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Ani_Ibi
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Whew. What a fine piece of writing. Goodden comes through again!
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Rosalinda
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This letter just off to the President of UWO who Judy Rebick is encouraging people to write to today.
Dear Mr. Davenport:
The decision of your university to award an abortionist who has reduced the number of your potential future students and donors is foolhardy. Your refusal to admit your mistake has been called courageous by some but how anyone can
pride himself for defending the indefensible remains unfathomable to me. Morgentaler has discovered nothing; has created nothing; has contributed nothing to the advancement of knowledge or science. His only legacy is death and trauma.
“Tell me what you honor and I will tell you what you are.” You are honoring two people: Morgentaler and Anderson, responsible for the promotion and destruction of human life. Rather than protecting the welfare of the young women at your university you are encouraging them to choose a self-destructive choice that will haunt them the rest of their lives because the destiny of mother and child are inextricably linked. It is impossible to
destroy the one without harming the other. Women who endure a procured abortion are hurt in ways you haven’t even bothered to investigate.
For the aforementionned reasons your victory June 16 will be a very hallow one indeed.
Feel free to copy and forward to: pdavenport@uwo.ca
Dear Mr. Davenport:
The decision of your university to award an abortionist who has reduced the number of your potential future students and donors is foolhardy. Your refusal to admit your mistake has been called courageous by some but how anyone can
pride himself for defending the indefensible remains unfathomable to me. Morgentaler has discovered nothing; has created nothing; has contributed nothing to the advancement of knowledge or science. His only legacy is death and trauma.
“Tell me what you honor and I will tell you what you are.” You are honoring two people: Morgentaler and Anderson, responsible for the promotion and destruction of human life. Rather than protecting the welfare of the young women at your university you are encouraging them to choose a self-destructive choice that will haunt them the rest of their lives because the destiny of mother and child are inextricably linked. It is impossible to
destroy the one without harming the other. Women who endure a procured abortion are hurt in ways you haven’t even bothered to investigate.
For the aforementionned reasons your victory June 16 will be a very hallow one indeed.
Feel free to copy and forward to: pdavenport@uwo.ca
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divine_apostle
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look we students should be involved in this debate! i hate the murder of my brothers and sisters! therefore i can not stand by and watch those people in their nice little clean clinics murder them! do you hear me! if there is one teacher in my school that supports abortion i will rip her a new *** you know what i mean! im going into 9th grade and im ready too take you down if you support abortion! 
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Well done and well said, Rosalinda.
I think ALL the women on this forum should do exactly what you suggested.
As you’ll note, I enlarged your type Size to Size=3. I and others are getting old and have Presbyopia. Your stuff is important enough for even those of us who are older than you to read.
Could you please consider that when you post? Thanks.
Blessed are they who act to save God’s Little Ones. Michael
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Traditional_Ang
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divine apostle:
Cool it down… That’s the way the PRO-ABORTS TALK!
If you had a chance to see the Students who are going Cross-Country right now, they’ve had quite a few exchanges with Pro-Aborts and people who are just confused. Our guys are always polite and always have the facts at their fingertips. The Pro-Aborts are almost always rude and obnoxious.
The difference in example, in WITNESS, oftentimes sways the confused to our side.
When a bunch of Pro-Lifers marched on San Francisco, the SFPD had to be called out to protect the Pro-Lifers from the “Tolerant” Pro-Aborts" who were really way out of hand. Even the San Frecisco Chronocle, no friend of the Pro-Life Movement or of the Catholic Church, expressed dismay at the appalling way the Pro-Aborts behaved towards the Pro-lifers, esp. when contrasted to the decent and courteous manner of the Pro-Lifers in the face of this appalling and assaultive behaviour.
Divine Apostle, we’ll convert as many people with our decency as with our words and arguments, and maybe even more.
Don’t get me wrong - we need your passion, and I’m glad to see it. But, please remember, “Man’s ‘righteous’ indignation rarely produces God’s results.”
And, Please remember, we’re supposed to want these people to repent and be saved, because that’s what God wants.
