Should I read Harry Potter books?

[adgloriam]

Yes I have and yes I can.

There is no need to read them to know what they are about. I have read the competent literary critics.

 

[adgloriam]

And a catholic claiming the contrary, like you, has the exact same burden upon him - only in reverse.

 

[Lou2U]

You’ve not read them. You don’t know what they are about.

 

[adgloriam]

You’ve not read them. You don’t know what they are about.

Yes I do. I have meet the children that were left has as un-catechized before reading them as they were after. I have read the synopses, and the summaries. The polemics undoutably, the apologetics of proponents and opponents. And I watched a bit of the movie - which I must say was utter jibberish.

 

[Lou2U]

I have meet the children that were left has as un-catechized before reading them as they were after.

That doesn’t make them automatically unchristian.

I have read the synopses, and the summaries.

That doesn’t mean you know what you are talking about with regards to the books.

And I watched a bit of the movie - which I must say was utter jibberish.

I agree. The films are not a patch on the books.

 

[BoomBoomMancini]

Replies like this drive me nuts. There’s always a more pious alternative to everything, but for most people, if they consume nothing but Catholic media and books, they’re going to burn out.

Taking a mental break with some fiction just for the sake of enjoyment is fine.

Although yeah, Harry Potter might be too juvenile for an adult.

 

[adgloriam]

Not quite so. And you arguments go to show :“Putting upon other a burden, they themselves don’t touch with a finger.”

So please, enlighten me -since your read the books- of the claims you lay. [I have justified every claim I made, so you claiming I said things I didn’t say.]

Da mihi factum dabo tibi jus.

 

[adgloriam]

adgloriam:

I have read the synopses, and the summaries.

That doesn’t mean you know what you are talking about with regards to the books.

Here lays the nuance. I never commented on the books beyond my knowledge. I comment only on several aspects of the polemics surrounding the books.

 

[Lou2U]

But it is beyond your knowledge if you’ve never read them, that’s my point. You say yourself “surrounding the books” - not in them.

 

[adgloriam]

Yes I have.

Yes you have:

In court you call in an informed expert on matters of expertise.

I mentioned one (enough): Edoardo Rialti - he read the books. There are hundreds of professional critics -who have read the books and are credible- and follow his line of critic.

I am not in court, neither does this thread follow that logic (more of mutually edifying debate, of learning, and exchanging ideas - catechesis in a way ). So, I did go to the effort of defining in the positive (which is always of merit) and I have withstood your attempts of contradictory.

What is more: My closing argument:

But it is beyond your knowledge if you’ve never read them

I don’t need to solve every single equation or read every single books: to know mathematics. QED.

 

[Lou2U]

Yes, this exactly. I mean no offence, but you don’t know what you are talking about if you haven’t read the books for yourself.

 

[JesusxInfinity]

Hello Great question. I have read all the books and seen all the books. I really only watched them because my cousins liked them and eventually I ended up getting hooked.

The Harry Potter books is an unique fantasy story, which dwells heavily on witchcraft. Sure, they mention Christmas and you see only Santa Claus (as usual and nothing about the birth of Jesus). Sure, the characters deal with discrimination, killings, friendships, schools and much more.

In my hones opinion, every single book has spells, even though they are not real, they are still spells in every single book. I learned that one of their plants, in real life is actually used for manipulating people or to make people agreeable. The difference between this fantasy story and The Lord of the Rings, is every single book has a wand and witchcraft (there’s no such thing as Wiccan, white or black magic is still witchcraft).

The point is that everything you expose yourself with eventually will shape your beliefs, likes or dislikes. Sometimes you will become desensitized (become less sensitive) to issues. For example, I have friends that go to Church, receive the Sacraments and pray and so on. However, they also go to Medium readings and watch movies with Ouijas. That’s a big no-no. You’re exposing yourself to unnecessary curiosities and perhaps getting evil spirits attached to you (from the medium readings). But it’s just a movie, well yes, but how many adults do things or watch indecent movies just because well “we’re adults”. They’re damaging their mind and values.

