Should people be allowed to wear shorts and sandals at Mass?

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I think the idea is behind the intention. If the person wears shorts because he doesn´t care about God…then we
  1. thank God he at least goes to church
  2. pray for his consciousness
But the intentions behinds ones decisions…made possible through conscious decisions of the conscience are something we can´t really touch.

Yeah, I think Jesus wore sandals to church.

I have two tattoos, one of them is commonly mistake for a simplistic version of a pentagram (it is a black star). I where short sleeved shirts sometimes to church because I am not thinking about my clothes but anticipating mass.

God bless,
Aaron
 
I never wear shorts to church, but I often wear sandals. I see nothing wrong with sandals: Fransiscans, Dominicans, and Benedictines wear them.
 
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There again, you’re making a leap:

“If people don’t dress the way I think they should dress, that means they have no respect for the Blessed Sacrament.” This is along the same line of reasoning that,“If people receive Communion in the hand, they don’t believe in the Real Presence” or “that old man didn’t genuflect properly, he only bowed, he’s disrespecting the Sacrament!” (never mind that if he genuflected, he’d fall over). Again, I think it would be better if we each worried about what WE’RE doing and leave our brothers and sisters to do the same.
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'Take the plank out of your eye before you take the speck out of your neighbors."

Yes, I tend to get rather internally upset by nit picking, but you don’t know what is in that person’s HEART.

If people wanted me to dress in a suit to Church, I’d let them buy me one, since mine got ruined when I moved and I can’t afford one.

I opened this post with a quote from Jesus in the NT so I’ll end it with a common quote.

“Don’t judge a book by it’s cover.”
 
sorry got the quote wrong its Mathew 6:25-34

25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?
26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?
27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?
28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:
29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?
31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.
33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
 
Basicaly the lord forbids us to keep an anxious spirit about the things in the world.

God bless
Marc
 
Edwin1961 said:
'Take the plank out of your eye before you take the speck out of your neighbors."

Yes, I tend to get rather internally upset by nit picking, but you don’t know what is in that person’s HEART.

If people wanted me to dress in a suit to Church, I’d let them buy me one, since mine got ruined when I moved and I can’t afford one.

I opened this post with a quote from Jesus in the NT so I’ll end it with a common quote.

“Don’t judge a book by it’s cover.”
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:amen: :clapping:
 
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aaronjmagnan:
I think the idea is behind the intention. If the person wears shorts because he doesn´t care about God…then we
  1. thank God he at least goes to church
  2. pray for his consciousness
But the intentions behinds ones decisions…made possible through conscious decisions of the conscience are something we can´t really touch.

Yeah, I think Jesus wore sandals to church.

I have two tattoos, one of them is commonly mistake for a simplistic version of a pentagram (it is a black star). I where short sleeved shirts sometimes to church because I am not thinking about my clothes but anticipating mass.

God bless,
Aaron
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That is A very sensible post!
I agree with you 100%
The way I was brought up, You wore your best to Church. If the best you had was Jeans, Tshirt ,shorts and sandals, then that is what you wore.
If however, you had a coat and tie, or nice dress, Then you would wear that, You would never leave dress clothes in the closet, and “dress down” to go to Church.
I find it funny some posters are saying how hot it is in Southern California, and therefore people wear shorts and T shirts to Mass.
I agree Southern Cal is hot. But try spending a summer here in my home state of Louisiana. Talk about hot and humid!
And we still manage to dress up for Mass on sunday. Except for the many homeless who come to our TLM. Many of them are dressed in no more than rags. But they are as clean as they can be, and we thank God they are there.

I “feel ya” on the tatto thing. I have quite A few myself , along with piercings, Due to my long association with skateboarding.
On Sundays I make sure they are Amply covered with A Coat and tie.
God Bless
 
What a stupid excuse to dress immodestly and irreverently - that it is hot! Is the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass about us or our comfort? What a Gnostic and a Protestant idea that only what is in our heart is important and that the body is unimportant in the worship of God. We worship with our bodies and our hearts. That is what is so wonderful about Catholic worship - our whole selves body, too.
So, if you regularly (not due to some disaster or calamity) wear immodest clothing to Holy Mass, what does that say about your awareness of being present at the greatest moment in all of time and history at the foot of the cross with Mary and St. John witnessing our Lord’s death? Is God truly present or not? Dress accordingly. Otherwise you are failing to give witness to yourself and to others that you believe Someone is present and something so important is happening at Mass that you will dress in a modest, clean and formal manner. It is an aid, not a hindrance to total worship.