Blessed are they who act to save God’s Little Ones. Michael
Divine Apostle:look we students should be involved in this debate! i hate the murder of my brothers and sisters! therefore i can not stand by and watch those people in their nice little clean clinics murder them! do you hear me! if there is one teacher in my school that supports abortion i will rip her a new *** you know what i mean! im going into 9th grade and im ready too take you down if you support abortion!
Cool it down… That’s the way the PRO-ABORTS TALK!
If you had a chance to see the Students who are going Cross-Country right now, they’ve had quite a few exchanges with Pro-Aborts and people who are just confused. Our guys are always polite and always have the facts at their fingertips. The Pro-Aborts are almost always rude and obnoxious.
The difference in example, in WITNESS, oftentimes sways the confused to our side.
When a bunch of Pro-Lifers marched on San Francisco, the SFPD had to be called out to protect the Pro-Lifers from the “Tolerant” Pro-Aborts" who were really way out of hand. Even the San Frecisco Chronocle, no friend of the Pro-Life Movement or of the Catholic Church, expressed dismay at the appalling way the Pro-Aborts behaved towards the Pro-lifers, esp. when contrasted to the decent and courteous manner of the Pro-Lifers in the face of this appalling and assaultive behaviour.
Divine Apostle, we’ll convert as many people with our decency as with our words and arguments, and maybe even more.
Don’t get me wrong - we need your passion, and I’m glad to see it. But, please remember, “Man’s ‘righteous’ indignation rarely produces God’s results.”
And, Please remember, we’re supposed to want these people to repent and be saved, because that’s what God wants.
Blessed are they who act to save God’s Little Ones. Michael
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Traditional_Ang
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This is my letter using Rosalinda’s Letter:
Re: A letter sent to you from a friend:
To: pdavenport@uwo.ca
Dear Dr. Davenport:
A friend of mine just e-mailed you a letter in which she said the following:
*Dear Mr. Davenport:
The decision of your university to award an abortionist who has reduced the number of your potential future students and donors is foolhardy. Your refusal to admit your mistake has been called courageous by some but how anyone can pride himself for defending the indefensible remains unfathomable to me. Morgentaler has discovered nothing; has created nothing; has contributed nothing to the advancement of knowledge or science. His only legacy is death and trauma.
“Tell me what you honor and I will tell you what you are.” You are honoring two people: Morgentaler and Anderson, responsible for the promotion and destruction of human life. Rather than protecting the welfare of the young women at your university you are encouraging them to choose a self-destructive choice that will haunt them the rest of their lives because the destiny of mother and child are inextricably linked. It is impossible to destroy the one without harming the other. Women who endure a procured abortion are hurt in ways you haven’t even bothered to investigate.
For the aforementionned reasons your victory June 16 will be a very hallow one indeed.*
Dr. Davenport, I couldn’t have said it better myself. I can only hope that you and Dr. Killan will listen to pleas like the one above. and, If you can’t, that you’ll have the good sense to see the damage you’ve done to the Catholic Colleges within the University of Western Ontario, and to resign your post.
Regards,
Name and Address on Original
I believe this is one way to use Rosalinda’s letter. I expand my recommendation from before. anybody who is at a loss for words should go ahead and use her letter.
Thank You, Rosalinda.
Blessed are they who act to save God’s Little Ones. Michael
Re: A letter sent to you from a friend:
To: pdavenport@uwo.ca
Dear Dr. Davenport:
A friend of mine just e-mailed you a letter in which she said the following:
*Dear Mr. Davenport:
The decision of your university to award an abortionist who has reduced the number of your potential future students and donors is foolhardy. Your refusal to admit your mistake has been called courageous by some but how anyone can pride himself for defending the indefensible remains unfathomable to me. Morgentaler has discovered nothing; has created nothing; has contributed nothing to the advancement of knowledge or science. His only legacy is death and trauma.
“Tell me what you honor and I will tell you what you are.” You are honoring two people: Morgentaler and Anderson, responsible for the promotion and destruction of human life. Rather than protecting the welfare of the young women at your university you are encouraging them to choose a self-destructive choice that will haunt them the rest of their lives because the destiny of mother and child are inextricably linked. It is impossible to destroy the one without harming the other. Women who endure a procured abortion are hurt in ways you haven’t even bothered to investigate.
