Should I Respond to an "Anti-Invitation to Christmas"?

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Well, and just now I just received a very interesting e-mail … and a happier one.

I’ve just been invited to attend a Christmas Candlelight Service tonight at a Protestant church across town by a lady who has proven herself time and again to be a good friend during the course of this year, so now I have something to look forward to that I can happily accept. 🙂

 
Well, and just now I just received a very interesting e-mail … and a happier one.

I’ve just been invited to attend a Christmas Candlelight Service tonight at a Protestant church across town by a lady who has proven herself time and again to be a good friend during the course of this year, so now I have something to look forward to that I can happily accept. 🙂

I am very happy for you:)

Now you can just reply this to the original text…".ok thank you "- don’t put anything else…if they had kind motives, they will be fine…if they had bad motives, well, they have to live with that.

It’s rude not to answer, and this way, this keeps peace as well.
 
Thank you, mommyk, 🙂

I’ve gone ahead and sent a message saying “ok thank you” to my relative.

And meanwhile, I just came back from running a quick errand to buy much-needed new shoes … and “coincidentally” ran into two acquaintances … a man in my parking lot, and a lady I held the door open for at the store I was coming out of … I updated the man on the good news that happened to me earlier this year (that my relative didn’t seem to want to hear), and the man in the parking lot smiled real big and we wished each other Merry Christmas. As for the lady at the store, as she was going through the door, she stopped, looked at me, and said, “Aren’t you the one who … ?” … also referring to my good news. I updated her as well, we wished each other Merry Christmas, and now I’m home eating lunch.

I think the Lord is trying to tell me something through the coincidences / friendly people that I’m encountering today. Because the lady who invited me to the Christmas Service tonight is in large part responsible for the good news that’s happened to me this year. So that’s like three confirmations in about an hour that I’m on the right path.

There are many times when I think myself similar to Joseph of the Coat of Many Colors.

Maybe someday things will turn around with my family.

 
I think I’d reply: Thanks for not putting me on the spot, I appreciate that, but if it is not too late to fit me in, I’d actually be happy to come. If not, though, of course I understand. Sorry I’ve been out of the loop with you, it has been busy. Hope you’re all doing very well and if Christmas doesn’t work out we really do need to make a time to get together."

In other words, assume the best possible intentions were meant, even if the explanation for accepting your regrets before you offered any was indeed clumsy.
 
Replying “okay, thank you” doesn’t get you any further on - are you thanking him for his good wishes for your job, or for the half proferred invitation? Or thanking him for his understanding that this year you won’t be able to come - although it appears that you can, and would be willing to, if only you knew where you actually stood…

Stop faffing around and just sort it out…! Properly.

As a side bar I lived in California for three years in the seventies and entertaining was part of my husband’s job. And I have to say I was driven mad by poor or inaccurate responses to invitations…In England we generally let people know whether or not we accept an invitation, and follow through accordingly. In California we often had guests who didn’t accept but turned up anyway, or did, and then didn’t arrive…not sure if this is a national characteristic or just common in laid back California.

And on one occasion which still makes us laugh, a guest whose wife was well known to us, suddenly turned up only a few weeks after we had previously entertained them with a new and much younger wife, with no explanation as to what had happened to Number 1 in the brief interval.

Odd. Very odd! And something of a trespass on one’s good manners!
 
Replying “okay, thank you” doesn’t get you any further on - are you thanking him for his good wishes for your job, or for the half proferred invitation? Or thanking him for his understanding that this year you won’t be able to come - although it appears that you can, and would be willing to, if only you knew where you actually stood…

Stop faffing around and just sort it out…! Properly.

As a side bar I lived in California for three years in the seventies and entertaining was part of my husband’s job. And I have to say I was driven mad by poor or inaccurate responses to invitations…In England we generally let people know whether or not we accept an invitation, and follow through accordingly. In California we often had guests who didn’t accept but turned up anyway, or did, and then didn’t arrive…not sure if this is a national characteristic or just common in laid back California.

And on one occasion which still makes us laugh, a guest whose wife was well known to us, suddenly turned up only a few weeks after we had previously entertained them with a new and much younger wife, with no explanation as to what had happened to Number 1 in the brief interval.

Odd. Very odd! And something of a trespass on one’s good manners!
Yes. The proper response to this clumsy non-invitation could still be honest: Well, actually, I didn’t want to invite myself, but I would have been happy to come. The rain certainly wouldn’t keep me from coming, even now.