I’ve had an scary physical attack by the enemy once I gave up many things, like movies with any sort of degrading violence and witchcraft which was curious, because that same week I gave up the books/movies, I also prayed for Holiness and that’s when the attacks occurred for 3 weeks or so. I had to receive guidance from a priest in how to protect myself. And thanks to his advice, I have not gotten physical attacks (sadly, I still get many temptations), but I do get visits every now and then. Yes, I gave up Harry Potter after I reading several times from spiritual people (people that have been involved in the Church) mentioning that HP is a trap. I have been back to the Church for a few years and I’m learning to depend on the Holy Spirt and my Guardian Angel. When in doubt, just ask Jesus. Ask him to protect you from anything that might harm you or even displease him. For example, I no longer watch movies with adult scenes because it’s not proper and I know I will have to confess next time. I don’t know want to be embarrased or even hurt Jesus if I can take the time to prevent something simple like switch the channel or not read a book.

And when really in DOUBT, just FAST AND PRAY

Also, everyone seems to forget that the Bible mentions to stay away from witchcraft, so why expose yourself to a forbidden act even if it’s fake?

18 Top Bible Verses About Witchcraft - Warnings from Scripture

God warns us of the danger of using witchcraft and mediums. Here are Bible verses explaining how Satan uses witchcraft to deceive and destroy.

www.biblestudytools.com

I hope I made sense and if you have more questions please let me know.

 

[Francis]

Please read my above post, don’t have to keep repeating things here.please satisfy your curiosity to the max.everything about hp is evil till the core witchcraft,spells, magic,the list goes on and every thing in it is satanic.and which goes against the 10 Commandments which is very grievous,and the the consequence will be the lose of their souls or lose their Faith .

Today many kids read it for fun and passed it of as a friction ,tomorrow instead of relying on God,and the Sacraments,they’ll start going to real person who perform spells charms and magic, what every the children read enter their souls the effects would be later on in life.

2 Corinthians 11:3 But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ.

1 Corinthians 2:2 For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

Ecclesiastes 12:12 My son, beware of anything beyond these. Of making many books there is no end, and much study is a weariness of the flesh.13 The end of the matter; all has been heard. Fear God, and keep his commandments; for this is the whole duty of man. 14 For God will bring every deed into judgment, with[d] every secret thing, whether good or evil.

 

[simonjosiah1]

I don’t know how true this is but my dad told me that JK Rowling used real life spells for her books… so be careful if you read them.

 

[paperwight]

I don’t know how true this is but my dad told me that JK Rowling used real life spells for her books… so be careful if you read them.

Sorry, but your dad isn’t thinking this through. If the spells are real, how is it that they didn’t work when the actors used them in the films of the books?

 

[Francis]

Well,you see the label, it’s poison,you understand its poison, you don’t have to taste it, to know it poison,you see a duck ,and say its a duck ,you don’t have to kill and eat and taste it to know its a duck,its kind of funny how the comments are,hp is poison to the mind body and soul those who have it they don,t have to keep them at in the house just burn immediately its set apart for destruction.

Acts 19:17 And this became known to all residents of Ephesus, both Jews and Greeks; and fear fell upon them all; and the name of the Lord Jesus was extolled. 18 Many also of those who were now believers came, confessing and divulging their practices. 19 And a number of those who practiced magic arts brought their books together and burned them in the sight of all; and they counted the value of them and found it came to fifty thousand pieces of silver.20 So the word of the Lord grew and prevailed mightily.

in 2007, Father James LeBar, exorcist for the Archdiocese of New York, claimed that one in every 10 Catholics in the United States has either witnessed or been part of an exorcism. That’s not just an American trend – exorcisms are experiencing a revival the world over, particularly within Catholic traditions. Concerned by a growing interest in the occult and demonology, the Vatican began serious preparations as recently as 2007 to take on Satanism

According to Father James LeBar, “Ten years ago I had no cases and now I have three hundred.” What’s behind these dramatic numbers? Father Thomas Williams, the Dean of Theology at the Regina Apostolorum Pontifical University in Rome, stated on The Early Show in February of 2008 that, “There may be two reasons. One is that there’s an increased interest in the occult, even in Satanism. Where I live in Italy, Satanic worship is actually on the rise. And this is true for a lot of places in Europe. And the second reason I think is because people are less careful. Honestly, they maybe pray less. They play around with things they shouldn’t play with, and then they get into trouble…. Anyone can be possessed, but I think you really have to open yourself up to it. You have to be un-careful. And I think the spiritual demons, or bad angels, do exist, and I think it’s an extreme thing, but it happens sometimes.” Williams acknowledged that many cases of demonic possession in the past turned out to be the psychological diseases of today. For instance, Tourette Syndrome, schizophrenia and epilepsy were all thought to be caused by demonic forces at one time

