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Wirraway
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very well thought out response. I can’t disagree on much except the last. I married late and am definitely cut out for it. actually had the pleasure of being introduced to a daughter’s date as I cleaned a shotgun.
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Wirraway
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are you saying that we should do only things explicitly permitted by God? so that if He is silent on the issue, we shouldn’t do them?No, I said being with the opposite sex at a young age for no reason ordained by God will bring no protective graces that a young man and women have when sincerly looking to form a family.
in the novel The Name of the Rose, there’s a huge medieval theological dispute over whether humor should be suppressed by the Church because Jesus never laughed.
honestly, dinner and a movie just to have a fun evening out isn’t a mortal sin.
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Pro_Domina
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Everything must be for the greater glory of God.
Even having fun. It has to have a purpose.
What is the purpose of risking that a near occasion sin comes out? You think it is really hard for bad things to happen?
The Devil really facilitates thinking when it comes to making them sin.
Playing a game of football is good as long as it is for the children to burn energy and avoid sin. If it becomes a thing to show off then it is wrong.
Dating is for constituting a family. Period.
Even having fun. It has to have a purpose.
What is the purpose of risking that a near occasion sin comes out? You think it is really hard for bad things to happen?
The Devil really facilitates thinking when it comes to making them sin.
Playing a game of football is good as long as it is for the children to burn energy and avoid sin. If it becomes a thing to show off then it is wrong.
Dating is for constituting a family. Period.
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Wirraway
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recreation, and especially a lot of forms of competition, is mentally and physically healthy, that’s hardly an unGodly purpose.Everything must be for the greater glory of God.
Even having fun. It has to have a purpose.
looking for sin everywhere isn’t mentally healthy.What is the purpose of risking that a near occasion sin comes out? You think it is really hard for bad things to happen?
The Devil really facilitates thinking when it comes to making them sin.
have you ever been in a locker room?Playing a game of football is good as long as it is for the children to burn energy and avoid sin. If it becomes a thing to show off then it is wrong.
let’s pretend you have a 17 year old son who asks to borrow the car to take his girlfriend to the movies. alone. unattended by a chaperone. he’s nowhere near mature enough to get married. you’re really going to tell him no because “dating is for constituting a family. period.”?Dating is for constituting a family. Period.
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Pro_Domina
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1 I said thatrecreation, and especially a lot of forms of competition, is mentally and physically healthy, that’s hardly an unGodly purpose.
looking for sin everywhere isn’t mentally healthy.
have you ever been in a locker room?
let’s pretend you have a 17 year old son who asks to borrow the car to take his girlfriend to the movies. alone. unattended by a chaperone. he’s nowhere near mature enough to get married. you’re really going to tell him no because “dating is for constituting a family. period.”?
2 Avoiding it is
3 Yes, I was a HS athelete
3 Depends on his moral life and the girls and with other moral Catholics his age. And at 17 he could start to get to know a girl but it better be a long serious wait to the altar.
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chevalier
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Yes, dating someone you know you will never marry is a waste of time. This does not mean having a coffee or a talk or dancing or whatever is a waste of time, but having a romantic relationship which is presupposed to finish at some point already before it begins, is futile and I would say natural law dictates it shouldn’t be had.I most certainly do. My ultimate goal is to do my very best to a make a girl happy. Point is I don’t date girls who I don’t think are suitable for marriage as it is a waste of both of our time. Are you saying I should pick any girl to date just for experience? That sounds like using some1 just for my own personal gain.
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chevalier
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Yes, Wirraway, you are right that dating just for fun is wrong. Using the sexual faculty just for fun is wrong - this does not mean sexual acts, but in general this area of life. Kissing just for fun is wrong. Cuddling just for fun is wrong. This is because those things were not given to us just for fun. This is true not only of children unready to marry yet, but of every person.the OP asks “Should kids date ?”] and a sample of eight thread responses shows a strong preference for preventing or delimiting the practice:
Dating is training in divorce.
*The purpose of dating is to get married *
Dating just to date is wrong
dating just to do it leads to lot of problems
We date to discern who is right for in Holy Matrimony.
*If I had my way, nobody under the age of 21 would “date”… *
NO! … The purpose of dating/courting is to prepare for marriage.
one on one dating is a horrible idea because it doesn’t lead to anything good, in most cases
I’m at a complete loss for words in how to further respond. God forbid a couple dates just for fun without the motive of spouse evaluation. at least no one has called dating it a sin. yet.
