Should Government Take over Health Care?

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josephdavid said:
Yes she did. Did you? They are worried about abortion.Any Bill made to Law will be enacted by the Dept. of HHS. Which is undre the Hyde Amendment. They can not fund any medical procedure which is abortion.
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It has been clearly stated that the Hyde Amendment will not apply to this new bill. Why do you suppose the Bishops are concerned if the Hyde Amendment would apply?
 
fultonfish said:
Since healthcare services are so important, should we be willing to force certain individuals to become healthcare professionals, if for example they didn’t want to be in that field, but they took tests that indicated they had a natural ability in that field?
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Huh? what is your point?
 
fultonfish said:
Actually, no one lacks for basic necessities: food, shelter, basic medical care.

Between the government, private charities and religious groups, the basics are taken care of. That’s why there are so many welfare programs ranging from soup kitchens, food pantries, all sorts of counseling and social workers, Medicaid, and the ability to walk into emergency rooms and clinics for free health care.

If someone wants more than the basics, they have to be somewhat more creative that may include more extensive charitable or government assistance or worst case, taking a job.

The reason why people work is that they want more than just the basics or they want access to more than just the basics. If their desire to work was purely altruistic, then they would gladly work for free. However, most people want some financial remuneration that will allow them to pay for their material needs and wants.
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I pray to God that someday you get to understand what real life is like.
 
pathia said:
Sure, this is why I stumbled around homeless for six months and raided trashcans of fast food restaurants for food. I had to shift around several cities until I found a homeless shelter willing to let me just spend the night, I was not allowed in about a dozen of them before that, they didn’t want me using either bathroom, so asked me to try another shelter, and so did the next once…rinse and repeat.
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Pathia, by your own admission, your case is pretty unique.

However, every social grouping has some kind of rules. It doesn’t matter what the group is. If you don’t follow the rules, you are on your own.

If you join up with a bureaucracy, you have to do the paperwork or suffer through paperwork or in some cases get a case worker to fill out the paperwork.

If you go to a soup kitchen, you need to line up with the other patrons. And no fighting.

Normally, families are supportive. But you have stated that you are disowned by your family. And you say you have pulled away from the Catholic church.

I know people who have been thrown out of nursing homes; they were punching out the other residents and they refused medication to calm them down. Their relatives had to come for them and they gave their relatives a hard time (urinated in their cars). The only other alternative was what? Being arrested and taken to jail? There was a case in NYC about a homeless man who assaulted passersby. Turned out he had a large government pension and an apartment and wasn’t really homeless because he had an apartment and his family couldn’t do any thing with him.

So, Pathia, others have stated it and your medical story is tragic and at one level requires a lot of medical attention and at the chromosomal level is not treatable or curable. It’s obvious that we don’t have all the details. Social welfare agencies are available to help, but you have to cooperate with their requirements. I know of one large agency that will help, but you have to cooperate.

If you do move to the Netherlands, just keep in mind that they have their own rules. You many not know what the rules are yet. And most of Europe is rapidly become an Islamic state under Sharia Law.

What does someone in your position do? Pray a lot. Seriously. Deliberately tell Jesus you are putting your self in His Hands. Ask the Holy Spirit for direction and guidance. Say a daily Rosary. Pray for others; right this minute there are people who are in far worse situations than you are. [There are a lot of people on CAF who are concerned about your situation and who are praying for you.] Consider going to Confession and just telling the priest you want to be Catholic again. Get to weekly or daily Mass and Holy Communion.

An old pastor of mine used to say “God will provide”. Sounded simplistic at the time, but he was right: God does provide.
 
fultonfish said:
Pathia, by your own admission, your case is pretty unique.

However, every social grouping has some kind of rules. It doesn’t matter what the group is. If you don’t follow the rules, you are on your own.

If you join up with a bureaucracy, you have to do the paperwork or suffer through paperwork or in some cases get a case worker to fill out the paperwork.

