Should homosexual people be allowed to visit their partners in hospital when it's 'family only'?

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Sharon and JoAnn had copies of their power of attorney and health care proxy with them, and copies were attached to JoAnn’s chart. And they had the cooperation and backing of JoAnn’s doctor. But after hours, after the doctor had gone home and the night nurse was in charge, all respect for the law and contracts went out the window. Whenever Sharon tried to be in the room with JoAnn to comfort her as she lay dying, the nurse screamed at her “You don’t belong here!”, and kicked her out.

As I think Other Eric would have done, right?
Why not? Christians are under no obligation to recognize “legal” documents that attempt to prop up a relationship that is, by its nature, intrinsically evil. Indeed, they are obliged to use whatever means at their disposal to tear such relationships apart. The nurse in this story ought to be commended for her courage in the face of the lie that is this particular same-sex couple’s “relationship.”
 
Why not? Christians are under no obligation to recognize “legal” documents that attempt to prop up a relationship that is, by its nature, intrinsically evil. Indeed, they are obliged to use whatever means at their disposal to tear such relationships apart. The nurse in this story ought to be commended for her courage in the face of the lie that is this particular same-sex couple’s “relationship.”
You state ‘lapsed Catholic’ as your religion. It appears what has lapsed is your humanity.
 
You state ‘lapsed Catholic’ as your religion. It appears what has lapsed is your humanity.
Don’t you understand? He obeys a Higher law.

Like the Priest and the Levite in Luke 10, who didn’t want to be seen to be giving any comfort to someone in the gutter, lest they be seen as countenancing sin. It was far more important that they keep up appearances as an inspiration to others than to act like a “Hallmark Christ”.

Just as it’s more important that parents keep their children away from school during the “Day of Silence” than it is to stop bullying. One can’t be seen to be giving any aid whatsoever to the UnGodly, regardless of sentimentality.
 
Yes, they should. You don’t know the ill person’s home situation or emotions. Their partner may be the most loved and cherished person in their lives. Heck, they could be THE only person in their lives. I don’t condone their lifestyle, of course, but homosexuals can feel more than lust for their partners. They can and often do feel love, and when one is ill, possibly near death, they should be allowed to see those whom they love most.
 
Yes, they should. You don’t know the ill person’s home situation or emotions. Their partner may be the most loved and cherished person in their lives. Heck, they could be THE only person in their lives. I don’t condone their lifestyle, of course, but homosexuals can feel more than lust for their partners. They can and often do feel love, and when one is ill, possibly near death, they should be allowed to see those whom they love most.
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Firstly, emotions are a poor substitute for reason as the basis for any type of behavior. Secondly, if the person with same-sex attractions has chosen to alienate him or herself from family, then they ought not be shielded from the consequences of such a rash decision. As for the supposed love of those who have same-sex attractions, we must be absolutely clear what it is.
“‘Love’ here must be put in quotation marks. For [homosexual ‘love’] is not real love such as male-female love (in its ideal state) may be or such as the love of normal friendships. What it is indeed is an adolescent sentimentality – puppy love – and erotic craving.” (1)
To accommodate such pathology in any way reinforces the delusion of the same-sex attracted individual and may ultimately push them farther away from God and deeper into their lusts. The Christian authentically living the Gospel can never be so callous.

(1) Aardweg, Gerard van den. The Battle for Normality: A Guide for (Self-) Therapy for Homosexuality. San Francisco, CA: Ignatius, 1997. p. 53.
 
(1) Aardweg, Gerard van den. The Battle for Normality: A Guide for (Self-) Therapy for Homosexuality. San Francisco, CA: Ignatius, 1997. p. 53.
One review of this book:
There are many other good books out there, too. Just avoid this particular one: it’s bad science, bad psychology (in fact, psychologists as a profession have denounced this approach to therapy), bad theology, and overall bad, bad advice.
I think it fair to say that it represents a distinctly minority view. There is no evidence that what he says is true, and a lot against. It does, however, provide a pseudo-scientific veneer for pre-determined conclusions based on religious belief. For this reason, amidst the thousands of books on the subject (which contradict his eccentric conjectures) it is often quoted - because there’s no others quite like it.

Some would say that this is evidence of a vast conspiracy to suppress the facts - even though there’s no facts in there, just unsubstantiated statements.
 
One review of this book:
I think it fair to say that it represents a distinctly minority view. There is no evidence that what he says is true, and a lot against. It does, however, provide a pseudo-scientific veneer for pre-determined conclusions based on religious belief. For this reason, amidst the thousands of books on the subject (which contradict his eccentric conjectures) it is often quoted - because there’s no others quite like it.

Some would say that this is evidence of a vast conspiracy to suppress the facts - even though there’s no facts in there, just unsubstantiated statements.
Whether this is a minority view or not is irrelevant. All that is relevant is whether or not this view is the truth. We could argue those merits in another thread, since in this one, therapy for those with same-sex attraction is off-topic.