For the aforementionned reasons your victory June 16 will be a very hallow one indeed.*
Dr. Davenport, I couldn’t have said it better myself. I can only hope that you and Dr. Killan will listen to pleas like the one above. and, If you can’t, that you’ll have the good sense to see the damage you’ve done to the Catholic Colleges within the University of Western Ontario, and to resign your post.
Regards,
Name and Address on Original
I believe this is one way to use Rosalinda’s letter. I expand my recommendation from before. anybody who is at a loss for words should go ahead and use her letter.
Thank You, Rosalinda.
Blessed are they who act to save God’s Little Ones. Michael
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Rosalinda
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**Thank you Traditional Ang for sending the letter to the UWO president and for calling me ‘friend’. Please note there was a spelling error in my letter: hallow **victory should be corrected to read hollow victory.
As for the typesetting at point 3 it is a good suggestion which I noted when viewing the screen of a friend. It was impossible to read a lot of the small print. People from the disabled community receive old computers with low resolution screens when people upgrade to better ones so please keep in mind readers at a disadvantage. The disabled are keenly interested in the prolife issues and they want to participate in creating a future of hope too.
As for the typesetting at point 3 it is a good suggestion which I noted when viewing the screen of a friend. It was impossible to read a lot of the small print. People from the disabled community receive old computers with low resolution screens when people upgrade to better ones so please keep in mind readers at a disadvantage. The disabled are keenly interested in the prolife issues and they want to participate in creating a future of hope too.
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Rosalinda
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The debate in the letters to the Free Press continues today with 2 opposing viewpoints published. The first is by Lorraine Moir of Lucan.
"Sacred Heart pupils take moral stand
For those opposed to Sacred Heart students wearing wristbands to their track meet at UWO to protest the honour being given to Dr. Henry Morgentaler, I have two arguments.
First, as a parent, I have the right and the responsibility to teach my children about moral issues affecting our society, whether they be environmental issues, poverty or other social justice issues, including abortion. Of course, I also encourage them to act upon these issues in any way they are able, to effect positive societal change. These Parkhill students did just that by wearing wristbands in protest.
Second, my children, ages 10, 12 and 14, understand the abortion issue well enough to know that terminating a life is never justified. I would suggest that most children would likewise understand if their parents taught them. I’m sure this was the case with the Sacred Heart students because parents were asked to discuss the issue as a family before asking their children if they felt comfortable wearing the wristbands in protest.
We often hear the expression, “Think globally; act locally” in reference to environmental issues. Way to go, Sacred Heart students, for doing just that with the abortion issue."
"Sacred Heart pupils take moral stand
For those opposed to Sacred Heart students wearing wristbands to their track meet at UWO to protest the honour being given to Dr. Henry Morgentaler, I have two arguments.
First, as a parent, I have the right and the responsibility to teach my children about moral issues affecting our society, whether they be environmental issues, poverty or other social justice issues, including abortion. Of course, I also encourage them to act upon these issues in any way they are able, to effect positive societal change. These Parkhill students did just that by wearing wristbands in protest.
Second, my children, ages 10, 12 and 14, understand the abortion issue well enough to know that terminating a life is never justified. I would suggest that most children would likewise understand if their parents taught them. I’m sure this was the case with the Sacred Heart students because parents were asked to discuss the issue as a family before asking their children if they felt comfortable wearing the wristbands in protest.
We often hear the expression, “Think globally; act locally” in reference to environmental issues. Way to go, Sacred Heart students, for doing just that with the abortion issue."
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Rosalinda
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This is the second one by Art Boudreau of London.
Wristband protest looks to be staged
"There have been several letters to the editor commending the children who had the courage to wear a black wristband to show they were taking a stand against abortion and the honour to be paid to Dr. Henry Morgentaler. Before I decide whether they were courageous kids or docile dupes, I have a few questions.
Did the kids organize the protest or did the parents?