Then be gracious: Still, I would not want to impose by jumping into your plans at this late time. We’ll have to get together sometime over the holidays, though, OK?

Then follow up and get together with them. (OP: If the lifting involved in doing ongoing care of the relationship wasn’t a priority for you in the first place, please don’t get worked up about not being invited to the home of someone you honestly don’t care about enough to exert yourself to see, OK? In that case, the only difference is under-the-radar social clumsiness rather than overt social clumsiness.)
 
Easter Joy:

Apparently you haven’t read all the posts in this thread. There was one, for example, in which I mentioned calling my relative only to have my call not be returned, and then when I was able to see her in person and mention the topic I had called about in a light, pleasant way in case she hadn’t received my message … she didn’t seem open to talking much.

Besides that, you’re making incorrect assumptions. In fact, I have “exerted myself” to make the long drive, bring gifts, and share what I had thought were cordial visits, yes, more than one visit … with this relative and her family … I considered it a small miracle for instance when I received a real invitation earlier this year (as opposed to this non-invitation now) to drive up for my godchild’s First Holy Communion. I happily accepted, considered it an honor to be present for such an important occasion, and it looked at that time like some real healing could finally occur in the family. I remember the children’s birthdays and holidays with cards and gifts when I’m not able to be there personally, and we’ve talked on the phone. I’ve certainly tried reaching out over the years. And will continue to, despite this apparent setback.

 
Replying “okay, thank you” doesn’t get you any further on - are you thanking him for his good wishes for your job, or for the half proferred invitation? Or thanking him for his understanding that this year you won’t be able to come - although it appears that you can, and would be willing to, if only you knew where you actually stood…

Stop faffing around and just sort it out…! Properly.

As a side bar I lived in California for three years in the seventies and entertaining was part of my husband’s job. And I have to say I was driven mad by poor or inaccurate responses to invitations…In England we generally let people know whether or not we accept an invitation, and follow through accordingly. In California we often had guests who didn’t accept but turned up anyway, or did, and then didn’t arrive…not sure if this is a national characteristic or just common in laid back California.

And on one occasion which still makes us laugh, a guest whose wife was well known to us, suddenly turned up only a few weeks after we had previously entertained them with a new and much younger wife, with no explanation as to what had happened to Number 1 in the brief interval.

Odd. Very odd! And something of a trespass on one’s good manners!
Actually just saying thank you is weeding out the bad motives of the person who uninvited phoniex of there is any. They will be wondering why they are being thanked.

If it was done on a mean way, saying just thank u ends drama.

If it just a thoughtless text, then no harm done as it’s polite to thank people.
 
vEaster Joy:

Apparently you haven’t read all the posts in this thread. There was one, for example, in which I mentioned calling my relative only to have my call not be returned, and then when I was able to see her in person and mention the topic I had called about in a light, pleasant way in case she hadn’t received my message … she didn’t seem open to talking much.

Besides that, you’re making incorrect assumptions. In fact, I have “exerted myself” to make the long drive, bring gifts, and share what I had thought were cordial visits, yes, more than one visit … with this relative and her family … I considered it a small miracle for instance when I received a real invitation earlier this year (as opposed to this non-invitation now) to drive up for my godchild’s First Holy Communion. I happily accepted, considered it an honor to be present for such an important occasion, and it looked at that time like some real healing could finally occur in the family. I remember the children’s birthdays and holidays with cards and gifts when I’m not able to be there personally, and we’ve talked on the phone. I’ve certainly tried reaching out over the years. And will continue to, despite this apparent setback.

Don’t get me wrong: that was a clumsy try at remembering you, at the very best.

Sorry. I should have worded that differently. I meant to* ask* whether the family has been expected to do most of the inviting, since in many families this is an unrecognized source of resentment: that is, the unmarried family members or the couples without children don’t do the inviting and never host because the hosting slips so easily from the parents to the next-generation family members who have children of their own (and usually bigger homes.) A few years go by, it is noticed that the family members without children have a lot more disposable income than those who are blessed with children, and you know where it goes from there. It may have nothing to do with you, but when there is some unexplained iciness that did not exist in your childhood, it is worth looking for reasons for it. If the iciness existed since childhood or if some in-law decided from the start not to like you, it has this way of lasting past all rationality. Don’t go there.

The gracious response is still honest enough to imply “nice try but REALLY?!?”, even though it doesn’t come out and say it. It always pays to be a lot more gracious than you’d like, provided you still keep your boundaries–for instance, not lying about whether you would have let rain slow you down in the least.

