Should Latin mass be brought back?

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I guess the answer then is no, you didn’t extol Summorum Pontificum the way you extol every word of Francis. Curious.

Side note: SP was about far more than the hope of reconciliation with the SSPX. It was a document that offered a gift to the entire Church…not just a mere gesture to reconcile the SSPX.
 
I don’t expect to see Pope Francis’ successor.

I hope he will be like Leo XIII who was elected at 68 accused the Cardinals of imprudence for elected an old man in a moment of political instability, eight years after the fall of the Papal States. Instead, he lived to see his silver jubilee as Pope and lived to be 93.

A twenty year Papacy of Francis would be phenomenal.

In a few more years, the Cardinal electors will have completely turned over.
 
I think this thread has proven, Don Ruggero, that the same fulsome words of glorious praise you lavish on Francis just aren’t there for Benedict. And that speaks volumes.
 
I think the posts have served my purpose sufficiently… And for me, it is getting late now.

It is a very interesting thread of almost 800 posts, some shining with great clarity.

I bid you goodbye.
 
Well you would be wrong there, too.

I didn’t have the pleasure of knowing Cardinal Bergoglio before his election. He loved to stay in Latin America.

So you have completely misjudged, again, the reality as it actually is.

Goodbye, Vadne.
 
let me guess! You want Francis to stack the College.
I don’t think its really that possible to “stack the college”, or that there really is any big antagonism on politics between Latin and the vernacular among the sitting cardinals.

Just my impression, the seamlessness of the way the conclaves have come down over the past 40 years just doesn’t give me an impression that the cardinals are about schism or have any real bad blood going on.
 
I haven’t misjudged anything. For Don Ruggero, whatever Francis says is the very voice of God, and he wishes he would reign 20 more years. As for Benedict…well, he misjudged the situation and was overly optimistic. Guess he wasn’t the very voice of God.
 
You are right…but what is written by certain ones shines a great spotlight on integralists and their conspiracies…and all of that.
 
You would do well to stop calling people by the offensive label “integralists.”
 
Yes I still have old St. Joseph Missal. My church is like the Churches of the 50’s and 60’s to me not a modern version of Mass (Evangelical style). I went to Portland Oregon for a funeral of a friend and was totally freaked out during Mass as they were evangelical in their hallelujahs and amen. I found it disrespectful.
 
I went to Portland Oregon for a funeral of a friend and was totally freaked out during Mass as they were evangelical in their hallelujahs and amen. I found it disrespectful.
Not everyone has the same kind of religious piety, OW.

No need to “freak out”, just accept that they are showing their love for God in their own way.
 
Pope Benedict:

"In the first place, there is the fear that the document detracts from the authority of the Second Vatican Council, one of whose essential decisions – the liturgical reform – is being called into question.

"This fear is unfounded. In this regard, it must first be said that the Missal published by Paul VI and then republished in two subsequent editions by John Paul II, obviously is and continues to be the normal Form – the Forma ordinaria – of the Eucharistic Liturgy. The last version of the Missale Romanum prior to the Council, which was published with the authority of Pope John XXIII in 1962 and used during the Council, will now be able to be used as a Forma extraordinaria of the liturgical celebration. It is not appropriate to speak of these two versions of the Roman Missal as if they were “two Rites”. Rather, it is a matter of a twofold use of one and the same rite.