Did they know why they were wearing a black wristband or did it have to be explained to them?
How many had expressed their concern about abortion before the protest?
Are the kids planning a similar protest against same-sex marriages?
Oh, wait a minute. I think I already know the answers."
Wristband protest looks to be staged
"There have been several letters to the editor commending the children who had the courage to wear a black wristband to show they were taking a stand against abortion and the honour to be paid to Dr. Henry Morgentaler. Before I decide whether they were courageous kids or docile dupes, I have a few questions.
Did the kids organize the protest or did the parents?
Did they know why they were wearing a black wristband or did it have to be explained to them?
How many had expressed their concern about abortion before the protest?
Are the kids planning a similar protest against same-sex marriages?
Oh, wait a minute. I think I already know the answers."
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Rosalinda
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The following by Carrie McGregor appeared in the LFP as a REBUTTAL piece.
Goodden has much to learn about right to abortion
This is in regard to Herman Goodden’s column, Sarcred Heart Pupils’ Protest show the way(June 10).
Although I am an extremely strong believer in pro-choice, I disagree that this year’s UWO convocation is the place or time to give Dr. Henry Morg. an honorary degree. It’s not necessary for us to mix a proud, wonderful day for the graduates with hostility and high emotions on a subject that has nothing to do with the convocation itself.
However, I am more than disgusted with Goodden’s comments, referring to abortion as “nothing more than sloppy, retroactive contraception.” It is impossible to pigeonhole all abortions as a means for contraception, as that is rarely the case. There are grey areas, Mr. Goodden.
Is it “retroactive contraception” if a woman has become pregnant by rape? How about if she becomes preganant by incest? What if all proper precautions are taken? With that comment, it appears as though Goodden believes that it all comes down to blaming the woman for getting herself into the mess in the first place, which is clearly not the case.
And to tell us that 12-year olds of Sacred Heart school, wearing black wristbands to their track meet at Western, are “better equipped than most adults to discern fundamental issues of right and wrong” is ridiculous. If this were true, 12-yr.-olds would legally be allowed to vote, drink, buy cigarettes, and would be tried in court as adults, as they supposedly would know the difference between right and wrong. …
Goodden has much to learn about right to abortion
This is in regard to Herman Goodden’s column, Sarcred Heart Pupils’ Protest show the way(June 10).
Although I am an extremely strong believer in pro-choice, I disagree that this year’s UWO convocation is the place or time to give Dr. Henry Morg. an honorary degree. It’s not necessary for us to mix a proud, wonderful day for the graduates with hostility and high emotions on a subject that has nothing to do with the convocation itself.
However, I am more than disgusted with Goodden’s comments, referring to abortion as “nothing more than sloppy, retroactive contraception.” It is impossible to pigeonhole all abortions as a means for contraception, as that is rarely the case. There are grey areas, Mr. Goodden.
Is it “retroactive contraception” if a woman has become pregnant by rape? How about if she becomes preganant by incest? What if all proper precautions are taken? With that comment, it appears as though Goodden believes that it all comes down to blaming the woman for getting herself into the mess in the first place, which is clearly not the case.
And to tell us that 12-year olds of Sacred Heart school, wearing black wristbands to their track meet at Western, are “better equipped than most adults to discern fundamental issues of right and wrong” is ridiculous. If this were true, 12-yr.-olds would legally be allowed to vote, drink, buy cigarettes, and would be tried in court as adults, as they supposedly would know the difference between right and wrong. …
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Rosalinda
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Carrie McGregor wasn’t finished with him yet…
"How ridiculous. Do you ever wonder if the parents and principal were perhaps responsible for ingraining it into their brains until they believed it?
How much do you actually understand about abortion, Mr. Goodden? Do you understand the agony that a woman must go through in making the decision? Do you understand the fear she feels knowing that she can’t look after a child financially, and knowing that she may lose everything she has? Until you understand any of that, your comments are nothing more then uneducated nattering.