Most churches are air conditioned and most cars are air conditoned. Many times I have walked 30 minutes to Mass in warm, humid weather and the chapel was not air conditoned and the priest was afraid of catching a cold, so all the windows were closed. Did anyone think of wearing shorts? No. In fact, the priest was sweating like crazy, since he was wearing all the prescribed garments.
What do Arabs wear in the desert where it is truly hot? The whole body is covered from head to toe.

I know of a priest who objected to a woman or girl wearing short shorts to Mass. He told her not to come into the church. There was such an uproar in that liberal parish that he was exiled by his superiors to a poor, black parish in Memphis. This priest was also the very first priest in the diocese who came and prayed the rosary with us at the local abortuary. The order of priests he belonged to are and were very liberal and dissident when it comes to liturgy.

If you need a suit, there are dozens to be had for less than the cost of a pair of new jeans at your local thrift store - Salvation Army or St. Vincent de Paul. Fr. Groeschel tells how well-dressed poor people in Harlem are for church. It is the rich and middle class who show such disrespect for the Holy Sacrifice by deliberately dressing like vagabonds or beach bums.
I shop often at a thrift store and there are two long racks of suits and more come in every day. So go check them out.

Lastly, the idolatry of comfort and convenience is the first commandment in our culture. Informality in dress is an outgrowth of this idolatry. Idolatry is not pleasing to God. So regard dressing up for Mass as a small way to do penance for the many times we have followed the god of comfort in our own lives instead of the God of Heaven and Earth.
 
It is very hot in Brisbane the Beautiful most of the year.

Women can wear sandals but men rarely do, because unless you are Canadian no-one would dream of wearing socks with sandals, whats the point?

Shorts are not encouraged in adults! Nor sarongs for women!😃
 
by the way, Catholic 90, you are your brother’s keeper. It is a sin to distract by posture or clothing or lack thereof in Mass. I thought we Catholic women wanted to give witness to purity in the way we dress?

If you don’t have any respect for yourself, at least be respectful of your brothers in Christ. Do you not care that they could go to hell because of the distractions caused by women wearing revealing clothing? Men are weak. Everywhere in our culture they are bombarded with temptations to impure thoughts and looks and during the Holy Sacrifice when they can see Purity Himself and find solace and strength, you are so uncharitable as to hinder them in finding union with God because you worship your own comfort rather than God?
It makes me cry. My own brother, Alan, is in danger of going to hell and I guess you don’t care. As you say, he should just pray harder. He is a sex addict. He told me that the way women dress-short skirts and dresses with slits- set his imaginations off. It has ruined his marriage. His son his following in his footsteps with drug and alcohol addictions and criminal convictions for stealing. Alan is in despair.
Again, here is Gnosticism rearing its ugly head, according to you, the body is unimportant, only the heart is.
God created us a unity of body and of spirit.
 
Of course people are making excuses to wear shorts and sandals at when Christ is crucified. I guess they wont be offended if any guest they invite to a wedding, awards banquet or funeral comes up in shorts and t-shirt. Try that to someone. IF your grandpa dies, I DARE you to wear shorts and t-shirt and later explain to grandma it is in your heart what counts.

A job interview is so important people will dress their best but when Christ dies, and is offered up to the Father, shorts seems to be ok with them. I don’t understand. American culture is so twisted that is sickening.

I can get a nice blue dress shirt, tie and khakis for only $30-60 dollars for every sunday. It aint expensive.

Funny people say if women dress imodestly, we need to pray harder. Excuse me, people have the right not to be distracted during Mass by immodest clothing.

Catholics have been conquered by America. It should of been that America would be conquered by Catholics, but we let ourselves be conquered by imitating secular culture.
 
Well, good luck guys, I was just taking a survey, and it seems that people are in favor of wearing shorts and t-shirts. This post told me alot about what people think of the Liturgy without even mentioning the liturgy.

It sounds very protestant and gnostic to me to say it only matters in the heart. It is saying that a women has tremendous respect for herself because her heart says so and walks around naked or looks like a prostitute It is almost saying that all we need is belief but no good works. Funny thing is that if a person is in mortal sin, no matter what his heart thinks, eternal damnation is likely if he does not go to confession.

I really dont have to worry about any of these things because i go to a TLM, where people take the liturgy seriously.

I hope all is well with yall.
 
I allow my daughters to wear shorts to church–if they are serving Mass.

The place where the altar servers sit is the hottest spot in our church. The air conditioning just doesn’t reach there. Occasionally servers have fainted from the heat. One of them was my older daughter, and she’s come close to fainting several times.

