Should Marijuana be legal? Vote the poll!

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PolycarpMeans said:
I also think all drugs should be legalized, in fact not taxed or regulated either.

Also, as a former user of psychedelic drugs of all sorts, including many most people have never heard of, I have to insist that ALL drug use is utterly abominable and mortally sinful.

Few people know that the word in sacred scripture translated as “sorcery” is in fact the Greek word specifically pertaining to drug use. Sorcerers shall not inherit the kingdom of heaven. That means drug users. An uncomfortable and rough truth, but real nonetheless.

So then, why would I advocate for legalization?

Violence.

The violence brought by drugs is a product of their incredible monetary value, which is in turn a product of their illicit status.

The only way to end the violence is to devalue them as a commodity. The only way to devalue them as a commodity is to legalize them entirely, with absolutely no restrictions, no taxation, no regulation, nothing. Within a generation, their use, their cost, and their violent effects would be obliterated.

At the same time, a large social push to ostracize users would be helpful.
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You wrote, “Few people know that the word in sacred scripture translated as “sorcery” is in fact the Greek word specifically pertaining to drug use. Sorcerers shall not inherit the kingdom of heaven. That means drug users. An uncomfortable and rough truth, but real nonetheless.”

“Drugs” encompass many things and I would say that there are not many more than a handful of people, at least in the USA, that are not “drug users”.

You also wrote, “I have to insist that ALL drug use is utterly abominable and mortally sinful.”

Then I suppose that you shouldn’t use any if that is your take on things.

Something to think about: How many dead people take drugs?
 
Tom_Baum said:
As far as “The projected taxes collected through legalization haven’t panned out,as there is still a black market where it can be purchased for less$$$.”, maybe if the state were not so greedy, it would be different.
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I don’t disagree with that,in fact insert “government” as whole is greedy!
 
Agree with Pope Francis, with two exceptions:
  1. Authorized by a medical doctor for treatment of a specific condition;
    and
  2. medical research.
Peace to all and God Bless.
 
estesbob said:
I believe all drugs should be legalized
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You must be on them yourself to vote this way, who wants to belong to a nation of crack heads, and everyone is going around like a zombie, robbing people and places in order to get a fix. Get a grip.
 
Celtic_Maiden said:
You must be on them yourself to vote this way, who wants to belong to a nation of crack heads, and everyone is going around like a zombie, robbing people and places in order to get a fix. Get a grip.
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Do you really think that the “illegality of drugs” is the only thing that is keeping the USA from becoming “a nation of crack heads, and everyone is going around like a zombie, robbing people and places in order to get a fix.”?
 
Celtic_Maiden said:
You must be on them yourself to vote this way, who wants to belong to a nation of crack heads, and everyone is going around like a zombie, robbing people and places in order to get a fix. Get a grip.
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If drugs were legalized people wouldn’t have to be robbing people to get money for a “fix”

I haven’t had a drink since November 2, 1985(I never used drugs). How about you?
 
delphin said:
To be honest I would feel much safer to be a “nation of stoners” rather than a nation of alcoholics and drunk drivers, which we are now. 😦
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It’s not either/or. You will be ADDING the stoners to the drunks. Does that sound like a good plan?
 
Medical MJ is a canard.

Compassion for those TRULY sick and unable to eat without medical MJ was used to OK Medical MJ retail stores. Here in the Sacramento area there are 73 Medical MJ retail stores. 73 stores - duh - there just are not that many folks who are truly that sick in one medium sized area…

Doctors will write a script for just about anything because those patients pay them for it. Doctors are making money by abusing the I can’t hold food down without MJ.

Alcohol abuse in the home is one thing. Kids see their parent/s drunk and not attentive to the kids’ need for love and proper direction. But the parent/s can keep the bottle lock up away from the kids. MJ creates a similar situation but also permeates the very air the kids breathe.

Society will pay a very high price dealing with the problems caused by easy access.
 
I don’t understand society’s obsession with this poor lady named Mary Juana. Still cant figure out who in the heck she is.

I voted no.
 
It should be treated like a public health issue instead ofa criminal one. The issues caused by the anti drug efforts of the last few decades seem to be as bad or worse than the drug they are fighting.

And why are we punishing adults for what they decide to put in and do to their bodies?
 
No! This world is spiraling downward so quickly…
I feel the people who say yes to the legalization of marijuana are the ones doing it recreationally and are trying to justify it. I’m sorry, but I live in California where people cheat the system ALL the time and claim chronic pain or some “medical condition” so it can be prescribed. Disgusting. Says a lot about their character. Some people seriously lack self control. Forgive me Lord, I’m trying not to be judgmental… :ouch:
They are ruining it for the very few poor souls who legit need MJ for medical purposes.

