Should liberals leave the catholic church?

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Jennifer123:
…married priests within the Latin rite. I guess one of these men could be become bishop if God wills it?
If God wills it, anything is possible. However, I am not aware of any church recognized as having apostolic succession ordaining married bishops in recent centuries. Which is why I asked for a cite when Fr_Chuck made the claim.
 
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Lazerlike42:
Why do people stay in the Church when they disagree? Whatever liberal views a person has, there is some church out there that agrees with him/her. Why do these people stay? This I will never understand.
As Fr. Greely has stated in at least one of his more academic books. People, even liberals, like being Catholics and no strict traditionalist can be nasty enough to make them want to leave. They luuuv the Church.
 
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Fr_Chuck:
Married priest are not being liberal, as there are married priest and were one or two married Bishops.

First in other Orders other than Latin or Roman some priests are allowed to marry. Also even in the Latin or Roman rite they often accept priests from other faiths (Anglican, Orthodox, some of the Independent Catholic groups, Lutheran) into the church that are married and allow them to remain married.

I do agree with some of the other points, just wanted to do a reminder that married clergy is merely for one Rite and is merely a rule not doctrine.
I don’t think that the priests are allowed to marry, but married men are allowed to become priests. This is an important distinction.
 
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Lazerlike42:
Why do people stay in the Church when they disagree? Whatever liberal views a person has, there is some church out there that agrees with him/her. Why do these people stay? This I will never understand.
Well, I for one DID leave the RCC, though I remain interested in its history and day to day news. You can’t totaly leave because it is part of the culture of your family, but I tell people I am a former Catholic.

Nohome
 
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Lazerlike42:
Why do people stay in the Church when they disagree? Whatever liberal views a person has, there is some church out there that agrees with him/her. Why do these people stay? This I will never understand.
Perhaps they have disagreed with most every group they have ever been a part of :whistle:, so they accept disagreement as natural. Thus, it is not a motive to leave. Perhaps they do accept that the Church is the Church, so nowhere else could possibly appeal. Perhaps their membership is one of committment, and they are not one to break committments. Perhaps they hear Jesus in the tabernacle and simply cannot walk away from that. As mijoy2 pointed out, perhaps they do not really grasp that the Church is serious about listening to her. I suspect most know it teaches about obedience, but I doubt they always grasp the significance of it. Perhaps they know they ought not leave the Church, so they obey that command.

I am a convert, so it is hard for me to guess. I didn’t always agree with the Church on every issue (past tense), yet I stayed. It never crossed my mind to leave!
 
I converted to Catholicism in a “liberal” parish. Over time I grew in my understanding of the Church, in faith and in obedience. I am still a lowly sinner, but I’m working on it.

For those who don’t understand the authority of the Church, pray for them. The Church will and should stay steadfast in her teaching. We*** all*** need to grow in our faith and our obedience.
 
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rlg94086:
IWe*** all*** need to grow in our faith and our obedience.
Yes indeed. IMHO as Catholics, we need to give the Church the benefit of the doubt when we encounter something that at first we don’t tend to agree with for the sake of humility. Most people I know who don’t agree with the Church’s teachings don’t have any idea what the Church really teaches or why she teaches it. Seek first to understand IMHO.
 
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Pug:
Perhaps they know they ought not leave the Church, so they obey that command.
Or perhaps they also know that they ought to be obedience to the Church’s teachings, but they don’t obey that command. However it’s worded, it all comes back to… choose whatever suite you.
 
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Jennifer123:
Yes indeed. IMHO as Catholics, we need to give the Church the benefit of the doubt when we encounter something that at first we don’t tend to agree with for the sake of humility. Most people I know who don’t agree with the Church’s teachings don’t have any idea what the Church really teaches or why she teaches it. Seek first to understand IMHO.
That’s the problem. They don’t SEEK. Such high egos that they will only persist in their defiance.
 
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cathgal:
That’s the problem. They don’t SEEK. Such high egos that they will only persist in their defiance.
They may seek…keep being a witness for the Truth and keep praying for them.
 
The woman who wrote this article sounds very bitter and angry. She also doesn’t have a very well grounded idea in how the Catholic Church works. It’s not a political platform that changes with new membership (like the DNC or RNC).

I realize that as Catholics, we are to agree with and follow the teachings of the Church. As a convert, I have no problem with this. I worked too hard to understand the teachings to start picking and choosing now. This being said, I find it horrible that any Christian would say they thought that those who don’t agree with Church teachings should leave! Where would you have them go? Where else would they find the Truth? I hope they never leave and stay long enough for God to give them the grace to understand and accept that which they currently do not.

Now, I don’t think they should hold any leadership roles in the Church. One should have to agree with and be trying their best to live by the teachings of the Catholic church to have any leadership role.

Praise God that the Church doesn’t change the teachings of Christ! What a wonderful gift we have been given!
Lisa
 
We think we can be prochoice, pro-gay marriage , pro-gay adoption, and in favor of married and female priests
No, these people should NOT leave the Church. What they should do is humbly accept the Church’s teachings and change there contrarian beliefs.

They need to accept that the Church will not change here teachings on these*, as they are Truth and Truth never changes.

(*note that the the Ordination of a married man is a matter of discipline, not doctrine. The marriage of a man in active Holy Orders is prohibited, and that IS a matter of doctrine. The author is unclear as to which she opposes)
 
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rwoehmke:
People, even liberals, like being Catholics and no strict traditionalist can be nasty enough to make them want to leave.
And there are some nasty ones out there.
 
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Nohome:
Well, I for one DID leave the RCC, though I remain interested in its history and day to day news. You can’t totaly leave because it is part of the culture of your family, but I tell people I am a former Catholic.

Nohome
Do you claim another denomination now?
 
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cathgal:
That’s the problem. They don’t SEEK. Such high egos that they will only persist in their defiance.
I think the problem of “high egos” is present on both sides.
 
They stay because they think they can force change on the Church from within.
 
Eileen T:
They stay because they think they can force change on the Church from within.
I agree to an extent. I think they love the Church as much as the next Catholic, but for one reason or another they feel the church is going in the wrong direction on certain issues. Thus, they feel the need to try to correct it.
 
Eileen T:
They stay because they think they can force change on the Church from within.
Some do. And the Church should continue to thwart their efforts and replace and/or admonish Bishops and Priests that don’t teach proper doctrine. Others have been misinformed. I received incorrect guidance when it comes to the roll of conscience. Without a correct understanding, it seems as though you are free to do as you wish…for example, as long as you pray about it really hard, birth control is okay.

The way I see it, liberals can leave if they want to. I hope they stay and open their hearts to the Truth.
 
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Lazerlike42:
Why do people stay in the Church when they disagree? Whatever liberal views a person has, there is some church out there that agrees with him/her. Why do these people stay? This I will never understand.
What’s there not to understand? If there is no alternative which is anywhere near as good as the Catholic Church, why leave? Yes, I disagree with some things for what I see as very good reason but it’s still the best there is.

I disagree with my parents on many things but I still know where home is and I know I am still loved and accepted there. Why not here? Is the quality of “God the Father” somehow less than my human father? And I am certainly not affecting anyone else’s relationship with God by my thoughts on the Church.

I understand how some can just say the believe and agree with everything the church says, does, and requires - but what possible good is it to do that when one can’t rationally accept it?

Does God have a bad day if I mumble the words *“Women should be allowed to be priests…” ? *If so, I feel sorry for God…
 
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