Should the Catholic Church state that woman should not attend college?

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As far as I can tell, there seems to be two options available to young Cataholic women. Become a Nun or a Mother. In both cases the possibility of a seriouse career in any area seems impossible since career could not be considered a seriouse enough reason to delay, space out or finish having children.

GIven this, isn’t sending your daughters to college just a giant waste of time? What is the point of 4 years of work and thousands of dollars of fees if the primary purpouse of a womans life must be as a stay at home mother?
 
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cynic:
As far as I can tell, there seems to be two options available to young Cataholic women. Become a Nun or a Mother. In both cases the possibility of a seriouse career in any area seems impossible since career could not be considered a seriouse enough reason to delay, space out or finish having children.

GIven this, isn’t sending your daughters to college just a giant waste of time? What is the point of 4 years of work and thousands of dollars of fees if the primary purpouse of a womans life must be as a stay at home mother?
The opposite of this thinking is that a man has two options become a father or a priest/religious. However both have a third option which I will agree is not always considered by many young people. That of being a single person in a service or professional career and living according to the Gospel.
 
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cynic:
As far as I can tell, there seems to be two options available to young Cataholic women. Become a Nun or a Mother. In both cases the possibility of a seriouse career in any area seems impossible since career could not be considered a seriouse enough reason to delay, space out or finish having children.

GIven this, isn’t sending your daughters to college just a giant waste of time? What is the point of 4 years of work and thousands of dollars of fees if the primary purpouse of a womans life must be as a stay at home mother?
I can only offer my personal feelings on the subject. God calls every christian to a vocation. There are actually three types of vocations a Catholic woman could be called to. Motherhood, religious life or the single life. Without going into a long desertation, I would say that each of these vocations could benefit from a college education. Each for different reasons. College is a large expense and should serve a purpose. No one should embark on a college education, career or vocation without a lot of prayer and research. Some of us baby boomers still don’t know what we want to be when we “grow up”. That’s where prayer *and fasting * may come in. … 👍
 
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cynic:
As far as I can tell, there seems to be two options available to young Cataholic women. Become a Nun or a Mother. In both cases the possibility of a seriouse career in any area seems impossible since career could not be considered a seriouse enough reason to delay, space out or finish having children.

GIven this, isn’t sending your daughters to college just a giant waste of time? What is the point of 4 years of work and thousands of dollars of fees if the primary purpouse of a womans life must be as a stay at home mother?
and what happens when the gal marries has kids and her husband dies. she has no education but a highschool one so what is she supposed to do to support her kids and herself?
IF she had an education (college) she could more than likely get a job that paid more than minimum wage and offered benefits:)
 
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cynic:
As far as I can tell, there seems to be two options available to young Cataholic women. Become a Nun or a Mother. In both cases the possibility of a seriouse career in any area seems impossible since career could not be considered a seriouse enough reason to delay, space out or finish having children.

GIven this, isn’t sending your daughters to college just a giant waste of time? What is the point of 4 years of work and thousands of dollars of fees if the primary purpouse of a womans life must be as a stay at home mother?
What are you talking about? They are not the only options, they are options for very,very religious girls who wish to devote their entire life to God. The Catholic Church realises that if every single woman did that, there would be no Catholics around for very long now would there? I belive that you have a good point, that a woman’s place is in the home, but tell that to the feminists out there. They want equal opportunities for everyone, and so does the Catolic Church to an extent.

And just so you know, in my country college fees are free. 🙂 So there you go.
 
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cynic:
As far as I can tell, there seems to be two options available to young Cataholic women. Become a Nun or a Mother. In both cases the possibility of a seriouse career in any area seems impossible since career could not be considered a seriouse enough reason to delay, space out or finish having children.

GIven this, isn’t sending your daughters to college just a giant waste of time? What is the point of 4 years of work and thousands of dollars of fees if the primary purpouse of a womans life must be as a stay at home mother?
You’re leaving out Consecrated virgins and just plain being called to the single life. In my opinion, unless they feel God is calling them to do something else (as he did me) then I think that college is never a waste of time. I homeschool my kids and, while I’m managing fine, I think I could have always used a little more education to give my kids a little broader one! You seem to be under the impression that a woman can not use her college degree in motherhood or in the religious life. Many nuns are teachers. They probably want many of them to have a degree! Many moms are also teachers. In fact, I’d say they all are. Just about any degree you get can be worked into motherhood.
 
In all sincerity, I think you are taking a far too simplistic view of this matter.

To help get this discussion going, I offer the following three paragraphs from the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

**2229 **As those first responsible for the education of their children, parents have the right to choose a school for them which corresponds to their own convictions. This right is fundamental. As far as possible parents have the duty of choosing schools that will best help them in their task as Christian educators.38 Public authorities have the duty of guaranteeing this parental right and of ensuring the concrete conditions for its exercise.

