Should gay marriage be legalised?

[fix]

But remember that mortal sin is only mortal sin if a person truly understands the graveness of a matter.

Persons in a same sex marriage union with children, will likely truly believe that they are being holy and are in good standing with God. God is very merciful and can look into the hearts of individuals. It is for this reason that I believe that gay couples can be accepted by God (despite what is seen as ignorance) and enter into Heaven just like practicing Catholics.

Catholics need to be careful of having the “holier than thou” attitude. We are acting like the Pharisees if we refuse to open our hearts and see that these people are just trying to live a peaceful life and they are not pushing to be able to marry in the CC. They just want the same legal rights that are given in marriage by the government.

Whether one is culpable before God or not is not the issue here. There is an obligation to protect children and society. We have to be careful not to embrace relativism as compassion. It is the opposite of compassion to embrace evil as good.

If we follow your logic then simply claiming sincerity is justification for legalizing all sorts of vices no matter the ill effects on civilization.

Also:

Here, the Church’s wise moral tradition is necessary since it warns against generalizations in judging individual cases. In fact, circumstances may exist, or may have existed in the past, which would reduce or remove the culpability of the individual in a given instance; or other circumstances may increase it. What is at all costs to be avoided is the unfounded and demeaning assumption that the sexual behaviour of homosexual persons is always and totally compulsive and therefore inculpable. What is essential is that the fundamental liberty which characterizes the human person and gives him his dignity be recognized as belonging to the homosexual person as well. As in every conversion from evil, the abandonment of homosexual activity will require a profound collaboration of the individual with God’s liberating grace…

 

[Serap]

Whether one is culpable before God or not is not the issue here. There is an obligation to protect children and society. We have to be careful not to embrace relativism as compassion. It is the opposite of compassion to embrace evil as good.

I’m going to ask you a philosphical question:

Does God see these people as being evil? Does God look down at gays getting married and think, “These people are evil!!!”

I’m not questioning your dedication to the CC. In fact, I think it’s a beautiful thing. I too am a practicing Catholic (believe it or not ). Perhaps I am too compassionate; I don’t know. I just think of the children in these relationships. This will never go away. What do we do to protect the children in these unions?

 

[barb_finnegan]

Exactly.

I second that!

What part of ‘NO’ that the proponents of homosexual so-called ‘marriage’ don’t understand?

I just heard that New Hampshire is the latest state to ‘legalize’ this…and the idiots in the New York legislature want to do the same!

There are TV ads about it-and whenever they come on, I end up yelling at the screen!

Government has no business meddling in marriage!

 

[fix]

God does not see any of us as evil. We were made in His image. Our actions and thoughts can be evil. The problem is we have a tendency to minimize our choices as no big deal. We view sin as only involving serial murder or bank robbery or some such thing. That measuring stick is not what Jesus says.

You ask about the children and that is the central issue here. They should be protected by that I mean they should not be exposed to such “unions” in the first place.

 

[Serap]

God does not see any of us as evil. We were made in His image. Our actions and thoughts can be evil. The problem is we have a tendency to minimize our choices as no big deal. We view sin as only involving serial murder or bank robbery or some such thing. That measuring stick is not what Jesus says.

You ask about the children and that is the central issue here. They should be protected by that I mean they should not be exposed to such “unions” in the first place.

But the reality is that they ARE in these unions and these unions are NOT going away. I don’t necessarily agree or understand gay marriage, but it’s here to stay. So what do we do to protect these children? Are we to pull them out of these homes and place them in orphanages?

Most of these children are loved and happy. What is best for them? What is best for them to see and feel God’s love?

 

[Cracker_Mom]

No & poor spelling should be outlawed!

I agree but in this case it’s the British spelling of “legalized/legalised.”

 

[edwest2]

I am well aware of the CC teaching. Have you not read my earlier posts on this thread? I stated bluntly that gay marriages will never be recognized in the CC nor should they ever be allowed in the CC.

I am looking at this from a human rights issue. I’m not talking about polygamy, mammal to mammal, sister and brother…two non related people in-love who are the same sex.

In polygamy, 14 year old girls are being abused - shouldn’t be legalized
Brother to sister - birth defects as a result - shouldn’t be legalized
Mammal to mammal - not going there.

I follow church teaching…I’m not a cafeteria Catholic. Same sex gay couples often have children and are living a married life. They need to have rights given in secular marriage now that there are children involved. It’s not going away. Something needs to be done; whether it be “marriage” which is not how we Catholics define marriage; but something has to be done for these children.

Do you not see where I am coming from???

Gay rights is not a civil rights issue. Gay couples cannot have children - they can only adopt. In some cases, they could use the morally repugnant surrogate mother concept.

All people should be protected by the legal system equally, but gay couples cannot enter into a unitive, procreative relationship. For the entire history of the United States, no gay marriage. Now, suddenly, they need marriage?

It’s not going away? What does that mean? Yes, some people have same sex attraction, I get that. But the Church teaches chastity - self control. Who tells you, or me when to have sex? The State? The voters?

