Should marijuana be legal?

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www.justice.gov/dea/ongoing/marinol.html
The above site takes you to the drug marinol,this is an approved drug available to the medical profession(and has been there for a while),though my own research concludes that most doctors prefer to use much better alternatives available to THC.It is there never-the less for those doctors who feel it’s use would be of some benefit.Time will tell how good it will be!I have no issues with this at all-it is totally a medical matter.
Since the extolled properties of THC is available already,thank you for alerting me of this,though I never was given this link or the name of Marinol-(-it is also available generically)–I know now the reason!
It has convinced me that the use of “smoking” medicinal marijuana is just a red herring by a lobby of the drug culture to legalize marijuana through the back door.I visited many sites hosted by the marijuana lobby and I cannot accept the logic of their arguements.Certainly the common good will not be served by this illict drug!One fellow Barton seemed to put in a good case,then I read that while at Uni.he smoked plenty of home grown weed,he complained that he had headaches since his teenage years(I wonder if he has ever made the connection between them & smoking pot!!)of course he would be in favour of "medicinal pot’!! He belongs to the drug culture…Obama approves of its’ use,that means nothing,he also approved of abortion &embryonic stem cell research.I wonder what other evil he will approve of in the future!! May God Bless America.
Some push the idea that marijuana is a God given plant–so is Hemlock-I advise you not to smoke it!! St.Michael defend us in the battle.
 
I also have been re-reading sections of Fundfamental Psychiatry by Cavanagh & McGoldrick–in the Chapter on Toxic Psychoses -Symptoms.(p436) and I quote–
“The effect of marijuana depends to a certain extent on the user’s disposition and character.It may produce either excitement or apathy.In psychoses resulting from marijuana,the clinical picture is likely to be one of acute hallucinatory mania–I will not bore you with all the quote, but he lists the effects–a dream like state,clouding of consciousness,disorientation and delirium,incoherence of speech and though–emotional state swing from euphoria to depressoin,remote memory stimulated,passage of time decelerated,detached from environment,nearby objects seem for away,immagination extremely active.innibitions are lessened,loss of emotional control,commission of acts of violence,hallucinations and delusions”"end of quote!! (you potheads know he is telling the truth)
He continues–"marijuana addiction does not occur,tolerance is not established,same dose will continue to produce the same effect. Discontinuance of the drug depends on the individual’s desire to do so,and HIS ABILITY TO CONTROL HIS CRAVINGS FOR ITS PLEASANT EFFECTS:’’
Both wrote this as professors of Universities in the USAJohn R.Cavanagh ,M.D.F.A.P.A.,F.A.C.P.,K.S.G. James B.McGoldrick,S.J.S.T.D.,Ph.D.They are authorities on Psychiatry,
The above reasons are why marijuana should not be legalized.
 
A further arguement against marijuana being legal is the resultant spiritual and moral decline of the Unites States of America.When any person does a deliberate moral evil,he or she co-operates with the devil.So by taking part in the evil of smoking marijuana that person is inviting satan to enter;of course he can stay in the back ground as when we to an immoral act,we do the devils work for him!!It is no accident that shootings, thieving ,murders,sexual assaults,drug wars etc. abound around the use of drugs–the news papers and T.V.are full of stories from the court rooms where the excuse was that illict drug taking was the primary cause!!( the consequences of sin is death–a spiritual one and the social moral decline of society-Rome and recently the Soviet Union are examples of what can follow) The other aspect, is that often it is a cocktail of drug mix that is involved.Mariujuana and alcohol are commonly used together,I know some purists are totally pot smokers but court cases point and prove extensively over the years this connection of mixing drugs.
Another arguement against marijuana being legal is that it is not called a "gate way"drug for no reason.So many of our "fallen"heroes whether in the pop,movie,T.V.and sports, started on marijuana,moved into the drug culture and then into hard drugs!!Their stories are the same patten,unfortunately told after their death!The rehab.places are full of the same stories.