“As for the use of the 1962 Missal as a Forma extraordinaria of the liturgy of the Mass, I would like to draw attention to the fact that this Missal was never juridically abrogated and, consequently, in principle, was always permitted. At the time of the introduction of the new Missal, it did not seem necessary to issue specific norms for the possible use of the earlier Missal. Probably it was thought that it would be a matter of a few individual cases which would be resolved, case by case, on the local level. Afterwards, however, it soon became apparent that a good number of people remained strongly attached to this usage of the Roman Rite, which had been familiar to them from childhood. This was especially the case in countries where the liturgical movement had provided many people with a notable liturgical formation and a deep, personal familiarity with the earlier Form of the liturgical celebration. We all know that, in the movement led by Archbishop Lefebvre, fidelity to the old Missal became an external mark of identity; the reasons for the break which arose over this, however, were at a deeper level. Many people who clearly accepted the binding character of the Second Vatican Council, and were faithful to the Pope and the Bishops, nonetheless also desired to recover the form of the sacred liturgy that was dear to them. This occurred above all because in many places celebrations were not faithful to the prescriptions of the new Missal, but the latter actually was understood as authorizing or even requiring creativity, which frequently led to deformations of the liturgy which were hard to bear. I am speaking from experience, since I too lived through that period with all its hopes and its confusion. And I have seen how arbitrary deformations of the liturgy caused deep pain to individuals totally rooted in the faith of the Church.”
 
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AS I pointed out, this is about attendance bring down and reaching for straws as to why. It has nothing to do w the format of the mass! It has to do w the sin of the church. My husband stopped. Others switched denominations. Have a Latin mass once a month. Every Sunday-early morning. That would show who is really wanting Latin rite. If it matters wake up early to go. I own my own mussel from the Latin mass days. Some prayers still recalled. I love languages. This is a communication situation. Defrock pedophiles and don’t admit homosexuals. For some reason, our Catholic Bible, States that it is an abomination. HMMM. Inconvenient truth! Remember God loves us all BUT NOT our SIN. The truth will set you FREE! Were we to stop saying God’s truth? Have our FREEDOMS taken us to where God didnt want us to go??
 
It is sad to see some of the vicious comments on here. This discussion should be peaceful without attacking others.
My girlfriend and I attend mass almost every Sunday together. But, every so often, when she is too far away to join her for mass, I do attend mass in Latin. Why? For a few reasons:
  1. We must never forget the traditions of where we come from.
  2. The Vatican has still said that Latin is the language of the Church.
  3. Most of our translations of prayers make perfect sense once we hear the entire (original) prayer in full form.
  4. The Chief Exorcist of the Vatican has repeatedly said that the devil hates the use of Latin. I’m all for not only defending against evil but also attacking it back.
  5. No matter what country we go to, when mass is in Latin, the tradition and language is always the same. A comfort if you do not know the local language.
    Everyone, of course, has their own feelings regarding mass. I do not shoot down one over the other in an effort to respect both. Hope my answer helps!
 
Forgive me, but we replied ET CUM SPIRI TU TUO!
Kyrie Eleason GREEK but had responses. A few AMENs that were NO PROBLEM. But the church trusted us to murmur a few phrases.
This isn’t a tit for tat. I was 17 yo w VATICAN II. Played guitar for our folk mass. I was w the church during transition. GRUMBLES by mainstream.
Latin or English will not save the church. Rejecting SIN, will fill the pews. Defrocking sick priests and sending criminals to jail will fill the pews.
Our Pope rescinded some written statute on pediophilia. What statute could be written on pediophilia? One act= turn over to Police and defrock. The reason I change Latin mass to Pediophilia is b/c decreased attendance is the reason some think we miss the Latin Mass. I will challenge that reasoning. Follow timeline…Church rules changed.
God forgive us. Please forgive us. God can love us and still send us to hell. It’s our choice. Is there some sin for which He will NOT give us mercy? Can He forgive some of us who want NO MERCY given for some sins.
FORGIVE US OUR SINS AS WE FORGIVE THOSE WHO HAVE SINNED AGAINST US.
I can forgive all. Thought of all sickening things that can happen. I can forgive, maybe after I shoot criminal… (Sick Joke). Mercy=That would be God’s domain as it is connected to destination.
We can just do both masses.
 
Forgive me, but we replied ET CUM SPIRI TU TUO!

Kyrie Eleason GREEK but had responses. A few AMENs that were NO PROBLEM. But the church trusted us to murmur a few phrases.
What you are referring to is the Dialogue Mass, and that was in a number of locations, but was hardly universal. The Dialogue Mass was first approved by the Vatican in 1922.

It definitely depended where you were at.
 
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