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JamesG
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So by that resoning the rules that christ gave us to live by 2000 years ago are outdated?
Everything you quoted can be rejected by the word of christ!
You can’t possibly call yourself a catholic.
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Everything you quoted can be rejected by the word of christ!
You can’t possibly call yourself a catholic.
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setter
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Natural and moral law are timeless in the sense that humanity does not outgrow the need to be safely guided in body and soul through this first stage temporal walk leading to eternity.
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mike182d
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I could not disagree more. As a man in his mid-twenties and who has studied the theology of human sexuality quite extensively, I couldn’t agree more with the Church’s position.
Have you read or studied the Church’s teaching on this at all?
One of my special buttons is birthcontrol and it drives me up the wall. There is absolutely *no *logical reason to use birth control. Period.
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Orionthehunter
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Because there is not a single member of the Church Militant (not even the Pope) who isn’t both a sinner and a saint. We are all by virtue of Original Sin struggling with being in full and PERFECT communion with the Truth. The only difference is degree of separation and I humbly live in enduring hope for perfect communion upon my death. I have the same aspiration for the most separated.
Regarding John Kerry, I pray he someday becomes better united w/ the inerring Teachings of Christ. In the meantime, I trust that his Bishop is prayerfully considering the best way to handle this situation. I agree that his words and opinions cause harm and scandal to the flock.
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buffalo
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Here is the problem - the Catholic Church does not have any authority to change Jesus’ teachings. His teachings are for all ages.
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mike182d
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But there is a difference in the Church militant between being shot while fighting the enemy and deserting the Church to join sides with the enemy.
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mike182d
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:clapping:
No one can really say any better.
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estesbob
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I believe you are a perfect example of one who has let their Politics form their Faith. The opposite should be true-our Faith should form our Politics. How, for instance, can you say abortion is an older rule that applied to people in different times? Has the unborn become unhuman in the last few years? Or does the fact the party you support believes it is a fundamental right influence you more than the One True Church founded by Jesus Christ?
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mikew262
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Yikes!! Here we go!! Hang on!!
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Vonier
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The Church’s opposition to abortion is about upholding the sanctity of human life. How does that apply to people living in a different time but not to our time?
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rlg94086
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I’m in complete agreement with your posts on this issue. I think we are called to give fraternal correction. It’s our duty to inform our fellow Catholics, when they are in error. However, telling them they are not Catholic and should leave the Church is not our role as lay Catholics. Our Bishops can and should be taking care of this. Perhaps, they are not doing it enough.
I think some of the problem is from the pulpit. Our priests and bishops aren’t as direct about certain sins, like birth control, homosexual acts, not attending Mass, receiving the Eucharist while in the state of mortal sin, etc. I’ve heard too many homilies that dance around the issues.
Also, maybe they should beef up the homilies on Easter and Christmas, when our twice-a-year Catholics show up. Give 'em a little wake up call.
Orionthehunter:
I think some of the problem is from the pulpit. Our priests and bishops aren’t as direct about certain sins, like birth control, homosexual acts, not attending Mass, receiving the Eucharist while in the state of mortal sin, etc. I’ve heard too many homilies that dance around the issues.
Also, maybe they should beef up the homilies on Easter and Christmas, when our twice-a-year Catholics show up. Give 'em a little wake up call.
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Orionthehunter
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I love your use of the adjective “fraternal” or brotherly. It is a rare situation where saying “you raving slut” or you “poisonous weed” is fraternal, brotherly. I can’t imagine the situation where such a message was deliverd to me in such tone has ever been effective except when from a dear loved one who I couldn’t deny (even in context of the message and its tone) had my best interests at heart.
When such a message is from a stranger or even a casual acquaintance, my only likely reaction is to go in the opposite direction or become more firm in my position. In other words, I might have recieved correction but it accomplished absolutely none of the intended effect and was likely counter-productive.
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cathgal
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…in UNION with the Pope…
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rlg94086
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There is a great tape series I have whose title says it all “Winning Souls, Not Just Arguments” with Curtis Martin and Patrick Madrid. It is directed at apologetics with non-Catholics, but the idea behind the title is simple: Being right in a harsh manner isn’t going to help anyone soften their hearts.
Our ultimate goal is what? More Catholics with us in heaven, right? We need to correct with love and pray…a lot! That’s what brought me around.
God Bless,
Robert
Orionthehunter:
Our ultimate goal is what? More Catholics with us in heaven, right? We need to correct with love and pray…a lot! That’s what brought me around.
God Bless,
Robert
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Penny_Plain
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What a fascinating question. I will not touch the assumption that I can’t be an effective instrument of the Holy Spirit, nor will I touch the assumption that I am the only one who needs to reconsider her opinions.
I don’t know either of you. I suspect ol’ James is much more courteous and reasonable in person (or at least much more careful) than he is on an anonymous message board. I’ve always found you to be reasonable, courteous, and well-spoken, so the short answer is, “You, Orion. Plus with the whole hunting thing, I’d eat better.”
The slightly longer answer is “neither of you.” There’s not a lot of point in discussing things with people who are convinced they’re 100 percent right and you’re right only to the extent that you agree with them.
“Discussion” implies give and take. With both of you guys (no offense) it’s all give and no take. That’s not very interesting or very productive.
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Isidore_AK
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We might get more Catholics into Heaven if we drive the dissenters out who pervert the faith…
Drive the moneylenders from the temple!
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Nohome
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Funny you should say this. When I left the RCC, nobody at the church asked why, said goodbye or anything. Then after a few months the business manager noticed my monthly check was no longer there. I got a call asking “what was wrong” and “had I just forgot”. When I said that I left the RCC, the response was just “oh”. They didn’t even offer to take me off the books!We might get more Catholics into Heaven if we drive the dissenters out who pervert the faith…
Drive the moneylenders from the temple!
I wasn’t “driven” out, but only my money was missed. The RCC may hate liberals, but she is sure willing to spend their coin!
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vern_humphrey
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The RCC? What is the RCC?
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Nohome
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vern humphrey:
RCC = Roman Catholic Church
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vern_humphrey
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Whenever someone claims to be a Catholic or “former Catholic” and refers to the Church as “the RCC” it sets off the smoke detector in my underwear.
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