This is not a Secular Forum nor do I think a Secular United States needs to be created.

Children need a mother and a father.

Peace,
Ed

 

[anon77300002]

There is only one reason why gay marriage is wrong. Only one. Marriage is a life giving sacrament. Any one who does not see marriage as a sacrament has no valid argument against gay marriage. This is why the religious right (the majority of which are Protestant) has been so dismally unsuccessful at combating the issue of gay marriage.

 

[Serap]

Gay rights is not a civil rights issue. Gay couples cannot have children - they can only adopt. In some cases, they could use the morally repugnant surrogate mother concept.

All people should be protected by the legal system equally, but gay couples cannot enter into a unitive, procreative relationship. For the entire history of the United States, no gay marriage. Now, suddenly, they need marriage?

It’s not going away? What does that mean? Yes, some people have same sex attraction, I get that. But the Church teaches chastity - self control. Who tells you, or me when to have sex? The State? The voters?

This is not a Secular Forum nor do I think a Secular United States needs to be created.

Children need a mother and a father.

Peace,
Ed

This is all great and I agree with everything you are saying.

Now let’s take a look at the real world.

 

[Cracker_Mom]

This is all great and I agree with everything you are saying.

Now let’s take a look at the real world.

The real world? What’s not real about the Catholic world or Catholic Church teaching? Especially since the Church was instituted by the Creator of the “real world.”

 

[Tosk]

This is all great and I agree with everything you are saying.

Now let’s take a look at the real world.

In the real world there is still a fight going on. Look at Prop 8.

I don’t see any reason to raise the white flag yet.

 

[Serap]

The real world? What’s not real about the Catholic world or Catholic Church teaching? Especially since the Church was instituted by the Creator of the “real world.”

I agree, please don’t get me wrong.

We can’t change what is happening to children, but we can try to protect them through legal means.

 

[edwest2]

Now it’s about the children? Who is going to protect the children from the State forcing them to read a gay story book? Mom and Dad cannot opt out. It’s happening in Massachussetts right now.

massresistance.org/

Peace,
Ed

 

[Serap]

Now it’s about the children? Who is going to protect the children from the State forcing them to read a gay story book? Mom and Dad cannot opt out. It’s happening in Massachussetts right now.

massresistance.org/

Peace,
Ed

You guys don’t understand my words at all. Maybe you’re only reading what you want to read. I’m bowing out and unsbscribing from this thread. You guys are frustrating me too much.

I just hope you don’t point and judge others too much b/c you will be given the same love, understanding and forgiveness that you give to others.

Bye and God bless…

 

[Shredderbeam]

That is the argument those make who want the government to stop protecting the family unit. I find it a terrible position.

I wasn’t really being serious, but now that we’re on it, why is the legal establishment of marriage necessary if all of its functions can be reproduced by contracts?

fix:

It is not fair. In fact it is extremely unfair.

Well, that’s not good! Can you explain how?

 

[GW]

Weekend Debate: How Does Gay Marriage Law Hurt Heterosexuals and their Families?

Answer: tinyurl.com/qs7vfy

 

[Shaken]

I don’t think it should be called marriage. I can see supporting a legal arrangement where two people have the same rights as family members, especially if there is no other family. But, as Catholics, there is a standard to apply to the relationship. Just as there is a standard to apply to relations between men and women.

And I think that rage about this topic is a sin agaiinst the fifth commandment and that Catholics have to be concerned if rage is their reaction to this issue and the people involved. The lines to the local confessional should grow longer by the number of Catholics who post comments full of rage over this issue.

 

[Justin_A]

And I think that rage about this topic is a sin agaiinst the fifth commandment and that Catholics have to be concerned if rage is their reaction to this issue and the people involved. The lines to the local confessional should grow longer by the number of Catholics who post comments full of rage over this issue.

I totaly agree. This is actualy why I started this thread! Because other people became angry with me for saying no to gay marraige. I was called a “homofobe” and varios other names. Rage and anger never helped any thing. God is love. We can do nothing good accept through Christ. There for, love should be our reaction, not rage. SHOW that you follow God, don’t just say. And the way to do that is to “Love our enemys”. That dosen’t mean that you have to agree with them, just be kind and “turn the other cheek” when thay are mean to you. I think we could help many gays just by being Christ like.
Not by going after them and thinking they are dumb, wierd, or any thing ells.

 

[fix]

But the reality is that they ARE in these unions and these unions are NOT going away.

Then we need to start living and voting as Catholics. That includes judges and law-makers. These things happen because we refuse to be a sign of contradicion in this culture.

I don’t necessarily agree or understand gay marriage, but it’s here to stay. So what do we do to protect these children? Are we to pull them out of these homes and place them in orphanages?

That may very well be one answer.

Most of these children are loved and happy. What is best for them? What is best for them to see and feel God’s love?

Many are deceived and we have no right to oppose God based on our feelings. This is why the church teaches our consciences must be properly formed.