Should homosexual behaviour be criminalised?

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drac16 said:
Yes, I believe it should be a crime if it’s done in public. What you do behind closed doors is your own business, but when you start doing it publicly and openly, I think it should be punishable by law. Of course, every person deserves a fair trial and there need to be reliable witnesses who can testify that it happened. My understanding of homosexuality is based on the Sharia ; the Qur’an prescribes the penalty of lashing a fornicator if he/she is caught in the act.

Ummmm…

It’s illegal for a married couple to have sex in public. So you’re not discussing making homosexual acts illegal here; you’re discussing laws about exhibitionism.
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Prodigal_Son said:
Ummmm…

It’s illegal for a married couple to have sex in public. So you’re not discussing making homosexual acts illegal here; you’re discussing laws about exhibitionism.
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Well yeah, I oppose exhibitionism, but that’s not the end of it. Perhaps I wasn’t clear; sorry about that. I believe that if it can be proven than two [or more] persons were committing homosexuality, they should be punished by law. How can it be proven? well, that’s a bigger, longer discussion, but my understanding of fiqh is that there need to be reliable witnesses who saw two [or more] people committing homosexual acts. Am I advocating knocking on everyone’s door to see if they’re involved in homosexuality? no.

Let’s say there’s a party at someone’s house and there are twenty people at the house, two men upstairs are having sex together; is that a crime? I would say yes, according to what I see in the Sharia (which, again, I’m not an expert on).
 
drac16 said:
Well yeah, I oppose exhibitionism, but that’s not the end of it. Perhaps I wasn’t clear; sorry about that. I believe that if it can be proven than two [or more] persons were committing homosexuality, they should be punished by law. How can it be proven? well, that’s a bigger, longer discussion, but my understanding of fiqh is that there need to be reliable witnesses who saw two [or more] people committing homosexual acts. Am I advocating knocking on everyone’s door to see if they’re involved in homosexuality? no.

Let’s say there’s a party at someone’s house and there are twenty people at the house, two men upstairs are having sex together; is that a crime? I would say yes, according to what I see in the Sharia (which, again, I’m not an expert on).
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Ugh 😦
 
I would argue that it should always be a criminal act to engage in sexual contact with a minor, whether one is an adult or a minor. While there are states that grant an exception for minors having sex with other minors as long as the age difference is not too extreme, I don’t think giving aid and encouragement to, for instance, a 14 year old boy to engage in a homosexual act by someone of any age should be legal. There is a gathering movement within the LGBT community to normalize and decriminalize such behavior, when both people are underage, as in the recent case of the 17 year old who was having sex with a 14 year old girl, in defiance of the wishes of the 14 year old’s parents. This began a massive Facebook campaign and attracted a lot of media attention.

This is about to become a huge legal issue in Arizona as well, as a prominent LGBT rights activist who was employed by the mayor’s office was just arrested for sex with a 14 year-old minor: azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/20131118anti-bullying-activist-indicted-sex-abuse.html?nclick_check=1.

The man who was arrested is claiming that it was a “consensual relationship he had with a 14-year-old when he himself was 16-years-old, or at most, 17-years-old.” The LGBT activist was himself named in an earlier case as the victim of a gay police officer who was the departmental liaison to the LGBT community, before his own arrest for sex with two minors (the activist and another boy).

I would imagine a similar campaign is in the offing to declare that the first man’s relationship with the 14 year old was a consensual relationships and should be decriminalized.
 
Ragamuffingirl said:
My objection to homosexual behavior lies in my religious beliefs, and last time I checked, we have freedom of religion in this country.
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If your objection of homosexual behavior lies completely and only in your religious beliefs, then your understanding of it is very flawed. The natural law applies to all whether they believe in Jesus Christ or nothing at all.
 
YoungTradCath said:
If your objection of homosexual behavior lies completely and only in your religious beliefs, then your understanding of it is very flawed. The natural law applies to all whether they believe in Jesus Christ or nothing at all.
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understanding of what is very flawed?
 
If we spent less time pointing fingers and more time looking in the mirror then this world might be a tad better. :o
 
triumphguy said:
I agree: that’s why I am opposed to the “gay movement” and the “gaying” of our culture.

If the state should not interfere in the nation’s bedrooms, it also behooves us to keep our bedroom behaviour out of the eyes of our neighbours.

If you want to masturbate, commit adultery, engage in fornication or homosexual behaviour then please keep it private, and don’t politicize it.
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I agree, and this is where the train got derailed. Though I too am against the gay lifestyle, that did not imply I would treat them any less than hetoro’s Even if I deemed their acts totally immorral, I would not care to know or judge them in what they did privately. I don’t believe in the lifestyle, due to my faith, and I’d leave it at that.

The whole political circus around this issue forced you to have to defend what you believed morally. Clearly, to me , whether someone tells me they are gay, at no point does politics enter my frame of thinking. Yet, by this whole campaign by the gay movement. It’s not only very political, it’s in your face, nasty, and insulting.

The state imposing and taking a side, had no business being in the mix. They were used as an intrument, with a leverage of a crowbar to divide people on this issue until it gave. And it gave because, the gay movement tested the morality of the Western world and knew it was vulnerable. And they were right.
 
Pope Francis “declared that everyone was redeemed through Jesus, including atheists.” I think this includes gays. Ya know, it’s hard enough to get by on this planet as it is. Now, Catholics who are gay can either choose to live with the extreme guilt placed on them by the Church, or they can find another religion where they feel accepted and welcomed. I’m not gay, but I refuse to judge. God will judge. We should just love each other and try to get along as best we can…do good for and with each other. Who a person loves and who they have sex with is a minor thing in the big picture.
 
👍 I said this before, and I’ll say it again: The Catholic Church spends more time thinking about sex than I have in 13 years of marriage. Go figure.
 
if Homosexual behaviour is criminalized, i think the same should be applied to pre-marital sex, masturbation, and those sins that we heterosexuals have, I mean if their sins make them deserve Jail, why should ours do diferent?
 
NeedsMercy said:
👍 I said this before, and I’ll say it again: The Catholic Church spends more time thinking about sex than I have in 13 years of marriage. Go figure.
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YES!!! I have a lot of problems with the Church and my parish. My priest NEVER just talks to the congregation…he just spills out his overly rehearsed homily and that’s that. He never visits the CCD classes. It is so hard to make my son understand why we have to go to mass each week. Once in a while, he’ll go to church with my husband (his step dad) who is Methodist. Once in a while, I’ll go, too. I ENJOY the service there so much more than the ones of my church. The pastor engages the congregation…he delivers a message then TALKS about it. Something our priest never, ever does.

I sound like I’m getting off track, but the point I’m trying to make is, GET OVER THE SEX and start reaching the children, the people…ALL people. The bottom line. The main thing is LOVING GOD! Leave the bedrooms alone.
 
Oh please. You know very well that I was referring to a previous comment. Pope Francis disagrees too, go figure!
 
Chizzywinks said:
My son is gay. All I want is for him to find peace and happiness. He is Catholic and has received his First Holy Communion, was confirmed, and is the godfather to his little brother. He no longer goes to church, and I can understand why. It’s sad that the Catholic Church can’t accept all people, as God does.
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I very much agree with you. It is sad to see the constant hate on this forum when our Holy Father is trying to get us all on the right path.
 
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