Should homosexual acts be illegal from a Catholic & Government perspective?

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On a more serious note, I’m pretty disturbed by the similarities in argument between Catholics in this subforum and Muslims advocating for Sharia Law.
 
fix said:
Was the government oppressive before the year 2000 or so?
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it depends who you ask, and about what. the government has unquestionably been oppressive when it tries to regulate morality.

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DaddyGirl said:
It shouldn’t be made illegal from a government standpoint because…for the billions of people in the world who do not follow certain religions, homosexual acts are not “sinful” at all.
It would be like demanding Christians to not mix milk and meat. That food law does not apply to them because it is coming from the book of another faith.

Also…from the Catholic perspective, not sure how you’d make one “sin” illegal and not the others. Then you’d have to also make adultery, gluttony, lying…all of those sins to be illegal, too.
I can see it now…a kid sitting on a park bench, wolfing down a giant bag of potato chips…WHHOOSH come the cops! Of to jail with you!

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Being gay is a violation of The Natural Law, something that all humans know inherently. Even those who do not subscribe to our religion. All world religions reject homosexuality (or most anyway). Governments historically have rejected homosexuality. Social cultures have historically rejected homosexuality.

Dietary laws are not from The Natural Law. They are from The Divine Positive Law, which is specifically for the group being addressed.

According to your reasoning, there is no reason that an incestuous relationship between a Father and Daughter should be prohibited from a government standpoint. I am sure there are billions of non-religious people that have no religious regulations against such a thing. From a non-religious perspective, incest should be tolerated as an alternative lifestyle. Worried about birth defects? No problem, use contraception or have an abortion. Non-religious people have no qualms about these things so why not exercise them in the case of an incestuously conceived child?
 
livingwordunity said:
I wouldn’t have a problem with making sodomy illegal for everyone “gay” or straight. :)Simple, arrest anyone, “gay” or straight, who publicly admits to doing anal sex. Equal opportunity punishment. 🙂
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Fairwinds said:
that’s not enough evidence to convict. so how far are you willing to investigate these crimes?
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In court, a confession of guilt is usually evidence enough. I don’t know why you are trying to argue against that. 🙂
 
livingwordunity said:
In court, a confession of guilt is usually evidence enough. I don’t know why you are trying to argue against that. 🙂
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good luck trying with getting a conviction without other evidence that a crime actually occurred. I’m guessing you don’t do much criminal defense.

but maybe you’ve seen famous “I’m Spartacus” scene from the movie. the gay rights activists and any civil libertarian or anyone disgusted with that kind of that level of government intrusion would make a complete mockery of your idea.

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livingwordunity said:
I wouldn’t have a problem with making sodomy illegal for everyone “gay” or straight. :)Simple, arrest anyone, “gay” or straight, who publicly admits to doing anal sex. Equal opportunity punishment. 🙂
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I can only imagine you’re joking. But just in case you’re not, what would be the benefit of this in your view?

Even if it could be enforced, it wouldn’t change anyone’s sexual orientation, desire to form relationships, or actual forming of relationships. They just wouldn’t be having anal sex. 🤷
 
livingwordunity said:
I wouldn’t have a problem with making sodomy illegal for everyone “gay” or straight. :)Simple, arrest anyone, “gay” or straight, who publicly admits to doing anal sex. Equal opportunity punishment. 🙂
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Are you aware exactly what sodomy means in traditional Catholic theology? 1/4 of males and 1/5 of females in 2010 did oral sex which is sodomy; I’m personally not comfortable locking up 10% of the US let alone 20%.
 
livingwordunity said:
I wouldn’t have a problem with making sodomy illegal for everyone “gay” or straight. :)Simple, arrest anyone, “gay” or straight, who publicly admits to doing anal sex. Equal opportunity punishment. 🙂
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Do_Good_Then_Go said:
Even if it could be enforced, it wouldn’t change anyone’s sexual orientation, desire to form relationships, or actual forming of relationships. They just wouldn’t be having anal sex. 🤷
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I never said anything about trying to change “sexual orientation”. Please read my post. Notice that I said I wouldn’t be against making sodomy illegal for everyone “gay” or straight. Why do you believe that it would not be possible to have a relationship that doesn’t include sodomy? 🙂
 
livingwordunity said:
In court, a confession of guilt is usually evidence enough. I don’t know why you are trying to argue against that. 🙂
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Well that is not quite like that. While a guilty confession can be very helpful for a prosecutor it doesn’t work like I confessed and now I can be convicted. There are many evidentiary rules that have to be followed in order to make a confession admissible in Court and I can tell you right now cops are the worst following rules so many confessions end up excluded from Courts thanks to Cops. Second in order to be convicted the prosecutor has the burden of proof beyond reasonable doubt which is quite a hard standard to meet especially when we are talking about “moral issues.” And many times.prosecuting these things is not worthwhile for the State because it becomes too expensive and complicated. The best example is adultery which is a crime in MA. While is a crime nobody wants to prosecute adultery because because meeting the standard is so difficult is more of a burden in the end.
 
livingwordunity said:
Do you even know what Sharia Law is? Who in this thread has called for the death penalty for “gays”? 🙂
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No-one said that Sharia Law and the criminalisation of sodomy were the same thing. They said the arguments were similar. That is, people were saying that sodomy should be illegal because it contradicts ‘natural law’ and because it is objectively wrong in the eyes of God. The Muslims would be using the exact same arguments in defence of Sharia Law.
 
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