Yes, I think the thing to do is to continue to keep a connection to the children. At some point, they’ll be the ones issuing the invitations, after all.
This is the same relative who I tried calling earlier this year when I had good news to pass along. The relative ended up being out of the house, never did return my call, and when I tried conveying the same news in person in a light, pleasant manner just in case my message never got through … well, let’s just say that her husband had treated me much friendlier on the phone than she did in person.
This sounds very much like someone who bears a grudge against you that she can’t admit to you directly. It may be as simple as being jealous that her life is not more like yours. I could go on with conjectures pulled out of thin air, but whatever it is, you cannot help that. You are right that you’re most likely going to stir up a hornet’s nest by investigating, rather than get any real answers.

Yes, just keep being pleasant to the family, and try to chalk up the relative’s social faux pas to her lack of grace, not to anything you did. A gracious person might figure out how to avoid inviting a really toxic relative, but would never send a text like the one you described. It is not likely that you two will ever be close, but the rest of the family probably likes you just fine. That is probably closer to par for the course than any of us like to think.

Who knows? She could resent that she lives close to everyone in the family and is expected to take a turn hosting whereas you aren’t because you live so far that the rest of the family doesn’t want to drive to your house for Christmas. It isn’t your fault that the family doesn’t want to include you in deciding who ought to host, but most grudges like this aren’t rational.
 
I am amazed that so close to Christmas who is going to spend it with whom hasn’'t been long settled.

You could read this email as your prospective host gently fishing to discover whether you are in fact going - even if you usually spend Christmas with someone it is always good to know definitely each year that they still intend to.come, especially if they are staying over.

This sounds to me as though he just wants to know how many beds to change, because you haven’t actually said you are going but is giving you a graceful get out if you do indeed have other plans.

So if you want to go just say you’d love to join them as usual - and if you prefer to spend Christmas alone or elsewhere, then you have a ready made excuse in the new job.

But there is absolutely no reason to cause upset, not least because emails are not the most nuanced methods of communication.

I expect his wife just said “for heaven’s sake just contact your cousin/friend/brother and find out if he is coming or not…”
I suspect this is the case. I have a couple family members that I never know if they’re coming or not. It’s really irritating.
 
I suspect this is the case. I have a couple family members that I never know if they’re coming or not. It’s really irritating.
Yes, but you do issue an invitation every year, right? You don’t just expect someone who was never invited to your Christmas festivities to presume to send you an RSVP for an invitation you never issued?
 
I suspect this is the case. I have a couple family members that I never know if they’re coming or not. It’s really irritating.
It might help you to read through the whole thread before reaching conclusions.
Thanks.
 
Sorry. I should have worded that differently. I meant to* ask* whether the family has been expected to do most of the inviting, since in many families this is an unrecognized source of resentment: that is, the unmarried family members or the couples without children don’t do the inviting and never host because the hosting slips so easily from the parents to the next-generation family members who have children of their own (and usually bigger homes.)
Hi Easter Joy,

As for hosting gatherings in the family, there are two strikes against me …
  1. I’m single (which actually could be worked around, I think)
  2. I’m the only one who lives in a different state … the entire rest of the family lives within about a ten minutes to an hour and a half drive away from each other. So they do the hosting, I do the driving. But hey, if they all want to drive out to where I live, they’d be welcome for Thanksgiving or Christmas, … we would just have to get creative about my living in a small apartment.
So that could be a partial explanation. Thing is, there’s a lot more going on in the family dynamics and it’s been going on for years, unfortunately. It all started going downhill once my grandparents and father died … they kept peace in the family. I’ve earlier mentioned that I identify with Joseph and the Coat of Many Colors … there are reasons for this.

Hopefully, things will improve one day. Years of prayers have been said for this intention. More would be appreciated.

Thanks for your comments.

… and now it’s time for me to head out for the Community Christmas Candlelight Service. 🙂

 
Yes, but you do issue an invitation every year, right? You don’t just expect someone who was never invited to your Christmas festivities to presume to send you an RSVP for an invitation you never issued?
Actually, no. In our family, Christmas is celebrated on the 25th of December. We don’t do formal invitations. We call each other and tell each other what time dinner will be served and let each other know whether we will be there for dinner, or dessert, or not coming at all, and what we’re bringing for dinner And it really wouldn’t be unusual for this ritual to be initiated the week prior to Christmas, probably by whoever ends up making their grocery list first. However, our celebration is just my mother, step-father, and my siblings and their families. We generally communicate on a consistent basis. If we were having a celebration that involved cousins, aunts, uncles, etc, then we’d send invites. But Christmas is pretty much the same people every year.
 
