The big emphasis there is on “if done right”. I have seen persuasive arguments in favor of the method, but there is a lot more that can and does go wrong. Otherwise, I agree with you. It’s much the same in the Southeastern US.
God gave rights to all His creation. I will be judged by how I use or abuse those He gave me.
I don’t know what the human population was during Old Testament times, much less the number of animals that were used for food and for sacrifice, but you’ve phrased the whole thing correctly. Some are yelling “rights” without thinking it through.
About 1/3 of the U.S. is grassland that won’t grow anything else successfully. That’s true of the rest of the world too. People can’t digest grass sufficiently to stay alive on it. Without ruminants that can digest grass effectively, 1/3 of the earth would produce nothing in the way of food. Ruminants produce tons of high-quality protein from something we can’t eat.
Are you suggesting that human rights are created by governments, and don’t exist in the absence of governments?
Are human beings designed to be anarchists with no governments? A code of law and a government administration designed to enforce the law may be as artificial as a bow and arrow for hunting animals.
I think yes, in as far as is reasonable, animals should be reared in good conditions and slaughtered with minimal trauma.
I see cattle waggons driving past, filled with bellowing cattle, herded from their fields to be taken to be killed. The stress is incalculable, and from then on, to seeing the cow in front of them being killed. The stench of blood. terrifies all animals.I think yes, in as far as is reasonable, animals should be reared in good conditions and slaughtered with minimal trauma.
Mass production of cheap meat is the reason for what you see in those movies. I believe the US has less regulation in that regard than some other countries so it might be worse in the US than elsewhere.
But yeah we need to eat. You could eat organic if you can afford it, or free range chicken, or do 1 vegetarian day a week. If everyone did that it would make a difference (especially to the environment: cattle farming is terrible for the environment).
I’m not a vegan or vegetarian BTW; not trying to push an agenda
There are no rights that we can demand from God. Any rights we have now seems to be pretty much a man made concoction which seems to change over the centuries. Rise of democracy certainly created this concept of “rights” . Previously under empires and king rule, the commoner didn’t have much right over anything. Who know what “rights” mean in the 30th century. May be cows can vote then.
True! We have no rights we can demand from God.
I think you may have to reframe this statement. When God gave us the Commandments, he didn’t establish rights, he established a list of things you can’t do. There is a difference. One establish a prohibition, the other give you an entitlement. In fact he permits life to be taken away under certain provisos.
Not true. Fetuses are dumped like garbage daily. The fetus owner seemingly has more right over her body than the fetus has a right to his/her life. Since this is allowed by the US Constitution, would you say these rights came from God or humans? Those who commit certain crimes can be legally killed. Can you yourself take away that right by committing suicide? Something to ponder.
That’s what I said. These are man-made proclamations. God didn’t proclaim these, a group of rebel guys against their mother country agreed that it should be so, and it was so. Not very different from a group of terrorists that say their right was given by God to take away the lives of infidels/fight against established governments with the aim to start a new country. We have to be careful when proclaiming stuff in the name of God when He actually didn’t say it.
Only recently and depending on which government. At one time, kings, emperors, rajas etc had absolute power over their subjects. I think North Korea is still very close to that model today. Communist countries used to be very close to that model too. The state or king or dictator owns you, period. The government does create rights. If the law didn’t say so, we got nothing. If the constitution didn’t say so, you got no right to a lot of stuff. And these are man-made. A person declaring “these are God-given rights” is really confused what God actually said and didn’t say. Slavery existed not too long ago. Discrimination in various forms still exist today. Democracy wasn’t a God given right. There was no democracy during ancient biblical times except for the pagan Greek I believe.
If you accept that the 5th commandment is of divine origin, and you properly understand the scope of that commandment (which does not forbid or condemn every act which kills), then I think it reasonable to conclude that our creator conferred upon the “innocent” a right not to be slain.
By “owner” I presume you mean mother? This juxtaposition is of course man-made.
Capital punishment does not fall within the scope of that which the 5th commandment forbids.
Of course the 5th commandment is divine. But it nowhere forbids the state from killing if a citizen were to break a particular law. In some countries death penalty is imposed for drug trafficking above a certain limit. In some countries probably in the past, but perhaps still in some countries, sedition, being a traitor, may get the death penalty. Slave owners could get away with killing their slaves previously. That couldn’t be a God given right. Or was it?
I am of the view that many so-call rights are self declared in the name of God. Adultery under Mosaic law was death by stoning. Most constitutions do not impose any penalties for that. Wasn’t that a God given prohibition? Or was that a right? First commandment, many constitutions guarantee you freedom from God.
There are weirder ones I can imagine.
And hence proclamations of divine rights should be ignored. But what if one were to say that it is a God given right to do as I please with my body. God gave me this brain/mind to have that liberty to decide for my self what is best for me. yada yada. How would you rebut that? I can see God’s name being bandied around in many situations but hardly backed up by Scriptures nor Tradition but by improper inference.
But there are many that argue for abolishment of capital punishment quoting precisely that commandment. Vatican included.