Should liberals leave the catholic church?

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Dale_M said:
Sosayi, is it really fair to dig up a thread which has been dead for more than a here and demand answers from the the people who posted way back then?

This is a very long thread, one that has mutated beyond the OP article (which is primarily about homosexual adoption). What caused you to reply to it now? :confused:
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It’s easier than replying to direct questions put to the poster on other threads! 😉
 
While there are indeed liberals who took Vatican II too far, there are also conservatives who refuse to accept that Vatican II took place. When we accept the Church we accept it with all its councils not just those we happen to agree with. Case in point: The Old Roman Catholic Church which broke away over Vatican I and the doctrine of papal infallibility. So if we ask liberals to leave should we not ask some conservatives to leave as well?
 
Lazerlike42 said:
Why do people stay in the Church when they disagree? Whatever liberal views a person has, there is some church out there that agrees with him/her. Why do these people stay? This I will never understand.
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you said it perfectly.
 
Originally Posted by Lazerlike42 Why do people stay in the Church when they disagree? Whatever liberal views a person has, there is some church out there that agrees with him/her. Why do these people stay? This I will never understand.
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There are quite a few people who can find faults and criticisms in any religion on earth; and they have accepted the fact that there is no one perfect religion for them to join.

We all know people are imperfect, and yet that doesn’t stop imperfect persons from marrying other imperfect persons, because we all know the benefits of marriage.

So why should Catholics who don’t agree with everything the Church teaches, and who accept that fact, but who also love the Church in all of her (what they perceive to be) imperfections, feel that they should necessarily leave? It seems to me that to encourage such actions, is equivalent to encouraging divorce.
 
Beaver said:
My theory goes like this, many catholic colleges had professors of theology that taught thier own ideologies before getting approval from Rome. They pushed their liberal agenda via the educational degrees. They used these degrees to overstep Rome, but human knowledge is not the answer, Divine knowledge is, and now they will not let go of their egos.
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The Catholic church is a Universal Church. There is “one faith but many theologies” as the late Bishop Raymond Lucker wrote. There are no black and white matters it is all a shade of grey. Even ex cathedra is a recent invention in the life of the Church (Vatican I, late 1800’s early 1900s).
 
Looks like we have a troll. If you wish to engage in open and fair debate you are welcome. If you wish to make false claims on various threads, please go elsewhere.
 
M_Hains said:
Looks like we have a troll. If you wish to engage in open and fair debate you are welcome. If you wish to make false claims on various threads, please go elsewhere.
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I am not a troll. The dogma of ex cathedra only goes back to 1870 and I can track down the Pastoral Letter I took the Lucker quote from, just not tonight.
 
Fr_Chuck said:
Married priest are not being liberal, as there are married priest and were one or two married Bishops.

First in other Orders other than Latin or Roman some priests are allowed to marry. Also even in the Latin or Roman rite they often accept priests from other faiths (Anglican, Orthodox, some of the Independent Catholic groups, Lutheran) into the church that are married and allow them to remain married.

I do agree with some of the other points, just wanted to do a reminder that married clergy is merely for one Rite and is merely a rule not doctrine.
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I understand that while married men from other Faiths are allowed to become Priests when they join the Catholic faith, but they are required to become celibate there after. That is whay some of the many famous converst decided not to become Priests when they joined the Faith.
 
maciejk60 said:
I understand that while married men from other Faiths are allowed to become Priests when they join the Catholic faith, but they are required to become celibate there after. That is whay some of the many famous converst decided not to become Priests when they joined the Faith.
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I don’t think so. A married minister can become a priest with a dispensation from the Bishop, but I’ve never heard that they must then be celibate.
 
rlg94086 said:
I don’t think so. A married minister can become a priest with a dispensation from the Bishop, but I’ve never heard that they must then be celibate.
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I believe the only restricion is they can not serve as pasotrs.
 
I do not even have to read the article…my answer is yes. Sorry if my answer offends anyone, it’s just my opinion…I guess we can still express that here!
 
Mike_Dye said:
I do not even have to read the article…my answer is yes. Sorry if my answer offends anyone, it’s just my opinion…I guess we can still express that here!
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Oh well there goes “Conservative Compassion”. What would Jesus do? What would Scooby DO?

Hmmm:confused:
 
I don’t think they should leave the Catholic Church. I think that they should repent of their sins and become orthodox Catholics.
 
In my view, yes. You either accept certain arguments or you don’t, and if you can’t, you really aren’t being true to yourself; it is better to be true to oneself than to try and live a lie.

In any case, the Church’s leaders (and also many lay people) seem keen on cleansing the church of those who disagree or dissent from any dogma or key teaching, so a ‘liberal’ Catholic’s days in the Church are probably limited anyway.
 
re: patg Post #99
*** I do accept what the Lord intended. I just have a lot of trouble accepting what people have done with it**.*

oh yeah, you have hit the nail on the head. Thanks!👍
 
Greg27 said:
In my view, yes. You either accept certain arguments or you don’t, and if you can’t, you really aren’t being true to yourself; it is better to be true to oneself than to try and live a lie.

In any case, the Church’s leaders (and also many lay people) seem keen on cleansing the church of those who disagree or dissent from any dogma or key teaching, so a ‘liberal’ Catholic’s days in the Church are probably limited anyway.
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No. Those who find themselves unable to accept the Church’s teaching should pray for the grace to understand and believe. No on should leave the Church. All should pray for grace.
 
Greg27 said:
In my view, yes. You either accept certain arguments or you don’t, and if you can’t, you really aren’t being true to yourself; it is better to be true to oneself than to try and live a lie.
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I agree. When I realized that there was no way I could accept some of the most basic tenets of the faith, I knew I had to leave, though I remain a cultural catholic.
Greg27 said:
In any case, the Church’s leaders (and also many lay people) seem keen on cleansing the church of those who disagree or dissent from any dogma or key teaching, so a ‘liberal’ Catholic’s days in the Church are probably limited anyway.
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On this point I disagree. Wishful thinking of a conservative minority at best. The church has always been about increasing its ranks not cuting it back. Interesting choice of words, “cleansing” is a verb that has been used by some very dangerous minds. I pray that B16 is wiser than that.

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Penny_Plain said:
What do you think?

Edit: My original answer was overly snide. Let’s say that I view the Magisterium as something that is very, very good to listen to but not infallible. A human institution of devout men with 20 centuries of scholarship, meditation, and prayer behind it, but, at the end of the day, a human institution.

Humans make mistakes.
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Wow! What I have said time and time again. My priest back in SC said the same thing…during a homily. We are human and broken…and in our brokeness we need to reflect…
can’t remember the rest. But yeah, the Magisterium puts their draws on one leg at a time just like everyone else.👍
 
Julianna said:
Wow! What I have said time and time again. My priest back in SC said the same thing…during a homily. We are human and broken…and in our brokeness we need to reflect…
can’t remember the rest. But yeah, the Magisterium puts their draws on one leg at a time just like everyone else.👍
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The Magisterium doesn’t put any draws on. The Magisterium is a power, not a man. And it is accompanied by the gift (Kharisma) of Infallibility.
 
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