I don’t know where people get this idea that kissing for fun is OK. Spin the bottle anyone? Nope, just wrong.
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Wirraway
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ok… I didn’t say that dating for fun is wrong so be careful about what you attribute to me. others have said this, I was quoting them.Yes, Wirraway, you are right that dating just for fun is wrong. Using the sexual faculty just for fun is wrong - this does not mean sexual acts, but in general this area of life. Kissing just for fun is wrong. Cuddling just for fun is wrong. This is because those things were not given to us just for fun. This is true not only of children unready to marry yet, but of every person.
I don’t know where people get this idea that kissing for fun is OK. Spin the bottle anyone? Nope, just wrong.
its to the point where I can’t tell whose leg is being pulled anymore (so its probably mine), but I’ll say this idee fixe with patently preposterous propositions like “kissing just for fun is wrong” “cuddling is a sin” and “we only date for matrimony” and the like is way, way, way beyond the point of sheer lunacy and I’m pretty sure that one side or the other in this conversation is not living on planet earth. if this is this a monty python skit holy macker’l stop the bus and let me off.
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Feste_1242
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http://www.council-of-elrond.com/forums/images/smilies/lol.gif That’s not an everyday opportunity.actually had the pleasure of being introduced to a daughter’s date as I cleaned a shotgun.
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chevalier
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Careful also. It was irony. You mockingly repeated that claim and in turn I confirmed that yes, you were right without knowing it, i.e. the claim you repeated in jest was actually true. But let’s not get so dramatic maybe.ok… I didn’t say that dating for fun is wrong so be careful about what you attribute to me. others have said this, I was quoting them.
What is preposterous in that? Would you allow your children to play spin the bottle?but I’ll say this idee fixe with patently preposterous propositions like “kissing just for fun is wrong”
It is not. But if it’s done indiscriminately with a broad range of people of the opposite gender, then something is obviously amiss. A matter of propriety more than morality for those who do it, I suppose, but probably a serious matter for parents of children who do it, who have to deal with it somehow.“cuddling is a sin”
If you consider yourself bound to marry someone after you’ve had one dinner with him or her, then yes. However, full blown romantic dating in complete abstract from any thought of ever marrying, now that’s something to call sheer lunacy.and “we only date for matrimony” and the like is way, way, way beyond the point of sheer lunacy
Spare me Monty Python. Instead tell me how it can be right to go around kissing and cuddling various people one doesn’t even think of staying together with (or any notion of a permanent relationship), other than keeping it real and not being uptight?and I’m pretty sure that one side or the other in this conversation is not living on planet earth. if this is this a monty python skit holy macker’l stop the bus and let me off.
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fannypanny
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well here is my 2cents worth…Should kids date? It’s common to see teens date nowadays. But should they be dating? The purpose of dating is to get married but the kids are immature.
i think you need a perspective from someone who is currently around your age. Well, i would if i were asking the question. Well, Im currently 18 and i have not been out with anyone - not that I havent been asked out or have some sort of social problem(as society would probably conclude - and it’s not like i don’t feel the pressure to get a bf). But the thing is - why would i need to date during my schooling years?? I mean, when you think about it - you will probably live for a good solid 70+ yrs. And when you put it down to your age - which could be (im taking a guess that your - 16ish) so thats = 16/70. That is not even half of your life. I would personally wait till you get out of school. You do have about roughly another 10 - 15yrs in which to get married. The fact is - the highschool sweet heart scenario only rates as a 20% chance. So thats not even half the population. I wouldnt take my chances. If your like me and want to get married at 25-27yrs. Why rush things?? like i always say, dont go hunting for the guy/girl, let them come in search of you.
Also when you hit college or uni. You can be more open because you are single. There will be plenty more fish in the sea when you hit this stage in life.
You can save your self the heart break or the feeling to have lost out the hours in your life which you ended spending with your ex-bf/gf who is not your husband/wife.
well personally i think the ideal age to start searching is around the age of 20.
well i hoped that helped!!
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Wirraway
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not anymore.Careful also. It was irony. uptight?
honestly, I can’t take this thread seriously, and so as not to detract from the discussion, I shall withdraw from it.
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