It might help you to read through the whole thread before reaching conclusions.
Thanks.
I read through the whole thread. Have you any actual reason to believe that your relative holds something against you? Did you fight with her? Do you generally go to this celebration? Would this relative have reason to assume you would or would not come? What if maybe, just maybe, she hasn’t heard from you about Christmas (which is being celebrated in two days) and she just clumsily asked you if you plan to come or not, without any malice whatsoever? I mean, I totally agree that “You coming or not?” would be clearer and preferable to “I’m sure you don’t want to, but are you coming?”, but I don’t see any reason to assume this means she doesn’t want you to come.
 
Actually, no. In our family, Christmas is celebrated on the 25th of December. We don’t do formal invitations. We call each other and tell each other what time dinner will be served and let each other know whether we will be there for dinner, or dessert, or not coming at all, and what we’re bringing for dinner And it really wouldn’t be unusual for this ritual to be initiated the week prior to Christmas, probably by whoever ends up making their grocery list first. However, our celebration is just my mother, step-father, and my siblings and their families. We generally communicate on a consistent basis. If we were having a celebration that involved cousins, aunts, uncles, etc, then we’d send invites. But Christmas is pretty much the same people every year.
The OP did not get a call saying what time dinner would be served or anything else having to do with Christmas. The OP only got a text that essentially said: We’re sorry you probably can’t come because you’re so busy. Don’t feel bad, it would have been an icky drive. Hope you’re doing well.

We both agree that this was a ham-handed way to handle this. Either say, “We invited you–are you coming or not?” or “We’re sorry we didn’t send you an invitation, but ____.” The OP got neither.

The OP might have written back, “I never heard anything from you, so I didn’t assume I was invited. I would have accepted an invitation in a heartbeat, but I didn’t want to just presume I was invited.”
 
But yeah, I really shouldn’t feel like I have to walk on eggshells with family, should I?
Not sure why not. They’re the only people I have to walk on eggshells with myself. If a friend is irritating or rude, and I say something snarky in return, well, worse comes to worst, I never really have to see them again. If you do that with family, you can create problems for decades.

Please make sure that you’re not being over-sensitive. Your relative may just have had a bad day when you mentioned your good news. Word may have gotten back that you were miffed about it and now she feels awkward.

You can’t hardly tell online, but this response:
It might help you to read through the whole thread before reaching conclusions.
Thanks.
… and some of the ways you’ve reacted to your relative makes me think that sometimes you may be just a hair quick to take offense or possibly just to sound offended. I mean, if the relationship there is actually as bad as you imply, why would you think you were invited to her house? Even if you were invited, why would you want to go?

Maybe I’m just confused and from a dysfunctional family so that the idea of family being people you don’t walk on eggshells with has made my head explode. 😃

Merry Christmas, however you spend it (oh! If I could spend it alone myself, what peace!).

–Jen
 
Remember you aren’t actually required to spend Christmas with family. My extended family are like this, after certain people die it’s like the cracks stop being smoothed over. I sometimes wish we could all just admit we don’t get on, don’t have much in common and just accept that we aren’t close. It sounds like you have other people you are closer to so focus on them.
 
… why would you think you were invited to her house?

Merry Christmas, however you spend it (oh! If I could spend it alone myself, what peace!).

–Jen
But you see, I didn’t think I was invited to her house. As has already been explained earlier in this thread.

Anyways, I have been provided with some good advice from kind-hearted people on this thread, so for that I’m grateful. And I’ve followed that advice, so it’s in God’s hands now.

And in any case, I thank God for providing friends for me this year to spend the Christmas season with.

Merry Christmas to you, too! 🙂

 
I think you and all your relatives need to take a short course in how to communicate clearly, because I thought the whole point of this thread was that you had assumed for some reason that you were invited, and felt you were being put off by the somewhat lukewarm email.

(Speaking as someone who earns a living from putting the right words in the right places I now feel like knocking everyone’s heads together…)

If you WEREN’T invited, didn’t EXPECT to be invited and aren’t disappointed NOT to be invited, I can’t think why any of us, including you, have wasted four virtual pages discussing it…

We will never speak of this again…

God bless us (and help us!) every one! And happy Christmas to you all…
 
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