St.Michael the ArchAngel proctect us from evil .Amen
 
I would have to say that smoking marijuana is morally wrong, because it ALWAYS produces and intoxicating effect, and besides… scripture doesn’t say anything about Jesus ever having spent any of his time “tokin’ on the number and diggin’ on the radio”.

Scripture does, however, address the issue of drunkenness.

Today people most likely associate “drunkenness” , with alcohol assumption. I wonder, however, if at the time “drunkenness” was addressed in the bible, it actually applied to ones state of body, mind and emotion, in a much broader sense.

Did people use marijuana in Biblical times? Possibly. The Bible never actually says so one way or the other. Did they use opium or hashish? Again, that could be a possibility, but once again neither is mentioned in the Bible. Did emotional/mind/mood altering substances (besides wine) exist in Biblical times? I’m fairly certain that they did.

Perhaps Biblical “drunkenness” included all of those things as well.

Back in the day I used marijuana, and “experimented” with any one of a number of different illegal substances, and I have to tell you - I didn’t spend much time thinking about God when I was experiencing the effects of said such substances (I was too preoccupied with trying to find my “Dark Side Of The Moon” album).

Today I realize that as a Catholic, I have a responsibility to avoid the “near occasion of sin”. Being under the influence of anything leaves me vulnerable to temptation and sin, which is why I believe that the Biblical “drunkenness” most likely refers to the issue in a much broader sense. Demons can really “work their magic”, when the state of my body, mind and emotion are altered.

The ONLY time I would condone it’s use if it’s for medical purposes only. Even then I have reservations, because I KNOW that there will be people that will take advantage of, and exploit any legalization laws.

If it’s legalized just for the sake of being able to use it?

It’s funny. Americans do seem to have a fascination with making immoral things legal, don’t they?
 
I voted NO.

I don’t think cigarettes should be legal either, but it’s too late to outlaw it at this point. It should never have been made legal in the first place.

Let’s not repeat the same mistake with marijuana.

Just my 2 cents.
 
I think it should be legalized. It is relatively a minor drug on level I would say with alcohol or tobacco. Making things like this illegal really heightens levels of crime (like what happened during the prohibition, but it isn’t as extreme because it isn’t as widely used as alcohol) and just fills up our prisons with minor drug offenders

If we legalize it and tax it, then we won’t be wasting near as much time and money that can be used on other more important things…
 
JoArtist said:
I think it should be legalized. It is relatively a minor drug on level I would say with alcohol or tobacco. Making things like this illegal really heightens levels of crime (like what happened during the prohibition, but it isn’t as extreme because it isn’t as widely used as alcohol) and just fills up our prisons with minor drug offenders

If we legalize it and tax it, then we won’t be wasting near as much time and money that can be used on other more important things…
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Though my instincts say NO, these are very good points.

This is definitely a question to ponder…
 
JoArtist said:
I think it should be legalized. It is relatively a minor drug on level I would say with alcohol or tobacco. Making things like this illegal really heightens levels of crime (like what happened during the prohibition, but it isn’t as extreme because it isn’t as widely used as alcohol) and just fills up our prisons with minor drug offenders

If we legalize it and tax it, then we won’t be wasting near as much time and money that can be used on other more important things…
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Debora123 said:
Though my instincts say NO, these are very good points.

This is definitely a question to ponder…
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A minor drug… and what about crimes that individuals commit while under the influence of marijuana (or for that matter alcohol or any other mood/mind altering substance)?

Rapes, murders, muggings, acts of arson, robberies, hold-ups, car-jackings etc. - are those minor crimes, and will they go away if pot is legalized. Fact is, marijuana and other chemical substances impede an individuals ability to use sound reason and good judgement. Many a criminal has said openly in court that they wouldn’t have engaged in their criminal acts had it not been for the fact that they were high on something.

And what about the drug cartels? How do they deal with their competitors? Well - they kill off the competition… literally.

If marijuana is legalized in the USA, will it also be legalized in in countries like Mexico (read the news about the drug cartels there lately?). If it’s legalized in the USA, will the drug cartels go away? I think not. The heads of the cartels aren’t interested in getting high (rarely do they use their own merchandise), all they care about is making money and a lot of it. Supply and demand. The drug cartels (and I suspect the Mexican Government) will all want a “piece of the action”.