 

[Francis]

@simonjosiah1
Yes what your dad said it true,millions of children who are led astray by such books, children are innocent, perverting their tender minds,who do not yet know what is make believe and what real. the spells where so powerful, that the books where sold in millions through out the whole world,the tragic part is that the released date and time, where at the same time everywhere so the effect of the magical spells will be powerful and effective this is definitely compromises the Christian values to the core.

such hp stuff should be avoided at any cost it’s satanic ,few children where even possessed, after reading HP books,other where getting angry,they misbehave violently ,disobedient,rude ,they can’t pray,nor complete their studies, the list is endless,they are not even aware of what’s wrong with themselves and parents take them to psychologist instead,what a pity,they should have taken them to an exorcist Catholic Priest instead, and some who are broad-mind,Christians who are not aware of the deceptions of satan, think it’s only fun and friction but are not aware of the consequence of such satanic books .advice others to burnt them is the best you can do.

 

[Francis]

The point is that everything you expose yourself with eventually will shape your beliefs, likes or dislikes. Sometimes you will become desensitized (become less sensitive) to issues

Yes, I gave up Harry Potter after I reading several times from spiritual people (people that have been involved in the Church) mentioning that HP is a trap. I have been back to the Church for a few years and I’m learning to depend on the Holy Spirt and my Guardian Angel.

Also, everyone seems to forget that the Bible mentions to stay away from witchcraft, so why expose yourself to a forbidden act even if it’s fake?

The Catholic Church too say the same

Well said, hope other’s come to realize the facts of hp and it’s consequences.God Bless

 

[Francis]

Harry Potter series is bad for kids, and have always been surprised when Christian parents defended the books. It is bad for children to see a “hero” such as Harry Potter using the powers of evil and witchcraft to solve his basic problems,while in reality God has blessed us with many gifts.parents who allowed their children to read these dark books had to go through a tough time. I can understand people who don’t know the Bible or the teaching of the Church, letting their kids read them. They think of the books as innocent fantasies. But Christians who understand God’s condemnation of witchcraft, which is prominent throughout the Bible, should know better. With Rowling’s revelation, many parents are realizing their mistake.

Rowling majored in mythology in Exeter University in England. In her Harry Potter books she uses material from various pagan religions (including the Druids), witchcraft, Satanism, and dozens of spells and incantations. It should be obvious to anyone who views the books objectively that they are designed to make the evil religion of witchcraft acceptable to young, impressionable children.

 

[Francis]

Do you need to taste poison? ,i tell you the whole story and you ask who is hp and jk and what they contain (an expression ),which part? funny the whole thing.

JK Rowling claims that her heroes are witches of “white magic” who fight the evil forces of “black magic.” This is ludicrous. Anyone who practices witchcraft, which involves manipulating and controlling others through the use of incantations and spells,magic etc is evil and is against faith and morals. People who support the Harry Potter books say that witchcraft is nonsense, and therefore these books are just innocent fun,friction. But witchcraft is real, and its source is satan, the father of all evil Jn 8:44. If witchcraft does not exist, then God is mistaken.

Deuteronomy 18:9-12 There shall not be found among you any one who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, any one who practices divination, a soothsayer, or an augur, or a sorcerer, 11 or a charmer, or a medium, or a wizard, or a necromancer. (here even reading,listening,reading portraying all kinds)12 For whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord; and because of these abominable practices the Lord your God is driving them out before you.
I am amazed when some confused Catholic (who seems never to have read the Bible nor the Catechism) but zealously write in defense of hp,it is clear the effect of the spells, But the Potter books have become darker and darker with each new edition. Human sacrifice, sucking blood from dead animals, and possession by spirit beings have all been depicted in the series.While reading Bible-based material Catholic teachings is banned in American schools, the religion of witchcraft, repackaged through Harry Potter, is being given a powerful position through which to influence the children’s minds and spirits in the public schools. This is just one more reason which is not at all acceptable.