I figure they’re cooler in shorts, and the robes cover all.
 
Assuming that your not serving in the mass, I dont see how it would be a big deal. Especially since with the heat and humidity, it can feel as hot as 117. And not all churches have AC.

I might dress up to go on interviews and such, but I dont think God is as materialistic as the interviewer is.
 
Again to all who think dress is an important issue please read Matthew 6:25-34
Anyone disagree with the bible. Please leave your opinions on this!!

God bless marc.
 
As a child, the only place that I saw very informal dress was at a vacation spot, such as a scout camp. Of course during the week at a regular parish, people might wear work clothes if they were going to Mass before work. 🙂

Kathie :clapping:
 
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Iohannes:
I really dont have to worry about any of these things because i go to a TLM, where people take the liturgy seriously.

I hope all is well with yall.
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You asked in one of your earlier posts if it was “pharisaical.” Yes, it is. You just demonstrated it with the above highlighted area. “Oh, Lord, I thank thee that I am not as one of these. I attend the TLM, where people take the liturgy seriously!”

You won’t believe it, so it’s largely a waste of time and the calories it’s taking to move my fingers, but those of us who attend the Mass of Paul VI also take the liturgy seriously.

And if you attend the TLM, where you “really don’t have to worry about any of these things,” why did you bring it up? To stir up the cat box?
 
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Leeta:
What a stupid excuse to dress immodestly and irreverently - that it is hot! Is the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass about us or our comfort? What a Gnostic and a Protestant idea that only what is in our heart is important and that the body is unimportant in the worship of God. We worship with our bodies and our hearts. That is what is so wonderful about Catholic worship - our whole selves body, too.
So, if you regularly (not due to some disaster or calamity) wear immodest clothing to Holy Mass, what does that say about your awareness of being present at the greatest moment in all of time and history at the foot of the cross with Mary and St. John witnessing our Lord’s death? Is God truly present or not? Dress accordingly. Otherwise you are failing to give witness to yourself and to others that you believe Someone is present and something so important is happening at Mass that you will dress in a modest, clean and formal manner. It is an aid, not a hindrance to total worship.

Most churches are air conditioned and most cars are air conditoned. Many times I have walked 30 minutes to Mass in warm, humid weather and the chapel was not air conditoned and the priest was afraid of catching a cold, so all the windows were closed. Did anyone think of wearing shorts? No. In fact, the priest was sweating like crazy, since he was wearing all the prescribed garments.
What do Arabs wear in the desert where it is truly hot? The whole body is covered from head to toe.

I know of a priest who objected to a woman or girl wearing short shorts to Mass. He told her not to come into the church. There was such an uproar in that liberal parish that he was exiled by his superiors to a poor, black parish in Memphis. This priest was also the very first priest in the diocese who came and prayed the rosary with us at the local abortuary. The order of priests he belonged to are and were very liberal and dissident when it comes to liturgy.

If you need a suit, there are dozens to be had for less than the cost of a pair of new jeans at your local thrift store - Salvation Army or St. Vincent de Paul. Fr. Groeschel tells how well-dressed poor people in Harlem are for church. It is the rich and middle class who show such disrespect for the Holy Sacrifice by deliberately dressing like vagabonds or beach bums.
I shop often at a thrift store and there are two long racks of suits and more come in every day. So go check them out.

Lastly, the idolatry of comfort and convenience is the first commandment in our culture. Informality in dress is an outgrowth of this idolatry. Idolatry is not pleasing to God. So regard dressing up for Mass as a small way to do penance for the many times we have followed the god of comfort in our own lives instead of the God of Heaven and Earth.
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No one is suggesting that a modesty is the question. We distinguished between the need for modesty and the need for formal attire. I think everyone agreed that modesty was needed.

It isn’t gnostic nor Protestant to say that the type of clothing one wears to Mass is not important, as long as it’s modest. Gnosticism basically said that it didn’t matter whether the flesh was kept pure or not, as it was knowlege (gnosis), usually secret knowledge passed on by adepts or masters, that allowed one to attain paradise (there were different types of gnostics and they had different lexicons and differerent moral mores and norms). Neither is it Protestant, as there is no specific code that dictates precisely what to wear in the Catholic Church and the Protestant reformers didn’t “protest” against one. Protestants as a whole dress formally for church. You’re batting around jingoistic phrases and trying to label people or shame them into agreeing with your argument. In using the term gnostic and protestant in this particular argument, you’ve demonstrated that you’ve no understanding of either phenomenon.
 
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