If you go to a soup kitchen, you need to line up with the other patrons. And no fighting.
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The only rule that I broke was ‘look male or female’. They did not know where to house me. They feared I would be molested with the men, and they didn’t want the women to have to endure my presence either.
Normally, families are supportive. But you have stated that you are disowned by your family. And you say you have pulled away from the Catholic church.
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I pulled away from the church because they asked me to leave my partner or 6years and live entirely on my own. My struggle is hard enough on its own, yet they insist that I must without love as well. I’m sorry, I refuse to do that, I think they are wrong.
So, Pathia, others have stated it and your medical story is tragic and at one level requires a lot of medical attention and at the chromosomal level is not treatable or curable. It’s obvious that we don’t have all the details. Social welfare agencies are available to help, but you have to cooperate with their requirements. I know of one large agency that will help, but you have to cooperate.
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You haven’t named the agency, the others you have given me say I make too much money, so does medicare/medicaid. Also, if my ‘untreatable’ you mean ‘expensive’ then you are correct. There are ways to treat my condition, but they are not expensive. There are ways to completely undo what my chromosomes fail with me body, however it is too expensive here in this country. I get by by blackmarket imports from friends mailing me drugs from Europe and ordering things direct from India.
If you do move to the Netherlands, just keep in mind that they have their own rules. You many not know what the rules are yet. And most of Europe is rapidly become an Islamic state under Sharia Law.
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6% of Netherlands citizens practice Islam and they have a terrible voting turnout, they have no political power.

The rest is too private to mention.
 
GOP Set to Propose Its Own Health Bill

It would, among other things, propose new limits on medical malpractice lawsuits and make it easier for individuals and small businesses to pool resources to purchase insurance.

This administration and the trial lawyer lobby will never allow this…
 
To whom it may concern-

I think I see the problem…
People here are voting on/for things that work for them… WRONG!

As Catholics we are supposed to “live for others” as God has commanded us to. Therefore when you think in your mind about healthcare -please consider what is best for everyone and not just yourself!

Setting other nations aside, look only at AMERICA… Now think to yourself honestly and ask yourself this question…

In a hundred and fifty years, what will govornment-run healthcare look like?

Honestly -Do you see anything that might be offensive to GOD? I see cloning, selective breeding, abortion, stem cell research, mandated drugging of wierd people, and a whole lot of scientific testing etc. Also, I bet you will see a bunch of new “alternative” medicines mixed with Eastern type medicines which dont work but cost the govornment next to nothing. But they will say that it is the best treatment for you! Good luck with that.

Sorry, but that is not the future I want for my kids or your kids or anyone! Please THINK BIG when making BIG decisions.
 
TEPO said:
To whom it may concern-

I think I see the problem…
People here are voting on/for things that work for them… WRONG!

As Catholics we are supposed to “live for others” as God has commanded us to. Therefore when you think in your mind about healthcare -please consider what is best for everyone and not just yourself!

Setting other nations aside, look only at AMERICA… Now think to yourself honestly and ask yourself this question…

In a hundred and fifty years, what will govornment-run healthcare look like?

Honestly -Do you see anything that might be offensive to GOD? I see cloning, selective breeding, abortion, stem cell research, mandated drugging of wierd people, and a whole lot of scientific testing etc. Also, I bet you will see a bunch of new “alternative” medicines mixed with Eastern type medicines which dont work but cost the govornment next to nothing. But they will say that it is the best treatment for you! Good luck with that.

Sorry, but that is not the future I want for my kids or your kids or anyone! Please THINK BIG when making BIG decisions.
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I see that happeneing if we keep the statusquo. So whats the diff? If even one American ca’t access the healthcare system, then none has anyright to it.
 
aspawloski4th said:
I see that happeneing if we keep the statusquo. So whats the diff? If even one American ca’t access the healthcare system, then none has anyright to it.
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The difference is that this administration is not looking out for future generations. They are spending our children and grandchildrens future on governement waste.