Thank goodness I’ve never resorted to drugs, but I’ve obviously interacted with people who do it and they seem like they’re in another universe and can’t even hold a conversation. I don’t think stoners realize how horrible they look/act to a normal person. I doubt they even care.
 
runwaymodel said:
Some people seriously lack self control. Forgive me Lord, I’m trying not to be judgmental… :ouch:
They are ruining it for the very few poor souls who legit need MJ for medical purposes.

Thank goodness I’ve never resorted to drugs, but I’ve obviously interacted with people who do it and they seem like they’re in another universe and can’t even hold a conversation. I don’t think stoners realize how horrible they look/act to a normal person. I doubt they even care.
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There is a line between use and abuse. I do not use it but do think it should be legal due to the horrendous results that law enforcement has produced. I too have encountered people who are high on various drugs and it is pitiful. But is jail really the answer?

Instead, why not take an approach similar to tobacco? Limit where it can be smoked (2nd hand issues) and have an honest campaign without the distortions that caused a generation or two to disbelieve the anti-MJ position.

The reason tobacco use is falling is because the campaigns seem truthful, are mirrored in part by long time smokers we know, and consequences are mostly from use instead of the government.
 
HerCrazierHalf said:
There is a line between use and abuse. I do not use it but do think it should be legal due to the horrendous results that law enforcement has produced. I too have encountered people who are high on various drugs and it is pitiful. But is jail really the answer?

Instead, why not take an approach similar to tobacco? Limit where it can be smoked (2nd hand issues) and have an honest campaign without the distortions that caused a generation or two to disbelieve the anti-MJ position.

The reason tobacco use is falling is because the campaigns seem truthful, are mirrored in part by long time smokers we know, and consequences are mostly from use instead of the government.
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There is a huge difference comparing tobacco to marijuana. Yes, I inhale unwanted second hand smoke from Tabasco users but they don’t get high. It’s just a bad (and gross) addiction but it doesn’t alter their reality. Marijuana users obviously get stoned. It is a drug, so I just can’t respect someone who breaks the law to indulge in themselves.

Any reasonable person would be horrified about the fact of going to jail. It has a huge impact on your future, relationships, financial strain, lawyers, employers don’t want to hire a delinquent (nor someone date them) you hurt your family, trust is destroyed, a society outcast…it just seems too much to risk for nothing. So I do think jail time it’s fair–What is more precious than freedom? But that’s my personal opinion. It’s almost like the same argument about legalizing prostitution. Does one not see how this will just hurt society? Some things need to be preserved.
 
HerCrazierHalf said:
It should be treated like a public health issue instead ofa criminal one.
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I think it should be illegal, but the “punishment” should be something like how they treat drunk driving: you have to go to rehab classes or something like that. That’s sort of mixing the two ideas you suggested: instead of doing an “either/or” regarding “health issue or criminal issue,” you can treat possession as a criminal issue by making the substance contraband, and also treat it as a health issue by requiring possessors/users to go to rehab classes. What do you think of that idea?
 
If the court process leads to rehab without destroying one’s livelihood (except for commercial drivers, etc) then that is fine. I just find it odd that past efforts basically destroyed the user more so than the drug. I’d go further and suggest 2 years of random testing followed by sealing those records to limit the impact once reformed.

That said, it still seems wrong to punish someone for self harm. If some was a user and was otherwise “ok” (job, doesn’t get high in public and otherwise normal) should anything be done to them?

Btw, dui offenses aren’t treated like you state as often. It involves thousands I fines and court fees plus a real possibility of jail. I think $10,000+ was the number they advertise. I assume current law treats driving while high the same.
 
Drug policy in this country is insane.

Yes, let’s prevent kids from ruining their lives by smoking weed by throwing them in Juvenile Hall and on probation. That will teach them. Because we know that JH and probation have excellent track records of rehabilitating people.

Meanwhile our streets run red with blood due to the black market drug trade.

I vote yes.
 
House_Harkonnen said:
Drug policy in this country is insane.

Yes, let’s prevent kids from ruining their lives by smoking weed by throwing them in Juvenile Hall and on probation. That will teach them. Because we know that JH and probation have excellent track records of rehabilitating people.

Meanwhile our streets run red with blood due to the black market drug trade.

I vote yes.
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As a criminal defense attorney I second Harkonnen’s lack of confidence in jails and probation. In the end, we are a free people. Those that will do it will, and those that won’t, won’t.

We know that marijuana is not that much more or less dangerous than alcohol.

Does it have detrimental effects on people? Yes. Are there times when it’s not welcome? Yes. But that’s not up to state laws to decide. Businesses can set rules for their employees. Property owners can set rules for their properties. And no, I don’t think the top people of most fields benefit from marijuana, but others feel that it helps their creative thinking. Not to mention “medicinal use” (which is often a false excuse, but still). It will be up to individuals to decide whether marijuana is truly beneficial to them.

So I vote yes.
 
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