 
Hey everyone. Should Catholics support Israel, Palestine, or take a neutral stance? I really have no idea.
Catholics should stand on the side of justice and fight injustice.

Whenever the Jews are in the right and the Palestinians are in the wrong, we support the Jews, and vice versa. If the Jews are acting unjustly towards Palestinians, we support the Palestinians, and vice versa.
 
I take a neutral stance to the issue and I do not think that Christians in the West should concern themselves with such trivial matters, and I do not believe that there are going to be any thing that we have been able to establish. I think that it is best to have a neutral stance on the issue when concerned with the issue of Christianity. It does not really concern the Christian in the West. But, the terrorists come from the middle east attacking our homeland, and they attack us and they think that there are different world religions that we have been able to abolish. The Palestinians want to blow Israel off the face of the map, and they want to get rid of the Jewish state. Long live Israel. Move the capital of Israel to Jerusalem.
 
I take a neutral stance to the issue and I do not think that Christians in the West should concern themselves with such trivial matters, and I do not believe that there are going to be any thing that we have been able to establish. I think that it is best to have a neutral stance on the issue when concerned with the issue of Christianity. It does not really concern the Christian in the West. But, the terrorists come from the middle east attacking our homeland, and they attack us and they think that there are different world religions that we have been able to abolish. The Palestinians want to blow Israel off the face of the map, and they want to get rid of the Jewish state. Long live Israel. Move the capital of Israel to Jerusalem.
The capital of Israel has been Jerusalem since 1967. The only thing to be moved is the US embassy. But if we move that, we will tack off the Muslims irrecoverably.

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