Try to get some background information on abortion. Mr. Goodden. Possibly speake with a therapist who works with women post-abortion. Learn a little bit about the human side of it. Learn about the feelings associated with having one. Maybe you will begin to understand that there is something outside of your insular world, and your insular opinions"…
"How ridiculous. Do you ever wonder if the parents and principal were perhaps responsible for ingraining it into their brains until they believed it?
How much do you actually understand about abortion, Mr. Goodden? Do you understand the agony that a woman must go through in making the decision? Do you understand the fear she feels knowing that she can’t look after a child financially, and knowing that she may lose everything she has? Until you understand any of that, your comments are nothing more then uneducated nattering.
Try to get some background information on abortion. Mr. Goodden. Possibly speake with a therapist who works with women post-abortion. Learn a little bit about the human side of it. Learn about the feelings associated with having one. Maybe you will begin to understand that there is something outside of your insular world, and your insular opinions"…
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Rosalinda
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Carrie McGregor finished with this…
"Certain situations leave women with no choice but abortion, and I am so thankful that we have a safe option. To make abortions illegal would be to indirectly kill many women, as back-alley abotions would become the norm once again.
Is it better to have women dying for that reason, as opposed to them saving their own lives?
The rallies at UWO will inevitably boast more anti-abortion activists than pro-choice activists for one simple reason – we all know that abortion will always be legal in this country, and the fear that the anti-abortion activists have is why they attend such rallies."
"Certain situations leave women with no choice but abortion, and I am so thankful that we have a safe option. To make abortions illegal would be to indirectly kill many women, as back-alley abotions would become the norm once again.
Is it better to have women dying for that reason, as opposed to them saving their own lives?
The rallies at UWO will inevitably boast more anti-abortion activists than pro-choice activists for one simple reason – we all know that abortion will always be legal in this country, and the fear that the anti-abortion activists have is why they attend such rallies."
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Ani_Ibi
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Wow. Quite a lot of projective identification coming out of the woodwork. There was a very touching letter from teenager Jake Cooke published on the uwoprotest.com website today.
uwoprotest.com/news.php
Perhaps in the end it is the children who will turn this puppy around. We can never know how many conversations have taken place at schools, on the way home, at home.
Today I thank God for my life with all its perfections. Today I went a level deeper into understanding the Church Militant and the Church Triumphant. Obviously the Lord has chosen London for some great blessing and some great mission. I will pray for London.
uwoprotest.com/news.php
Perhaps in the end it is the children who will turn this puppy around. We can never know how many conversations have taken place at schools, on the way home, at home.
Today I thank God for my life with all its perfections. Today I went a level deeper into understanding the Church Militant and the Church Triumphant. Obviously the Lord has chosen London for some great blessing and some great mission. I will pray for London.
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m134e5
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Generally speaking children between the ages of 9 and 13 are old enough to know about abortion, and children often make public statements better than adults do.
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Rosalinda
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Letter to the London Free Press by UWO student Leah Brereton today.
Children too young for abortion stance
"Regarding the letter, Wristband protest looks to be staged (June 14):
Thank you to Art Boudreau for asking questions that needed to be asked. I was appalled when I opened the paper and saw a picture of children (yes, children) wearing black wristbands to protest the honouring of Dr. Henry Morgentaler.
I am a student at the University of Western Ontario, and I am not writing to preach for or against my university’s decision on such a controversial issue. I myself am still forming an opinion on the topic, as there is an overwhelming amount of information to consider on both sides. My point is these children at their age cannot even grasp the concept of what is being debated here. The parents of these children should be ashamed for pushing their views so strongly on their children, not understanding that a respectful and responsible parent-child relationship allows room for development of their child’s own opinions and morals.
I would not be embarrassed if my child grew up with different views from my own, as long as these views were formulated critically and independently. All I need to say now is thanks to my parents for guiding me, but never using me as a tool with which to express their beliefs."
Children too young for abortion stance
"Regarding the letter, Wristband protest looks to be staged (June 14):
Thank you to Art Boudreau for asking questions that needed to be asked. I was appalled when I opened the paper and saw a picture of children (yes, children) wearing black wristbands to protest the honouring of Dr. Henry Morgentaler.
