Should science be secular?

[Kaninchen]

*What would a ‘religious’ science look like? *

Well, we know what an atheistic science looks like, don’t we? Pure hogwash.

Max Born Quantum Physicist
“Those who say that the study of science makes a man an atheist must be rather silly.”

Your opinions of current science and atheists apart, asking what a ‘religious’ science would look like is a fair question.

 

[Moonstruck888]

Everything in your philosophy rests upon the supreme reality that there is no Spirit anywhere. Instead of your spirit soaring to God every Sunday morning, it is tied by slumber or by the New York Times to your bedpost!

You do realise that they don’t sell the New York post in Scotland?

Your cavalier dismissal of Newton’s genius fortunately will not hold. The Royal Society voted him the greatest genius of all time, surpassing even Einstein.

I never said Newton wasn’t a genius. He was without doubt a genius. That still did not protect him from being utterly, stupidly wrong in his assertion that no human could figure out the multiple body motion problem.

Yes, I thought that would get your goat. Every proposal for explaining abiogenesis is based on an imaginary model, not actual science. That is why ID is just as feasible as any other model, and more so than some because all the others rely on pure speculation, whereas ID relies on the pure logic of the plausible versus the virtually impossible.

You really are utterly impervious to education aren’t you?

Scientists know exactly how phospholipid bi-layers form membranes. Scientists know how the nucleobases are formed. Scientists understand the structure of DNA, how it replicates, transcripts and translates. Scientists understand genetic mutation, which would have been instrumental in forming the first cells.

You’re talking rubbish. ID is not even science, in fact it’s not even wrong!

 

[Charlemagne_II]

I never said Newton wasn’t a genius. He was without doubt a genius. That still did not protect him from being utterly, stupidly wrong in his assertion that no human could figure out the multiple body motion problem.

Ah well, of course you would be the one to know that Newton was stupid. I prefer to think he was only arrogant, like some scientific types I know.

*You really are utterly impervious to education aren’t you?

Scientists know exactly how phospholipid bi-layers form membranes. Scientists know how the nucleobases are formed. Scientists understand the structure of DNA, how it replicates, transcripts and translates. Scientists understand genetic mutation, which would have been instrumental in forming the first cells.*

I leave it to others to judge the remarks you have just made, which have nothing to do with proving abiogenesis.

 

[Moonstruck888]

Ah well, of course you would be the one to know that Newton was stupid.

Everyone who ever has or ever will live does stupid things. Even Newton.

I leave it to others to judge the remarks you have just made, which have nothing to do with proving abiogenesis.

So you don’t think that understanding how the first cells formed has anything to do with proving abiogenesis?

And you’ll “leave it to the others” will you?

I don’t blame you. If I’d said something that stupid, I’d be out of this thread like a greyhound out of trap three as well…

 

[Charlemagne_II]

moonstruck

*So you don’t think that understanding how the first cells formed has anything to do with proving abiogenesis? *

You **haven’t told us **how the first cells formed. No evolutionist has or can. Don’t you get it?

 

[Moonstruck888]

moonstruck

*So you don’t think that understanding how the first cells formed has anything to do with proving abiogenesis? *

You **haven’t told us **how the first cells formed. No evolutionist has or can. Don’t you get it?

Actually you’re wrong. I could tell you how the first cells formed if I was willing to write a twenty thousand word essay that you wouldn’t understand anyway.

What I can’t do, or any other evolutionist, yet, is verify my conclusions experimentally.

 

[Charlemagne_II]

*What I can’t do, or any other evolutionist, yet, is verify my conclusions experimentally. *

Words abound … where’s the beef?

 

[Moonstruck888]

*What I can’t do, or any other evolutionist, yet, is verify my conclusions experimentally. *

Words abound … where’s the beef?

The fact that you were lying. That’s the beef. You’re exact words were “no scientist has the foggiest” and that is an out and out lie.

YOU don’t have the foggiest, ergo in your arrogant little mind, nobody does.

 

[colmcille1]

*What I can’t do, or any other evolutionist, yet, is verify my conclusions experimentally. *

Words abound … where’s the beef?

