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dnar
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What does everyone think?
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JReducation
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Fr. Jenkins cannot be fired. There is a contract between the Board of Trustees and the Brothers of the Holy Cross that says the President’s Office shall be held by a member of the Congregation of the Holy Cross.
The contract runs out next summer. At that time the Board of Trustees must
a) re-elect Fr. Jenkins
b) elect a new president from among the Brothers of the Holy Cross
The Provincial Superior must approve the candidates before they are elected. No member of a religious community can be elected to any office without permission from his or her major superior to accept the election. Therefore, the Provincial Superior has the right to require that Fr. Jenkins not accept the nomination for re-election.
Fraternally,
JR
The contract runs out next summer. At that time the Board of Trustees must
a) re-elect Fr. Jenkins
b) elect a new president from among the Brothers of the Holy Cross
The Provincial Superior must approve the candidates before they are elected. No member of a religious community can be elected to any office without permission from his or her major superior to accept the election. Therefore, the Provincial Superior has the right to require that Fr. Jenkins not accept the nomination for re-election.
Fraternally,
JR
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CatholicBoy1957
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Considering the glowing review he got from L’Osservatore Romano, and the lack of comment from Pope Benedict, it doesn’t look like it will happen.
It makes me wonder about the criticisms I’ve heard about Pope Pius XII, and his supposed silence during the Holocaust. Here’s Benedict’s opportunity to show otherwise, but it’s not happening. Does he not have any say over Fr. Jenkins? Is he afraid the Obama will increase oppression of Catholics in revenge if he speaks up?
It makes me wonder about the criticisms I’ve heard about Pope Pius XII, and his supposed silence during the Holocaust. Here’s Benedict’s opportunity to show otherwise, but it’s not happening. Does he not have any say over Fr. Jenkins? Is he afraid the Obama will increase oppression of Catholics in revenge if he speaks up?
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CatholicBoy1957
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Can’t the Pope at least shake his finger at Jenkins, the way John Paul did at Boff?Fr. Jenkins cannot be fired. There is a contract between the Board of Trustees and the Brothers of the Holy Cross that says the President’s Office shall be held by a member of the Congregation of the Holy Cross. The contract runs out next summer.
Fraternally,
JR
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Catholic20064
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I don’t think that it is realistic to expect him to be fired.
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Havard
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Many who speak for His Holiness have already done so, such as Bishop D’Arcy, the local authority, as well as Archbishop Burke, the Prefect of the Church’s highest judicial authority.
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JReducation
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The Holy Father can, but he won’t. He has made his position very clear. His papacy is focussed on theological issues and unity within the Church and with other faiths.
This is an internal affair of the university and the Congregation of the Holy Cross. Fr. Jenkins has a Provincial Superior to whom he answers. The Provincial Superior answers to the Superior General. The Superior General answers to the Sacred Congregation for Religious Institutes and Societies of Apostolic Life. The Congregation answers to the Holy Father.
The same thing happened with Fra. Leonardo, OFM. The Holy Father pointed the finger at him, but let it go at that. The Provincial Superior of the Franciscans had to deal with Fra. Leonardo.
This is called the principle of subsidiarity. You let the people in the chain of command do their job.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, OSF
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JPUSC
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Personally, I don’t really care what happens to him. I’m just not going to be listening to any more priests except the Pope since they all love to contradict each other and confuse us.
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nancit
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He should have his priestly duties removed…no more celebrating Mass, no more offering of any of the Sacraments…no more respect, period.
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bookgirl32
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Holy cow, please stop. This is exactly the kind of thing feeds Time magazine! Calm down and read the posts by JReducation.
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nancit
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Unfortunately, Bishop D’Arcy, also celebrated the Commencement Mass alongside Fr. Jenkins. He should have refused Fr. Jenkin’s the priviledge.
Sadly, not much is going to happen because no one is really serious about doing anything…its a hodge podge of administrative red tape. Personally, I believe Obama speaking and being honored at Notre Dame is more scandalous then some priest inappropriately hugging someone over their clothing 40 years ago!!
It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people’s minds. –Samuel Adams
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Havard
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You have your facts wrong. His Excellency did not celebrate the commencement.
“This will be the 25th Notre Dame graduation during my time as bishop. After much prayer, I have decided not to attend the graduation.” - Bishop John M. D’Arcy
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bkovacs
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Well make sure that Rome comes out with a new canon law that states no “contracts”Fr. Jenkins cannot be fired. There is a contract between the Board of Trustees and the Brothers of the Holy Cross that says the President’s Office shall be held by a member of the Congregation of the Holy Cross.