I am a student at the University of Western Ontario, and I am not writing to preach for or against my university’s decision on such a controversial issue. I myself am still forming an opinion on the topic, as there is an overwhelming amount of information to consider on both sides. My point is these children at their age cannot even grasp the concept of what is being debated here. The parents of these children should be ashamed for pushing their views so strongly on their children, not understanding that a respectful and responsible parent-child relationship allows room for development of their child’s own opinions and morals.
I would not be embarrassed if my child grew up with different views from my own, as long as these views were formulated critically and independently. All I need to say now is thanks to my parents for guiding me, but never using me as a tool with which to express their beliefs."
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Rosalinda
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The children really stirred up a hornet’s nest of protest against their protest. Here is the latest letter from Jo-Anne Bakker of London in the LFP today.
Children’s crusade
"I appreciated Nadia Lytwenko’s letter, ‘Pupils’ wristband protest inappropriate’ (June 7), in response to the article, Pupils send message (June 1).
It reminded me of a story I read by Corrie TenBoom --and Auschwitz survivor – from her early childhood.
While waiting at the train station with her father, Corrie asked him a question about sex. Her father did not respond to the question, but instead put down his large, heavy suitcase an asked her to carry it for him. “But Papa,” she said, “your suitcase is too heavy for me!” And her father’s golden response was, “Yes, Corrie. And that is the way it is with knowledge. You must trust me to carry it for you until you are old enough.”
Children’s crusade
"I appreciated Nadia Lytwenko’s letter, ‘Pupils’ wristband protest inappropriate’ (June 7), in response to the article, Pupils send message (June 1).
It reminded me of a story I read by Corrie TenBoom --and Auschwitz survivor – from her early childhood.
While waiting at the train station with her father, Corrie asked him a question about sex. Her father did not respond to the question, but instead put down his large, heavy suitcase an asked her to carry it for him. “But Papa,” she said, “your suitcase is too heavy for me!” And her father’s golden response was, “Yes, Corrie. And that is the way it is with knowledge. You must trust me to carry it for you until you are old enough.”
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Rosalinda
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CHILDREN’S CRUSADE letter to the LFP by Jo-Ann Bakker of London.
"I appreciated Nadia Lytwenko’s letter, “Pupils’ wristband protest inappropriate”(June 7), in respone t the the article, “Pupils send message” (June 1).
It reminded me of a story I read by Corrie TenBoom --an Auschwitz survivor–from her early childhood.
While waiting at the train station with her father, Corrie asked him a question about sex. Her father did not respond to the question, but instead put down his large, heavy suitcase and asked her to carry it for him. “But Papa,” she said, “your suitcase is too heavy for me!” And her father’s golden response was, “Yes, Corrie. And that is the way it is with knowledge. You must trust me to carry it for you until you are old enough.”
"I appreciated Nadia Lytwenko’s letter, “Pupils’ wristband protest inappropriate”(June 7), in respone t the the article, “Pupils send message” (June 1).
It reminded me of a story I read by Corrie TenBoom --an Auschwitz survivor–from her early childhood.
While waiting at the train station with her father, Corrie asked him a question about sex. Her father did not respond to the question, but instead put down his large, heavy suitcase and asked her to carry it for him. “But Papa,” she said, “your suitcase is too heavy for me!” And her father’s golden response was, “Yes, Corrie. And that is the way it is with knowledge. You must trust me to carry it for you until you are old enough.”
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**You are never too young or too old to oppose evil.
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Also, most, if not all of the younger generation is opposed to it, when my generation was young, we didn’t even know what it was, I know I never heard of it when I was in grade school. I believe the first time I ever even heard of the word I was in High School. It took me years to understand the full impact of what it was. Yes, education is a great thing, tell them, and they will want to go and wear them and oppose it!!
**Also, most, if not all of the younger generation is opposed to it, when my generation was young, we didn’t even know what it was, I know I never heard of it when I was in grade school. I believe the first time I ever even heard of the word I was in High School. It took me years to understand the full impact of what it was. Yes, education is a great thing, tell them, and they will want to go and wear them and oppose it!!
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