Hi, all True believers,
Pity some of the sad posters here. In seeing the enemy fully we also see the possibility of change. There is more than a whiff of narcissism from the words issuing from these posters; there are depictions of stereotypes; there is a dour absence of humour; there is a latent rage that finds an outlet in snide remarks and personal abuse. They operate from the base line of NO RESPONSIBILITY to any creed or church. (Imagine being in the emotional desert of this NO RESPONSIBILITY as an adult?)
They are here to engage in bloody-minded argument. The topic is immaterial. Learning is non-existent. Animal scrapping is where it’s at.
I pray for these posters. Not that they care about prayer. But that, surely, is not the point. Because in the final analysis we believe that we are all made in His image; and as long as we believe this and try to do our duty by changing this world, then there is hope that they too, like countless others through history, will walk peacefully in His Way.
God Bless,
Colmcille1.

 

[Moonstruck888]

They operate from the base line of NO RESPONSIBILITY to any creed or church. (Imagine being in the emotional desert of this NO RESPONSIBILITY as an adult?)

Imagine, as an adult, being in the sad predicament of needing to abrogate responsibility to an invisible invigilator? What could be more emotionally stunted than that?

there is a dour absence of humour

ROFTL!!! Did it ever occur to you that maybe you just aren’t funny?

PS: I’m laughing at you, not with you.

 

[colmcille1]

Hi all True believers,
A case in point…
God Bless,
Colmcille1.

 

[Moonstruck888]

Hi all True believers,
A case in point…
God Bless,
Colmcille1.

I at least can take what I dish out without having a coniption fit and posting hypocritical recriminations in large bold letters.

You have no faith, no hope and no charity in your soul. There’s nothing nice, Christ like or decent about you. You are driven by vanity and false piety.

Don’t dish out uncharitable insults and racist snipes under the guise of piety, or be prepared to have piety despised.

 

[colmcille1]

Hi all True believers,
Another ruse employed by those with NO RESPONSIBILITY is to use anger to try to demonstrate what Faith is! This is terribly sad. But prayer can overcome all such displays of vanity.
God Bless,
Colmcille1.

 

[Moonstruck888]

Hi all True believers,
Another ruse employed by those with NO RESPONSIBILITY is to use anger to try to demonstrate what Faith is! This is terribly sad. But prayer can overcome all such displays of vanity.
God Bless,
Colmcille1.

I can’t wait till you and I meet in Hell my vainglorious little friend… :nunchuk:

 

[larkin31]

*What I can’t do, or any other evolutionist, yet, is verify my conclusions experimentally. *

Words abound … where’s the beef?

this has become boring, intellectually

Is this your criticism of science, that it does not absolutely know all? Do you know that not even my high school students pin their argumentative hats on such obvious truisms? Is there some point you would like to make beyond repeating, “But science doesn’t know everything”?

 

[larkin31]

… They operate from the base line of NO RESPONSIBILITY to any creed or church. (Imagine being in the emotional desert of this NO RESPONSIBILITY as an adult?)

Atheists do not abrogate responsibility. That is a false claim.

 

[colmcille1]

Hi all True believers,
We must ALWAYS keep in the forefront of our minds that, though we may pray to the Lord, there are those who are lonely and who do not pray.
We must pray for them too.
God Bless,
Colmcille1.

 

[Charlemagne_II]

moonstruck and larkin

When it comes to science, it appears that you are both rank amateurs.

Here is the bottom line. You can deny it all you want and rage and rant against those who call you to account, but there absolutely no evidence of how the first living cell came into being. You know it was not by evolution because there was no living being to evolve from. Somehow you have some kind of magical knowledge that what looks like it was designed was not. But then you deny it came about by chance over the course of a million years. Then you allow that some other process than chance or design or evolution caused the first living cell, but you are speechless to name it. That is not proof. That is an unproven assertion.

Stop the ranting and raging while you’re at it.

 

[larkin31]

moonstruck and larkin

When it comes to science, it appears that you are both rank amateurs.

Here is the bottom line. You can deny it all you want and rage and rant against those who call you to account, but there absolutely no evidence of how the first living cell came into being. You know it was not by evolution because there was no living being to evolve from. Somehow you have some kind of magical knowledge that what looks like it was designed was not. But then you deny it came about by chance over the course of a million years. Then you allow that some other process than chance or design or evolution caused the first living cell, but you are speechless to name it. That is not proof. That is an unproven assertion.

Stop the ranting and raging while you’re at it.

The only thing I have to say is that you are a liar or grossly negligent in your summaries of what I have written. I am dumbfounded by this. It is like you have not read a thing I have written.

Tell me, flat out and direct, do you read my posts in this thread?

 

[Charlemagne_II]

larkin

The only thing I have to say is that you are a liar or grossly negligent in your summaries of what I have written. I am dumbfounded by this. It is like you have not read a thing I have written.

Obviously I read them or I would not reply to them.

Do you not see your sentences above as more rant?