The contract runs out next summer. At that time the Board of Trustees must
a) re-elect Fr. Jenkins
b) elect a new president from among the Brothers of the Holy Cross
The Provincial Superior must approve the candidates before they are elected. No member of a religious community can be elected to any office without permission from his or her major superior to accept the election. Therefore, the Provincial Superior has the right to require that Fr. Jenkins not accept the nomination for re-election.
Fraternally,
JR
can ever be established with a religious order and an educational institution. That the Church allows religious orders to be present, but not in any form of contractual agreement. Of course Rome could also place the Brother of the Holy Cross under the USCCB in the future. After their contract runs out.
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JReducation
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The first person who would oppose you on this would be Pope Benedict XVI. Fr. Jenkins belongs to an exempt religious congregation that enjoys papal protection. They answer only to the Holy Father and the Holy Father is not getting involved in this. He is leaving this to the local superior.
But the superior does not have the authority to do any of the things that you would like to see happen. You cannot do that to priests who are also religious brothers in solemn vows. Fr. Jenkins is not just a priest, he is a brother. Therefore, he is protected by Pontifical Rights. The only one who can take those rights away is the Pontiff.
A Pontiff only takes those rights away when canon law is violated. Fr. Jenkins has not violated canon law. He did something that is in conflict with the position of the bishops. But he does not owe obedience to the bishops. He is a religious, not a diocesan priest. He can’t even be guilty of the sin of disobedience. If he is guilty of anything it would be lack of prudence and arrogance. But that is up to God to judge.
He remains a priest and a brother in good standing with the Catholic Church until his superiors or the Pope say he is not. There is no canonical reason to do so. Nor is there nothing in the constitutions of this congregation either.
What you are describing is an A Divinis Suspension. A religious brother who is also a priest does not incur an A Divinis Suspension for disregarding the opinion of bishops, because he is not within their jurisdiction. The relationship between bishops and religious is a weak one. Religious superiors of men are the Ordinaries of their communities. They have the same powers as bishops, even if they are brothers.
The bishops have authority over their diocese and diocesan institutions. Notre Dame is not a diocesan institution and the Congregation of the Holy Cross is not a diocesan congregation. It is Pontifical. And Notre Dame is a lay owned university, just like CAF is lay owned and operated and does not answer to the bishops. ND is staffed by the Congregation of the Holy Cross.
The Holy Father is unlikely to get involved in this. He has the universal Church to deal with, the Muslims and Jews, the liturgy and other theological issues.
This is a local matter between the USCCB and the Congregation of the Holy Cross.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, OSF
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nancit
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And this is why we continue to see confused Catholics, this is why we have immorality running rampant in society and this is why the Catholic Church loses credibility, sorry.The first person who would oppose you on this would be Pope Benedict XVI. Fr. Jenkins belongs to an exempt religious congregation that enjoys papal protection. They answer only to the Holy Father and the Holy Father is not getting involved in this. He is leaving this to the local superior.
But the superior does not have the authority to do any of the things that you would like to see happen. You cannot do that to priests who are also religious brothers in solemn vows. Fr. Jenkins is not just a priest, he is a brother. Therefore, he is protected by Pontifical Rights. The only one who can take those rights away is the Pontiff.
A Pontiff only takes those rights away when canon law is violated. Fr. Jenkins has not violated canon law. He did something that is in conflict with the position of the bishops. But he does not owe obedience to the bishops. He is a religious, not a diocesan priest. He can’t even be guilty of the sin of disobedience. If he is guilty of anything it would be lack of prudence and arrogance. But that is up to God to judge.
He remains a priest and a brother in good standing with the Catholic Church until his superiors or the Pope say he is not. There is no canonical reason to do so. Nor is there nothing in the constitutions of this congregation either.
What you are describing is an A Divinis Suspension. A religious brother who is also a priest does not incur an A Divinis Suspension for disregarding the opinion of bishops, because he is not within their jurisdiction. The relationship between bishops and religious is a weak one. Religious superiors of men are the Ordinaries of their communities. They have the same powers as bishops, even if they are brothers.
The bishops have authority over their diocese and diocesan institutions. Notre Dame is not a diocesan institution and the Congregation of the Holy Cross is not a diocesan congregation. It is Pontifical. And Notre Dame is a lay owned university, just like CAF is lay owned and operated and does not answer to the bishops. ND is staffed by the Congregation of the Holy Cross.