**2230 **When they become adults, children have the right and duty to choose their profession and state of life. They should assume their new responsibilities within a trusting relationship with their parents, willingly asking and receiving their advice and counsel. Parents should be careful not to exert pressure on their children either in the choice of a profession or in that of a spouse. This necessary restraint does not prevent them - quite the contrary from giving their children judicious advice, particularly when they are planning to start a family.

**2231 **Some forgo marriage in order to care for their parents or brothers and sisters, to give themselves more completely to a profession, or to serve other honorable ends. They can contribute greatly to the good of the human family.

Lastly, I see no reason why a stay-at-home mother needs to be an uneducated stay-at-home mother! We should always continue to learn…
 
I don’t believe that being a mother or a nun exclude that person from attending college. :confused:

Keep the Faith
 
Well my friend, my wife graduated college, now our six children including one girl have graduated college, along the way my wife served on the Parish Council for three years, served on our local school board for seven yeras, during which time she was able to influence the form of sex ed that all the children were going to get regardless. She was able to teach at least seven or eight children who were having a great deal of trouble reading how to read well. Once the children were all in school, she spent one year working as a chemist and then 10 more years as an auditor for the Internal Revenue Service. In addition she has taught Sunday School(Catholic Version) for four or five years and coached at least two little league soccor teams. For over 45 years now she has been an interesting and stimulating wife who has been at my side during sickness( 3 surgeries and a major heart attack) and in health. She has regulated our finances and saw that the bills got paid on time since before we were married. Over the years she has become proficient at finishing dry wall, laying ceramic tile, painting both inside and out, as well as being able to do a professional level of furniture finishing and refinishing( I build cabinets and bookcases as a hobby and I me and the kids, the oldest at the time being 14, built a three stall garage and finished the older attached garage into a family room, bedroom, bath, and walk in closet. That was after completely finishing off our basement.) When we have gone fishing she caught the second largest bass of anyone in the family and won a canoe because of that feat, (My son caught the biggest which weighed 6.5 pounds which is a good bass for up North.) Now we did use Natural Family Planning to space our kids about two years apart, but the Catholic Church has no objections to that for spacing and limiting reproduction to fit a families ability to cope both psychologically and financially.

I informally adopted a young woman some years back who is now an ob/gyn doctor in family practice out west. Her Father who is a Feenyite radical traditional Catholic disowned her and her sisters because they put themselves through college. After finishing her medical education she married two years ago and is expecting her first child next month.

I don’t know where you got the notion that Catholics are irresponsible when it comes to limiting and spacing their children by appropriate means for appropriate reasons, but it would be a good idea for you to become better informed about the Catholic Faith and its teachings. Your question makes it sound like you really don’t know any good Catholic Christians particularly educated Catholic women.

I have a very close friend, he is like a brother to me, who is Lutheran. He had six kids too, but I suppose that was because he was a horny old billy goat as his church really did not demand that large family. When his first wife died, he married a woman who had five of her own and they bought a big old house to raise them all of the eleven in. 👍
 
Women are called to whatever the Lord calls them to be, other than ministerial priesthood of course, which the Lord does not.

Women can be stay at home mothers, be college professors, lawyers, doctors, actresses, singers, whatever! As long as the children’s needs are met, but of course that’s also the responsibility of the father. The Church says motherhood is the loftiest vocation a woman can have, and she is right, but it does not mean it’s the ONLY vocation a woman could have.
 
What if a girl doesn’t find a husband, doesn’t she need to work somehow to support herself, or should be stuck on the street with minimum wage. What happens when the kids are grown up? And what happens if a spouse dies. There are a variety of reasons for a girl to get an education, and you know what an education in and of itself is a good thing…

I wonder if this person has any idea of what its like to be a single parent with no education. (I don’t know what its like, but I was raised by one and its hard.) We don’t know what can happen in life, that’s why its a good idea to be prepared. Even IF the woma decides to stay at home, when the kids come.
 
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cynic:
As far as I can tell, there seems to be two options available to young Cataholic women. Become a Nun or a Mother. In both cases the possibility of a seriouse career in any area seems impossible since career could not be considered a seriouse enough reason to delay, space out or finish having children.

GIven this, isn’t sending your daughters to college just a giant waste of time? What is the point of 4 years of work and thousands of dollars of fees if the primary purpouse of a womans life must be as a stay at home mother?
How can you call this a waste of time, money and education? Becoming a Nun she would most definately benefit from a College Education. No serious Career for a Nun? Excuse me, Many Nuns are teachers, nurse’s, counselors, social worker and many more. And a Mother doesn’t need it either? Being a stay at home mother does not make you a mindless, dust ball chasing, diaper changing nit-wit, Raising our children is a Vocation we are called to. Today’s mothers are smart, intelligent women. Many homeschool their children. Many work from home. Still others hold the volunteer positions in either their town or Churches. They help out in their childrens school. And as many said before, no one knows our future. If you are suddenly widowed, isn’t it better to get be able to have a career to support your children, then to work in a retail store for minimum wage, have to put your kids into the medicaid system for health care?
 
