Should Satanism be illegal?

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In general Satanist don’t believe there is a Satan. They don’t think there is a God either. The figure of Baphomet (the goat headed figure) is used as a symbol and is not thought to be a likeness of any existing god/spirit/creature.

There are different types of Satanist. Levayen Satanist are the most well known and place high value of self importance. There are also the Luciferians. I get the feeling people here see most Satanist as spiritual Satanist (the ones that think Satan is a real entity). These are not as common.

Lucifarians and LeVayens are atheist and will describe themselves as such. But they seem to like to exercise their right to freedom of expression in a ceremonial way.
 
Jerbear said:
I’m not saying I respect Satanism or whatever it’s called but exactly how is it not a faith?
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Satanist don’t necessarily believe there is a Satan or a God. Satan may be invoked as a symbolic and not an actual being.
 
ThinkingSapien said:
Satanist don’t necessarily believe there is a Satan or a God. Satan may be invoked as a symbolic and not an actual being.
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Kinda seems irrelevant to the question.
Atheists don’t believe there’s a God either, but try making that illegal.
 
MacQ said:
Kinda seems irrelevant to the question.
Atheists don’t believe there’s a God either, but try making that illegal.
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It is relevant to the message to which I responded.
 
Aelred_Minor said:
Also some years ago in Schenectady some people were sacrificing cats in a cemetery. Don’t know if they were Satanists but creepy stuff does happen.
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Levey (of Leveyan Satanism, to most well known type) explicitly condemns torturing animals. That’s not to say people don’t torture cats; I had a classmate in elementary school that routinely did that and a neighbor that beheaded and removed the limbs of one of my cats because she felt we were responsible for her dogs death when it got its head stuck under our fence while digging and drowned in melting snow.

Don’t know if you are young enough to remember the “Satanic Panic” in the USA. Some of the stories from that period come up from time to time.
 
The first amendment to the Constitution states, in part: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”

As long as Satanists are not breaking laws, they should be free to practice their “religion,” no matter how evil it may be.
 
Madmaxepic said:
I recently stated my opinion elsewhere that I think Satanism should be illegal, and the opinion was not met with much approval.

Should Satanism be illegal, or is it wrong for me to think that?

Also, if this thread doesn’t belong here, please correct me, I’m new here.
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Satanism absolutely should be illegal. In addition to being among the most vile of religions possible, it is also extremely dangerous even to innocents (there is the danger of demons becoming attached to a certain place, and thereby attacking other people).
 
Even if we decided that religious freedom isn’t important, I don’t see why we would worry about banning something when that something doesn’t exist in the first place. As far as I can tell, the vast majority of self-professed “Satanists” are simply atheists who like to employ demonic imagery in order to appear rebellious and shocking.
 
Bran_Stark said:
Even if we decided that religious freedom isn’t important, I don’t see why we would worry about banning something when that something doesn’t exist in the first place. As far as I can tell, the vast majority of self-professed “Satanists” are simply atheists who like to employ demonic imagery in order to appear rebellious and shocking.
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Do you not think that the evil one can use such hooliganism to his advantage?
 
Paleocon said:
Do you not think that the evil one can use such hooliganism to his advantage?
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I’m sure he can, but I think his most dangerous tools are the subtle ones, not bored teenagers in black makeup.
 
Bran_Stark said:
I’m sure he can, but I think his most dangerous tools are the subtle ones, not bored teenagers in black makeup.
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On the contrary, while his more subtle tools may be more common, they are certainly less dangerous.

To deny this is like those who claim that the flu is worse than Ebola because it kills more people. Sure it’s more common and thus more relevant to our everyday lives, but that doesn’t change the fact that Ebola is a worse disease.

So too, even though people being unloving and the like is much more common than people conjuring demons, it can hardly be doubted that, considering individual acts, conjuring demons is much more harmful.
 
Of course no religion, ANY religion should be illegal. Even the detestful Westboro Baptists have their right to practice and believe whatever they want.

So no, Satanism should not be illegal.

What should be illegal, and is, is hurting or killing others in the name of religion.
 
Our country is based on the goodness of one good God, not an evil one. Why on earth would we want to make evil part of our culture?
 
Paleocon said:
On the contrary, while his more subtle tools may be more common, they are certainly less dangerous.

To deny this is like those who claim that the flu is worse than Ebola because it kills more people. Sure it’s more common and thus more relevant to our everyday lives, but that doesn’t change the fact that Ebola is a worse disease.

So too, even though people being unloving and the like is much more common than people conjuring demons, it can hardly be doubted that, considering individual acts, conjuring demons is much more harmful.
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If it were possible to prove in a court of law that a given “Satanist” really did conjure a demon with the intent to harm someone, it should certainly be punished. But I’m not sure how we would go about proving that.
 
Bran_Stark said:
If it were possible to prove in a court of law that a given “Satanist” really did conjure a demon with the intent to harm someone, it should certainly be punished. But I’m not sure how we would go about proving that.
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Why should it be necessary to prove that?

Drunk drivers are punished even if they neither harmed not intended to harm anyone.

Since conjuring demons, even in jest, is gravely dangerous, it should be punished.
 
Paleocon said:
Why should it be necessary to prove that?

Drunk drivers are punished even if they neither harmed not intended to harm anyone.

Since conjuring demons, even in jest, is gravely dangerous, it should be punished.
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With drink drivers there are recent concrete examples that links drunk driving with a high likelihood of harm.

Do you think it can be proven in the courts that a) demons exist*, b) they enter or influence the material world, c) can be summoned, and d) are very likely to harm others?

*Not a challenge to your beliefs but the difficulties in proving it to the extent required to push such legislation or succeed at trial.
 
HerCrazierHalf said:
With drink drivers there are recent concrete examples that links drunk driving with a high likelihood of harm.

Do you think it can be proven in the courts that a) demons exist*, b) they enter or influence the material world, c) can be summoned, and d) are very likely to harm others?

*Not a challenge to your beliefs but the difficulties in proving it to the extent required to push such legislation or succeed at trial.
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That demons exist and can harm others is not a proposition that should be proven in court but rather one which should be recognized by law. Obviously such a law would pass only if the legislators believed this.
 
Paleocon said:
That demons exist and can harm others is not a proposition that should be proven in court but rather one which should be recognized by law. Obviously such a law would pass only if the legislators believed this.
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And of course, legislators will only believe if demons were rampaging in the manner depicted below:

 
Yes, the idea that people should be free to worship Satan/evil is a joke and a sign of how intellectually impoverished our culture is.
 
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