One only needs to look at the mess they have made of Medicare. Seniors like myself have been paying into Medcare for the last 45 years without receiving a dime in benefits, now when it is time for the government to repay the tremendous cost to us, they are broke and cutting benefits. If they now take over all medical care for all people to feed their bumbling management our children and grandchildren will be paying all their lives and get nothing in return.
 
gakroeger said:
The difference is that this administration is not looking out for future generations. They are spending our children and grandchildrens future on governement waste.

One only needs to look at the mess they have made of Medicare. Seniors like myself have been paying into Medcare for the last 45 years without receiving a dime in benefits, now when it is time for the government to repay the tremendous cost to us, they are broke and cutting benefits. If they now take over all medical care for all people to feed their bumbling management our children and grandchildren will be paying all their lives and get nothing in return.
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My wife is on medicare because of disability. Her medicare at its worst is ten times better than any private plan I have had at its best. My parents with my father’s plan where he works, he hardly gets anything in return. Wish I could of had something as good as medicare when I still had a job.
 
aspawloski4th said:
My wife is on medicare because of disability. Her medicare at its worst is ten times better than any private plan I have had at its best. My parents with my father’s plan where he works, he hardly gets anything in return. Wish I could of had something as good as medicare when I still had a job.
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You (your wife) personally benefits from Medicare, therefore it’s a successful program?

If I pay $400/month for my rent-controlled apartment, and the city’s rent control policies drive up the prices of other comparable apartments to $800/month, do I get to claim that rent control is a great policy since I am on the inside looking out? (Free market value is obviously somewhere in between.)

Not saying your wife doesn’t deserve a safety net for her disability, but just pointing out that one case of someone benefiting doesn’t mean it’s a successfully-run program.
 
monorail said:
You (your wife) personally benefits from Medicare, therefore it’s a successful program?

If I pay $400/month for my rent-controlled apartment, and the city’s rent control policies drive up the prices of other comparable apartments to $800/month, do I get to claim that rent control is a great policy since I am on the inside looking out? (Free market value is obviously somewhere in between.)

Not saying your wife doesn’t deserve a safety net for her disability, but just pointing out that one case of someone benefiting doesn’t mean it’s a successfully-run program.
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If it wasnt for medicare I’d be a widower, sounds like to me that is of no imprtance to you. I highly doubt Im an exception to the rule.
 
Here is something the private sector cannot do.

So, if you want nationalized healthcare, check this out:

If you choose not to have health insurance, be aware of

HR 3962

Which makes it a misdemeanor or a felony (depending on how they apply the law) not to have “ACCEPTABLE” medical insurance?

Misdemeanor penalty is up to a fine of $25000 and a year in prison.

Felony penalty is a fine of up to $250000 and five years in prison.

All that just for not buying the right insurance policy.
 
gakroeger said:
It does not have to be an emergency to go to an emergency room. I have been to emergency rooms that have many people there waiting for treatment for very minor problems.

There are also free clinics and help available for prescription drugs. Plus many charitable organizations that will help. Have you called any agencies such as SVDP, Interfaith, etc.

I agree that we need to do more to help those in need, however, tearing down the current system (which is the best in the world) and putting everyone in jeopardy is not the way to fix the deficiencies.
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I don’t know where you live but health care and prescriptions for those that have barely an income to cover meds or none at all can’t get help…sorry…these people who have no income without medicaid, will get the bills and be harrassed from collectors after using ER services nor are they given good treatment. We do not have the best health care in the world…our culture and society doesn’t work at assisting us to be healthier, and give pills for everything under the sun… The poor and middle-class eat the cheaper food which is the worst for their health…corporate greed on all levels is involved in exploiting those with less and they do it in all different ways to make money…if we know so much why are people getting sicker…the same with our great psychiatry…more pills. The current system is corrupt and greedy…we need a public option and health care reform…Michael Moore you rock!!
 
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