Also, without knowing the identity of your reviewer, his familiarity with the science behind this particular brand of psychology or if he has any psychological training at all, it is impossible to give his review any credence. Such things matter a great deal, since, for example, if I were to ask a sixth-grader about the merits of a Shakespearean sonnet, his answer would probably not be worth much.
 
Voiced quite well in this : youtube.com/watch?v=GoWNnt4Fdh4

(Hear it through, if it offends you it’ll be over soon enough anyway… The point that hits home with me is that someone could be refused to see their partner of years and years because theyre not married, though they would happily be married if they could)
Not true.

The two people can go to a lawyer and legally designate each other as legal guardians and then no one can stop them from visiting each other.

How do I know? One of my clients are a homosexual couple who have done just that.

Therefore, it is a moot subject:D
 
Not true.

The two people can go to a lawyer and legally designate each other as legal guardians and then no one can stop them from visiting each other.

How do I know? One of my clients are a homosexual couple who have done just that.

Therefore, it is a moot subject:D
I had this and my partner was ejected repeatedly from the hospital.
 
That’s cold and cruel.
In what way? I simply stated a fact.
It may be amazing to some but gay people actually do more then have sex.they can “actually” love somebody.
And do a million other things, all of which are unrelated to the fact that they sodomise.
.And yes I think someone in a hospital situation should be allowed to see anyone he damn pleases.To limit to just"family" doesn’t take into consideration even very close friendships that could be vital to recuperation.
True, but the question was, if it’s family only, is a homosexual so-called “partner” a family member? Obviously not.
] I cannot see Jesus turning his back on someone because he was gay.
I cannot see myself or anyone here turning his back on someone because he suffers from same-sex attraction disorder; as you imply we have done.
Gay people are the lepers of our time-do you really think Jesus would reject them?
Do you really think Jesus would say, “if you repeatedly sodomise somebody, that makes you a family member”?
 
Hm. So what about lesbians then?
What, you think that what lesbians do isn’t sodomy??
And straight couples who practice anal sex?
I didn’t say “sodomising a family member makes you a non-family member”.
You are very narrow-minded.
For stating a simpe and obvious fact??
Besides which, I completely agree with juliamajor - being homosexual does not mean you have no emotions, nor do homosexual relationships exist devoid of love.
Where did I deny this?
So far, gay civil partnerships in the UK have lower rates of divorce than straight marriages.
I don’t believe you can prove this assertion, which in any case is totally irrelevant.
 
What, you think that what lesbians do isn’t sodomy?? I didn’t say “sodomising a family member makes you a non-family member”. For stating a simpe and obvious fact?? Where did I deny this? I don’t believe you can prove this assertion, which in any case is totally irrelevant.
My partner and I do not have any sort of sex. What is sodomy, without sex? Is hugging or kissing my partner sodomy then?
 
. He’s also told me how some parents could be “absolute s***s” towards the friends and partners of his patients, even while their sons were dying. He’s told me of how parents would disown their dying sons and then leave, refusing to allow their friends and lovers the consolation of seeing them or of having a memorial service - They would actually come back when the sons they had disowned had died and retrieve them so they could take them our of state so the people who loved them would be completely bereft.:crying:

I have to admit that I don’t know how I would deal with such cruelty.:banghead:
Actually it’s far more common for the so-called “lover/s” of the homosexual dying of AIDs or other STIs to completely abandon him and leave the horrendous job of caring for him through his last few agonising months/years to his long-rejected parents.
 
My partner and I do not have any sort of sex. What is sodomy, without sex? Is hugging or kissing my partner sodomy then?
If you want to try to unilaterally redefine the dictionary definitions of words like “sodomy” and “partner”, don’t blame me for your actions.
 
I think definitely they should be allowed. Why? Because “Family” is different for everyone. Whether we agree with their choice or not-their homosexual partner would be considered top Family to them (most likely number 1!!) So, who are we to control other peoples lives. In fact, I think it would be actually cruel not to “allow” them to see each other!!! What kind of weird teaching is that? Jesus ALWAYS said to love one another and NEVER to judge. When we limit who people can see and control them, this is judging. God doesn’t try to change us by forcing us to do anything, we all have freedom of choice and we should treat each other the same way. 👍
 
I think it would be actually cruel not to “allow” them to see each other!!! What kind of weird teaching is that? Jesus ALWAYS said to love one another and NEVER to judge.
No He didn’t. In fact He repeatedly told us to judge, and to make sure that we judge wisely.
When we limit who people can see and control them, this is judging.
Exact,ly and hospitals, and everybody else, make such judgments all the time. As they should and as Jesus taught.
God doesn’t try to change us by forcing us to do anything, we all have freedom of choice and we should treat each other the same way. 👍
Yes we all have the freedom to sin. But if we endorse another’s sin, we are commiting a sin ourselves. God doesn’t force us to do anything, but He warns us most vehemently that what we decide to do will most definitely have consequences.
 
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