The Holy Father is unlikely to get involved in this. He has the universal Church to deal with, the Muslims and Jews, the liturgy and other theological issues.
This is a local matter between the USCCB and the Congregation of the Holy Cross.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, OSF
It disgusts me to see that this supposed “Catholic” university spit in the face of the teachings of the Church for the sake of $$$. It has sold out and all this is doing is furthering the attacks on the Church and distancing many from it!
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JReducation
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The first person who would oppose you on this would be Pope Benedict XVI. Fr. Jenkins belongs to an exempt religious congregation that enjoys papal protection. They answer only to the Holy Father and the Holy Father is not getting involved in this. He is leaving this to the local superior.
But the superior does not have the authority to do any of the things that you would like to see happen. You cannot do that to priests who are also religious brothers in solemn vows. Fr. Jenkins is not just a priest, he is a brother. Therefore, he is protected by Pontifical Rights. The only one who can take those rights away is the Pontiff.
A Pontiff only takes those rights away when canon law is violated. Fr. Jenkins has not violated canon law. He did something that is in conflict with the position of the bishops. But he does not owe obedience to the bishops. He is a religious, not a diocesan priest. He can’t even be guilty of the sin of disobedience. If he is guilty of anything it would be lack of prudence and arrogance. But that is up to God to judge.
He remains a priest and a brother in good standing with the Catholic Church until his superiors or the Pope say he is not. There is no canonical reason to do so. Nor is there nothing in the constitutions of this congregation either.
What you are describing is an A Divinis Suspension. A religious brother who is also a priest does not incur an A Divinis Suspension for disregarding the opinion of bishops, because he is not within their jurisdiction. The relationship between bishops and religious is a weak one. Religious superiors of men are the Ordinaries of their communities. They have the same powers as bishops, even if they are brothers.
The bishops have authority over their diocese and diocesan institutions. Notre Dame is not a diocesan institution and the Congregation of the Holy Cross is not a diocesan congregation. It is Pontifical. And Notre Dame is a lay owned university, just like CAF is lay owned and operated and does not answer to the bishops. ND is staffed by the Congregation of the Holy Cross.
The Holy Father is unlikely to get involved in this. He has the universal Church to deal with, the Muslims and Jews, the liturgy and other theological issues.
This is a local matter between the USCCB and the Congregation of the Holy Cross.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, OSF
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nancit
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No, you are wrong…he did not attend the Graduation ceremony on Sunday, but he did celebrate the commencement Mass on Saturday.
fox28.com/Global/story.asp?S=10374909
The commencement Mass this evening at the Joyce Center was presided over by both university **President Rev. John Jenkins and Bishop John D’Arcy, **who plans to skip tomorrow’s commencement because Of Obama’s presence, but neither mentioned the controversy during the 85-minute service.
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bookgirl32
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Listen to what you’re saying: because Pope B. has chosen to leave the matter to the responsibility of the people who were put in place by either him or JPII there is immorality running rampant in society? I am absolutely as angered as you are at Jenkins and what he’s done, but the Church has been around for 2000 years and is still here, there are reasons for that.
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JReducation
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Bold is mine.
Theologically you can never place any religious under bishops. Religious have their own Ordinaries. One cannot have two obediences of equal power and authority.
The first obedience of a religious is the found and his canonical successors. The bishops are not canonical successors of the founders.
As to the agreement between congregations and lay boards, that’s out of the hands of canon law. Religious congregations and religious orders have Pontifical Rights. The Holy Father is the only person who can decide this. The Vatican has already decided that these agreements are legal.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, OSF
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nancit
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The Church is losing credibility because they refuse to take a stand on ANYTHING…and those who were in charge are responsible, period.
And that’s not what I said…I said that immorality is running rampant in society because NO ONE is willing to make a real stand against it. Few priests are held accountable for their actions or non-actions and way too many won’t even speak up for fear of what? Offending their flock? That’s ridiculous…priests used to be the leaders in society…they were highly respected and society in general looked for their guidance in all matters of life. Today, they are made irrelevant by society, in fact, they are, sadly, make a mockery of…and they say nothing and do nothing. In the mean time, Catholics are being mis-informed, misled and mis-guided…creating more sin, causing more immorality and basically causing the downfall of our nation.
Its pretty sad when 74 Bishops speak out against ONE priest…and his decision…yet NONE of them have the authority to actually do anything about it! When not ONE of them as ANY bit of influence over him…and all for the sake of the almighty $$$$
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