Sure, they can grow weed here in the US on state controlled farms, but will that stop certain folks from sneaking onto those farms in the midnight hour (another crime) so as to fill their coffers with a bit of cannabis? I suspect that they might want to sell the product (tax free of course) in order that they might profit as well (of course some of people that engage in such an activity will be doing so just to get a plain old fashioned freebee).

But let’s not consider any of those points. They’re irrelevant. The important thing is that I have my weed and I’m getting high… and I’m a happy camper.

Bottom line. People that want marijuana legalized just for the sake of using it, are really just pushing for the legal right to get intoxicated.

You could say that alcohol has an intoxicating effect (and you would be correct), however, there’s a big difference here.

An individual can have one or two drinks and NOT get intoxicated. But try doing that with one or two joints. Now some folks might have built up a resistance to the drug - they might have to use more in order to achieve a result, however, the effect that they are looking for ALWAYS ends with intoxication.

That’s why people use marijuana in the first place - to get high. If marijuana didn’t have an intoxicating effect, a lot of them wouldn’t bother to use it in the first place.

Now scripture DOES address the issue of drunkenness i.e. intoxication. Marijuana use gets you intoxicated. Scripture tells us that drunkenness i.e.intoxication is wrong. So when you face your maker, what are you going to say: “Well it was ok because it was legal”?

Don’t be surprised in God looks you in the eye and says “Not in MY book”, (which is the Bible of course). Who do you think wins the argument?

The laws of men are written by men. The laws of morality are written by God. Gods law takes precedence over mans law each and every time.
 
RastaPasta said:
Now scripture DOES address the issue of drunkenness i.e. intoxication. Marijuana use gets you intoxicated. Scripture tells us that drunkenness i.e.intoxication is wrong. So when you face your maker, what are you going to say: “Well it was ok because it was legal”?

Don’t be surprised in God looks you in the eye and says “Not in MY book”, (which is the Bible of course). Who do you think wins the argument?

The laws of men are written by men. The laws of morality are written by God. Gods law takes precedence over mans law each and every time.
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I don’t think anyone here is promoting the use of marijuana.

The discussion is about whether or not is should be legalized, not whether or not it’s right, or whether or not we should do it.

I’m sure everyone here agrees that it’s not a good idea at all to smoke marijuana and that doing so could very well be sinful to some degree. That’s not the issue.

The issue is the legalization of it. Honestly, I see good arguments on this from both sides and find myself somewhat divided on this issue. Ultimately though, I’d probably say NO, which is what I voted on in the poll.
 
Debora123 said:
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I don’t think anyone here is promoting the use of marijuana. The discussion is about whether or not is should be legalized, not whether or not it’s right, or whether or not we should do it.
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The fact that I don’t get high doesn’t morally justify the fact that someone else wants to “legally” get high.

As a practicing Catholic, it would be wrong for me to condone intoxication (my own or another individuals).

Legalizing marijuana does just that - condones intoxication. If I were to support the legalization of marijuana then I would be culpable of participating in a sin - whether I use the substance or not. That’s the question that every Catholic should ask themselves - should I support laws that condone intoxication?

That’s why I view any argument promoting the legalization of marijuana (except in medical cases) as moot.
 
RastaPasta said:
The fact that I don’t get high doesn’t morally justify the fact that someone else wants to “legally” get high.

As a practicing Catholic, it would be wrong for me to condone intoxication (my own or another individuals).

Legalizing marijuana does just that - condones intoxication. If I were to support the legalization of marijuana then I would be culpable of participating in a sin - whether I use the substance or not. That’s the question that every Catholic should ask themselves - should I support laws that condone intoxication?

That’s why I view any argument promoting the legalization of marijuana (except in medical cases) as moot.
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Should masturbation be illegal? If your answer to this question is no, then by your own argument you are “condoning” masturbation. :rolleyes:

Such is not the case. Just because someone thinks something shouldn’t be illegal doesn’t mean they condone it, it simply means they believe it to be the person’s personal right and free will, regardless of whether or not Christianity says it’s a sin.

