Should Chimps be Considered Human

  • Thread starter Thread starter SuperLuigi
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
There was a story posted earlier about two professors in Nova Scotia arguing this very point.
They were not arguing that Chimps should be decleared human. In fact the program, according to the article in the thead, is called the “Nonhuman Rights Projects”.


They are seeking some recognition of some rights for the chimps. I am not sure it they use “person” in some philosophical sense, or the legal sense:
Legal person refers to a non-human entity that is treated as a person for limited legal purposes–corporations, for example. Legal persons can sue and be sued, own property, and enter into contracts. In most countries, legal persons cannot vote, marry, or hold public office.
 
I was in a jest. The movie series, the planet of apes, came to mind.

Seriously, apes are not human. They therefore cannot be humans, no matter how close they are to our DNA.

I think that does not change and therefore their category cannot change. If they are given human status, then why them only, why not dolphins or octopus?

Maybe for scientists but theologically (I am not a thrologian and therefore stand corrected), the dividing line is clear. Apes are animals as humans are human beings.
 
I would think being declared a “person” would have unintended consequences. A “person” can be guilty of murder. If a chimpanzee was some kind of “person”, would we not have to determine their mental state / capacity if they killed another “person” (ape or human)? I see a pandora’s box of issues.
 
I’d put the news article in your first post itherwise social justice would seem a much more appropriate category.
 
As soon as a chimp writes even an uninteresting novel, I’ll consider it. Until then, I won’t.
 
Lots of people don’t write novels. If you’re going to use that kind of logic, then 90% of the human race wouldn’t call into those categories.
 
Are chimpanzees sentient? They have culture of a kind (in other words they can transmit information across generations), they have some limited language abilities, they are tool users, they largely have the same emotions of humans, and they are very closely related genetically and behaviorally to humans. Cognitively they are among the most intelligent animals in the world.
Dolphins, on the other hand, have evolved their cognitive skillset in a world untouched by humans. Yet they seem intelligent to us because their complex social behaviour reminds us of ourselves. We see reflections of humanity in their playful demeanour and intricate societies. And when scientists began digging into dolphin minds, they found abilities that closely resembled that of our fellow great apes, such as mirror self-recognition – an unexpected finding for an animal that looks more like a tuna than a chimpanzee. Dolphins are perhaps the most human-like of all non-primates…”
 
Lots of people don’t write novels. If you’re going to use that kind of logic, then 90% of the human race wouldn’t call into those categories.
Pretty much every person has written something coherent in school.

Have you found any chimps that have written ANYTHING?
 
How about this. Are chimpanzees sentient? They have culture of a kind (in other words they can transmit information across generations), they have some limited language abilities, they are tool users, they largely have the same emotions of humans, and they are very closely related genetically and behaviorally to humans. Cognitively they are among the most intelligent animals in the world.

None of this says they possess sentience to the degree that a human does, but that as much as anything is simply a matter of the number of neurons. But when you look at their behaviors and capabilities, are they sentient?
OK, but are they Human!

Human’s by definition are Homo Sapiens. Where as Chimps are Pan Troglodytes. So no they are not Human.

Also on a much greater level that you obviously do not believe, Human’s have an Immortal soul where Chimps do not. This is what makes Humans who and what they are. You and everyone else will soon find out what that means in the greater scheme of things.
 
I’m not terribly convinced by claims of human specialness. We are hominoids like chimps, we evolved from a common ancestor, and our suite of behaviors simply are not that different. It’s a difference of quantity to be sure, but ultimately we are animals.
 
Humans are not merely animals, they are rational animals. Humans have the ability to abstract universal concepts, compare and contrast, determine alternatives and choose from them.
 
I think the better question:

Should Chimps be Considered Sentient; worthy of the same rights as homo sapiens?
 
I DID NOT MEAN TO VOTE YES. CHIMPS ARE NOT HUMAN IMO

sorry about that haha
 
Humans are not merely animals, they are rational animals. Humans have the ability to abstract universal concepts, compare and contrast, determine alternatives and choose from them.
And do self reflection also.
 
I’m not terribly convinced by claims of human specialness. We are hominoids like chimps, we evolved from a common ancestor, and our suite of behaviors simply are not that different. It’s a difference of quantity to be sure, but ultimately we are animals.
Cause chimps build cathedrals too. 🤣
 
I don’t believe that they have eternal souls, but biologically speaking they are our closest living relatives. While we are “made in the image of God” in terms of our spirit, which sets us apart from other animals, our flesh is undoubtedly very similar to a chimp’s. I believe they are somewhat sentient, but not capable of deep, abstract, or spiritual thoughts / yearnings in the way that humans are.
 
I would think being declared a “person” would have unintended consequences. A “person” can be guilty of murder. If a chimpanzee was some kind of “person”, would we not have to determine their mental state / capacity if they killed another “person” (ape or human)? I see a pandora’s box of issues.
A legal person can have rights and duties, but not everyone who is legally a person has duties or culpability for actions. A chimpanzee could not be held to the same standard as even an older human juvenile, by reason of neurological capacity. One might be deemed a threat to himself or others, but that is not the same as being capable of criminality.
I think the better question:

Should Chimps be Considered Sentient; worthy of the same rights as homo sapiens?
They could not have all the same rights because they do not have all the same capacities.
You could not say a chimpanzee has the right to keep and bear arms, for instance, because they could not be presumed to have the same appreciation of the responsibilities that come with the use of deadly force.
I’m not terribly convinced by claims of human specialness. We are hominoids like chimps, we evolved from a common ancestor, and our suite of behaviors simply are not that different. It’s a difference of quantity to be sure, but ultimately we are animals.
You must be joking. A chimpanzee’s ability to manufacture or use tools is in the realm of finding a stick to lure ants out of an ant hill, which is in the realm that a bird could manage. Their mathematics ability amounts to adding or subtracting single-digit numbers.

What is being learned about the abilities of the other primates and even non-primate animals is very exciting, but there is a galaxy of difference between even the most advanced primate and humans.

We are the only animals with something like the capacity to have “dominion over the earth” in a way that can come to appreciate the repercussions of our actions. The cockroaches might be more able to take over the earth, but no animal has our ability to imagine and appreciate all the consequences of our actions, nor a similar capacity to look at our actions with the perspective of beings other than ourselves.

In other words, we have a level of responsibility for our personal and societal choices that no other species on earth can approach. There is no comparison. When the Last Judgment comes, we will be the only beings standing up for assessment.
 
Last edited:
When chimps are able to self sacrifice, a decision made based upon their own morals, sure. But I don’t see that ever happening.

For instance, chimps may be capable of showing traits of empathy, but it’s a different kind of empathy. This is contagious empathy.
Contagious empathy is ‘the process in which a single bird, startled by some sudden movement, takes off in alarm and is instantly joined by the entire flock’. Cognitive empathy ‘is contagious empathy pressed through a cognitive filter: a brain or mind’.
It may seem similar, but it’s nothing like what humans experience.
 
Chimps observe humans constantly … but none of the chimps has built an airplane.
 
Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top