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cynic:
As far as I can tell, there seems to be two options available to young Cataholic women. Become a Nun or a Mother. In both cases the possibility of a seriouse career in any area seems impossible since career could not be considered a seriouse enough reason to delay, space out or finish having children.

GIven this, isn’t sending your daughters to college just a giant waste of time? What is the point of 4 years of work and thousands of dollars of fees if the primary purpouse of a womans life must be as a stay at home mother?
:rotfl:

– Mark L. Chance.
 
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bekalc:
What if a girl doesn’t find a husband, doesn’t she need to work somehow to support herself, or should be stuck on the street with minimum wage. What happens when the kids are grown up? And what happens if a spouse dies. There are a variety of reasons for a girl to get an education, and you know what an education in and of itself is a good thing…

I wonder if this person has any idea of what its like to be a single parent with no education. (I don’t know what its like, but I was raised by one and its hard.) We don’t know what can happen in life, that’s why its a good idea to be prepared. Even IF the woma decides to stay at home, when the kids come.
OK, I’m all for women going to college. I went for awhile. That said, just because one doesn’t have a college education doesn’t mean that she’ll be making minimum wage if the husband dies. I haven’t made minimum wage since highschool. I also had my own business when we were in the early years of our marriage and didn’t do to badly at it either but finally retired because the kids were multiplying and I couldn’t keep up and wanted to devote my attention to them. If my daughters want to go to college, I wholeheartedly encourage that. If not, oh well. I have one that wants to go straight to culinary academy! I know quite a few people who have achieved more than enough who didn’t go to college. If they want to do something that needs a college degree, they’d better get it. I think that making them goal oriented is more important than making them want to go to college.
 
I’m a single Catholic woman, I have an education, and I have worked in many male-dominated fields.

In the past, women were sent to college to meet a husband, or at least that was the idea of men at the time. Women were not considred people in their own right. Their dignity was not recognized.

True feminism first of all acknowledges that women are there not just to be barefoot and pregnant, but to actually LIVE in the world just like every man out there.

The Catholic Church does much to educate women, including nuns. Case in point, the Sisters of St. Cecelia (the Nashville Dominicans) are studying at St. Thomas University to obtain Master’s degrees.

Many women obtain their degrees and then enter the Convent, many women never enter the convent and live fulfilling single lives, and many women dedicate themslves and their education to their children as well as to the workforce.

Why is this being debated? The Church does not denigrate women…society does, and Radical Feminists do.

The Church lifts up women and encourages us to be as faithful and empowered as the mother of Christ.

Just because God doesn’t ask us to bear the Messiah and follow him to the cross doesn’t mean he doesn’t call us to work in different ways and in many different lifestyles.

Get over it already.
 
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bear06:
You’re leaving out Consecrated virgins and just plain being called to the single life. .
Is that a valid choice though, to remain single so that you can pursue a career? I didn’t think such a choice would be looked on very kindly, especially for a woman.
 
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cynic:
Is that a valid choice though, to remain single so that you can pursue a career? I didn’t think such a choice would be looked on very kindly, especially for a woman.
Sure it’s a valid choice. If your choice is in service to others in any way – it’s an excellent choice, and God will be with you.

One thing we forget is that God will be active in our lives not just today as we’re making the decision, but in the future. So He will be there through all of our successes and failures, left and right turns, and every fork in the road.

Romans 8:28 says that ‘We know that in everything God works for good with those who love him, who are called according to his purpose.’
 
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cynic:
Is that a valid choice though, to remain single so that you can pursue a career? I didn’t think such a choice would be looked on very kindly, especially for a woman.
Why the specific purpose of pursuing a career? What exactly do you mean by that? Pursuing a career to gain wealth and status like Hillary Clinton appears to be doing? Or pursuing a career to contribute to the betterment of the world, such as Marie Curie? Are you looking for an excuse to accuse the Church of sexism in secular matters?

The Church very clearly teaches all of us, men and women, to set aside material pursuits and seek first the Kingdom of God. When any of us put career status ahead of that we are falling short of God’s standard and the Great Commandment to love God with all our heart, soul, mind and strength.

What the Church teaches places equal burdens on men and women to serve God first. Men who place career ahead of family, or stay single for the sole purpose of gaining worldly status go against the teachings of Christ just the same as women do.

Both single life and married life are understood as callings within the Church, for both men and women. Neither sex is called to single life for worldly purposes.
 
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cynic:
Is that a valid choice though, to remain single so that you can pursue a career? I didn’t think such a choice would be looked on very kindly, especially for a woman.
It is better to focus on the career and remain single for that career than to get married and then contracept because children would “get in the way”.

I am still single because I have not decided if I want children. And if I don’t want children, I should not get married because the marriage vow means that I must be open to life.

I may ultimately be called to marriage, and at that time, what the Church demands is that I be open to life, and to focus my life not on what I want but on what God wants for me.

That is no different than the single life. If we are not asking EVERY DAY, “What does God ask of me? Am I living for God or for myself”, no mater what the vocation, we are not meeting it.
 
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