If we started outlawing every act we condemned as Christians, this would very quickly turn into a Theocracy.

I’m not saying I think marijuana should be legal, I’m just pointing out the flaw in your argument as to WHY it should remain illegal.
 
Dredging up another old thread…

Oct 28, '09, 6:47 pm Original post.

This is one of those topics where people’s minds are not going to change, the sides are chosen, no one considers the other side’s opinions. The Libertarians are always going to say, “As long as it doesn’t harm anyone else…” ignoring the statistics that say drug use of ANY kind does harm others.

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TheRealJuliane said:
Dredging up another old thread…

Oct 28, '09, 6:47 pm Original post.

This is one of those topics where people’s minds are not going to change, the sides are chosen, no one considers the other side’s opinions. The Libertarians are always going to say, “As long as it doesn’t harm anyone else…” **ignoring the statistics that say drug use of ANY kind does harm others. **

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So then would you say alcohol and tobacco should be illegal? Because I’m pretty sure they do way more damage than marijuana would. 🤷
 
TheRealJuliane said:
Dredging up another old thread…

Oct 28, '09, 6:47 pm Original post.

This is one of those topics where people’s minds are not going to change, the sides are chosen, no one considers the other side’s opinions. The Libertarians are always going to say, “As long as it doesn’t harm anyone else…” ignoring the statistics that say drug use of ANY kind does harm others.

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I totally agree with you. Like people usually say; Don’t confuse me with the facts, my minds made up.

Personally; I’d like to see a new vehicles with their accompaniment of electronic options add a compulsory breathalyzer that detects alcohol blood level and TCH blood levels, along with a host of other mind altering drugs before it allows anyone to start their vehicle with a 0 tolerance level. 🤷 Perhaps the law is a little too draconian for some. 😉
 
If Jesus was thirsty he would have just drank the water instead of turning it to wine.
 
RastaPasta said:
Buy he wouldn’t have drank the wine to the point of intoxication.
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There is nothing wrong with getting buzzed, morally speaking. I’m sure they were all buzzed at Cana and Jesus Himself was called a drunkard, so I’m sure He experienced the effects of alcohol from time to time. Moderate marijuana use simply relaxes a person, maybe makes them a little goofy and hungry. When one becomes intoxicated to the point of losing one’s reason and free will, then it becomes sinful. On a side note, it is impossible to become intoxicated from marijuana because marijuana, unlike alcohol, is not a toxic substance. It does not kill brain cells like alcohol.

Now of course, marijuana can be used in excess, at which point the user will probably spend most of his days sitting on the couch eating pizza and playing XBox, but that’s about it.

I would say absolutely yes, marijuana should be legal.
 
I have a friend who summed up the legalization debate fairly well. He said that he believes there would not be any noticeable ill effects from legalization because we already legalize alcohol. He explained that he had seen scary, violent drunks; people who should never drink because of how they act while intoxicated. He had never seen a violent pothead.

I tend to agree. Sure, marijuana use is probably not healthy, but I seriously doubt it is sufficiently dangerous to justify waging a war against it.
 
Any substance can be abused. Cannabis does have medical benefits for some conditions, and is safer than many currently legal pain killers. For people with legitimate issues, I don’t see any issue in its use.
My neighbor died from morphine eventually stopping her heart, but her doctor wouldn’t prescribe her medical MJ, even though it’s legal in our state. I consider this tragic.
People die every day from prescription painkillers and over the counter meds. Heck, over 7,000 people die a year from caffiene in this country! No one has ever died from a cannabis related medicine.
And for the record, synthetic THC, the primary active in medical cannabis, has been sold legally for years as Marinol. The reason companies can’t successfully synthesize the drug is because there are dozens of actives which vary from variety to variety, and there hasn’t been enough study done.

Also, alcohol is very destructive and deadly, but it remains legal. Isn’t this a major contradiction?
 
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