Should Latin mass be brought back?

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ICEL still exists, although they’ve been renamed.

There have been at least three translations of the Mass to English as far as I know. The one in 1998 never made it through to the end.

And there is talk of retranslating again.
 
Priest facing away from the people is just the way the churches were built. It has nothing to do with the EF. I’ve attended EF Masses facing the priest and hearing the words of consecration clearly.
 
Mercy! How many people in the pew understand “consubstantial with the Father”?
 
I won’t argue with that. 🙂

Problem is it is not grammatically correct as Patri is dative.
 
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I can handle that. I think though there may be a danger in viewing Latin as having more mystique. I like the tie with history. that is why I like the Psalms in Latin. But there is nothing more holy about Latin.
 
Reminds me of a something I read the other day:

“Science is magic to those who cant do the math.”

Perhaps the same goes for Latin to some.
 
Shakuhachi said:
I think the main thing I dislike about EF is that I cannot see what the priest is doing. Like it is some secret or something. Come on it is our Mass let us all participate and see.
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The mumbling, too. UGGG. If Father mumbles in an OF Mass the parishioners call him out instantly. I went to a TLM parish where the priest constantly mumbled. No one would say anything because “he’s so hoooooooooooly”. Blah, utter garbage. With the mic, he sounded like darthvader, too. I’ve been to well done TLM, but I get your drift. Ad Orenem can be very disconcerting depending on the priests, especally when a priest gets all skimpy on the elevation so you can’t even see the Host.
 
Xanthippe_Voorhees said:
No one would say anything because “he’s so hoooooooooooly”. Blah, utter garbage.
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I’m flabbergasted at this. My chin is practically hitting my keyboard. No disrespect, but you sir (or madam) seem to need the extra graces from a TLM. Prayers for you.
 
Extra graces from TLM?

No.

That is utter garbage. A valid Mass is a valid Mass.
 
I didn’t say the OF is not a valid Mass. I simply noted the nasty things you said about a priest…regardless of his personal holiness. You were way out of line to speak like that. And BECAUSE of your nasty remark it seems you are in need of some extra grace.

Just because you personally don’t believe extra graces flow from the TLM, doesn’t make you right. Other’s such as Fr. Ripperger here disagree with you:

http://www.u.arizona.edu/~aversa/modernism/Merit of the Mass (Fr. Ripperger, F.S.S.P.).pdf
 
I think many on here are focused way too much on the understanding, or lack thereof, of Latin. To me the EF Mass involves much, much more than just what the ears alone can take in. I find that all of the senses are fully engaged. All of these senses working together as one makes it exactly as Fr. Faber described it; “The Most Beautiful Thing This Side of Heaven.”
"It is, the most beautiful thing this side of heaven, It came forth out of the grand mind of the Church and lifted us out of earth and out of self, and wrapped us round in a cloud of mystical sweetness and the sublimities of a more than angelic liturgy, and purified us almost without ourselves and charmed us with celestial charming, so that our very senses seemed to find vision, hearing, fragrance, taste and touch more than ear can give.”

~Fr. Frederick Faber~
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Debbie_Kono said:
I didn’t say the OF is not a valid Mass. I simply noted the nasty things you said about a priest…regardless of his personal holiness. You were way out of line to speak like that. And BECAUSE of your nasty remark it seems you are in need of some extra grace.

Just because you personally don’t believe extra graces flow from the TLM, doesn’t make you right. Other’s such as Fr. Ripperger here disagree with you:

http://www.u.arizona.edu/~aversa/modernism/Merit of the Mass (Fr. Ripperger, F.S.S.P.).pdf
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One priest disagrees.

Wozza.

I am NOT out of line because I dislike a priest mumbling Mass. I’m betting if I said it occurred at an OF Mass you would have called it par for the course and said it’s part and parcel of OF. You only have an issue because it’s TLM.

And my remark was on the parishioner’s comments about not saying anything because they felt the priest was holy and untouchable. And he did, quite frankly sound like darth vader between breathy plunges into unintelligible Latin. That’s not how Latin is even supposed to be spoken. Last time I checked there were still spaces between words in Latin and pauses between sentences.

So because I went to a poorly rendered TLM this century and disliked it I need extra graces?

No, sorry. I do not.

I’ve been to fine TLM…but I’ve also seen it as it must have been in the days when it was the only Mass available. People, even TLM priests, are capable of doing wrong. This priest wasn’t in the right to act in such a way. Period. Just because he was saying a TLM dosn’t make him beyond reproach. It would of been fine to chat with the priest and tell him that he couldn’t be understood–merciful, probably. But considering his parishoners thought everything he did saintly and untouchable–a very dangerous attitude that I did not return to.
 
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The Baltimore catechism was never about ‘just memorizing answers’ and there was never a time that Catholics were supposed to 'journey in reflection."
 
“One enters the Church by two doors. The door of truth and the door of beauty. The narrow door is that of truth - the wider door is that of beauty.” Dom Gerard

I entered the Church in 2015 and into a very conservative NO parish. I love this parish and the priests there. Very holy, very reverent. I attend the Saturday evening TLM there still…but I’ve recently switched my Sunday’s to an ICKSP parish were it’s always the TLM. The Solemn High Mass is so beautiful it can take your breath away. The beauty and reverence at a OFM cannot compare to the TLM. Today’s Feast of Christ the King Mass was especially beautiful.
 
stpurl said:
The Baltimore catechism was never about ‘just memorizing answers’ and there was never a time that Catholics were supposed to 'journey in reflection."
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Never a time that Catholics were supposed to journey in reflection? Are you familiar with RCIA?
 
Debbie_Kono said:
It’s the way you said it:
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Xanthippe_Voorhees:
No one would say anything because “he’s so hoooooooooooly”. Blah, utter garbage.
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“hooooooooooly”…as if he were not.

You were wrong. Admit it and move on. Quit making excuses for yourself.
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He was NOT holy by merit of saying a TLM…that’s for sure. And I’m pretty sure neither is mumbling Latin.

I’m not wrong, and I’m not sorry.
 
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