Should the ChildFree lifestyle or Birthstrike become common, what is the response of Goverment and us?

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I would go at least as far as supporting larger tax breaks for those with children, helping to offset the expense. That way, even those who do not, or cannot, have children are helping society raise the next generation.
 
My point was that you linked this to the idea of the law encouraging people to obey a commandment of God. That would not work in a secular country.

On tax, you are basically advocating taxing single people three times as much as people with couples with children (or giving couples with children a two-thirds tax cut). Nobody’s going to accept that. You’d have to have what most countries have, which is tax based on income and then pay some benefits to people with children.

Yes, I see the thinking behind a government dating app, but I don’t think it would work in practice. Some things are a natural monopoly, e.g. railways. But dating is something that responds better to the market with multiple providers in competition. This is why there are dating apps and websites that cater for people who have very different priorities and preferences. If you want to date someone on a gluten-free diet, there’s a site for that, if you want to date a police officer, there’s a site for that, if you want to date fat people, there’s a site for that, if you’re a foot fetishist, there’s a site for that, if you want a wife from Russia, there’s a site for that. It’s also not true that they want to keep people single. Serious dating websites work on the basis that people meet their long-term partner and get off the website. Those success stories encourage new customers to sign up on that website. Some dating websites actually give you a refund if you are still single after a certain period of time.

Your urban planning scheme is indirect discrimination, not direct discrimination, but it still sounds like you’d have a hard time persuading anyone it was a good idea. You’re not actually going to put single people in a ghetto, but the demographics of the urban landscape are going to be skewed in dangerous ways. You’ll have an area where there’s the hospital, the school, the library, the swimming pool, the park, the cinema, banks, the post office, shops, places of worships, etc. and presumably also offices where people will work, and this area will be surrounded by three- and four-bedroom detached and semi-detached houses with front and back gardens and off-road parking, and then a mile or two further out you’ll have high-rise blocks of apartments built to house single people. Can you imagine the problems this will cause in terms of roads, traffic, public transport, and who actually uses local businesses and public services? All those single doctors and nurse and teachers will have to live miles away from the hospital and the school, bars and high-end restaurants will go out of business, cinemas will show only family-friendly movies, single people will stop engaging with the community (e.g. going to church, visiting the public library), families and communities will be broken up as grown-up children leave home for the singles housing on the outskirts and newlywed couples are brought in from the outskirts to the family houses in the city centre. It sounds like a town-planner’s nightmare. Communities and businesses thrive on having a few of every kind of household in every neighbourhood.
 
It already is! Ever been to Seattle? It seems that almost all of the strollers have dogs in them.
 
Why would anyone want to encourage someone who doesn’t want children to have them anyway? If that isn’t a recipe for disaster, I don’t know what is.
 
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What would the response of the religious right be, should birth-strike should become mainstream movement that 1/3 people are in.

God said be fruitful and prosperous, and I assume the legal system would be used to aid that goal.

Sorry, I should add additional movements in that mix, excluding the tiny birth-strike movement that has almost no impact. Not wanting children is increasing, even without that movement.
We just live faithfully. Quite frankly if they don’t want to reproduce I am all for it. It just makes it easier for me to rear my kids in the faith knowing that it will be primarily the ones who trust God who foster the next generation.
 
But wouldn’t Catholics be proportionately under-represented in such groups? Meaning that the birthrate among Catholics should exceed the birthrate of the population in general. So over time Catholics should come to rule the world.
Catholics ruling the world? Horrors! :smiling_face_with_three_hearts:

Seriously, though… we have to wish, in all Christian charity, that all people — not just Catholics — would fulfill the divine mandate to “be fruitful and multiply”, which predates both Christianity and Judaism itself.

But we know they’re not going to do that. Granted, in a world where everyone gets on the same page that the humanists would like to see them get on, and has children only at below-replacement level, the population would shrink pari passu among all countries, races, nationalities, and demographics.

That’s not going to happen. We are seeing this happen before our eyes — those people, and those social groups, where larger families are prized and valued, without fretting that “we can’t support that many”, without preferring one or two perfect, privileged kids over several “just okay” ones, are the ones who will eventually predominate, have a greater claim upon resources, and “run the show”. And if traditional, orthodox, faithful Catholics are among these, blessed be God.
 
You can force people to get children, through side pressures that are unethical yet not so morally deranged that the United Nations does not get involved.
  • Make children or taxes go up on you.
  • Propaganda
  • Government dating app designed for marriage
  • Zoning laws to force single people away from the resources.
  • etc
None of these acts are so barbaric that other countries would get super involved, plus if all EU countries and North America rolled out these acts one by one, no one country would be innocent enough to feel comfortable pointing the finger. Gradual change year by year, few would notice. My question is how far would CAF users go to get others to “want” children. Also, industry wants a high birth rate for an overabundance of labor that makes the market cut wages, so it would unite the capitalist right and the Christian right.

Not endorsing, rather what is a society capable off, and how far would people be willing to go to make it a reality?
Uh no. The first Roman Emperor, Augustus, tried to increase population in various ways, some of which you mention. None of which worked. I can’t see it working any better now.
 
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Not sure what kind of “response” you expect, as long as immoral things are not used (contraception, sterilization), it is up to each married couple to decide how many (if any) children they will conceive.
 
The main problem I see with this is that these people will eventually grow old and have nobody to care about them. I can see it already now with some of my single/childfree friends when they have health issues. An other issue is that the demographic will change due to more prolific populations moving in the area with a low birth rate (see for example the case of France or Germany and the increase of second and third generations citizens from North Africa and Turkey).
 
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Also, industry wants a high birth rate for an overabundance of labor that makes the market cut wages,
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Except that with the advance of robotics, soon we won’t need the additional labor.
 
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I don’t think a steep decline in birthrates necessarily leads to extinction. There were once very few humans, now there are billions!

Even if our birthrates decrease, if at some point in the future they increase, we would not become extinct.
 
Which makes the moral and physical support for the great migration even more odd…and problematic. What do you do with millions of unemployed immigrants who didn’t move to these countries for a love of their values and way of life?
 
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If you elect people for short terms, and you structure things so companies have to think short-term, then you end up with short-term solutions.

OTOH, the Ds are said to be thinking long-term, because they support immigrants as a voter base.

So… if they support immigrants who are later displaced by robots, well, the Ds will have won because they will have even more poor unemployed people who will vote for what they are offering.

Or, it could backfire.
 
Yes, they’ve been thinking of it for 55 years. Well planned, but I doubt they have a plan that can take care of their new voters and keep them from rioting when the jobs are gone. Or maybe robots don’t get made because there is an abundance of cheap labor fighting each other for work and robotics cost more. Plus the problem with robots is they don’t buy anything.

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The expected response before I asked the question, industry and Christianity lobby together to nudge the population into having kids.

Expected response after I asked the question, Christianity would inherit the Earth as birthrates from non-theists drop.
EDIT: I am aware that non-Christian religions value kids.
 
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Or Islam, or Judiasm, there are other religions who celebrate children. Protestant Christianity also approves of contraception and sterilization, so, I would not expect all of Christianity to join lockstep over childbirth.
 
Some people never meet the right person so they never marry and thus never have the opportunity to be a parent. Is this the same thing?
 
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An other issue is that the demographic will change due to more prolific populations moving in the area with a low birth rate (see for example the case of France or Germany and the increase of second and third generations citizens from North Africa and Turkey).
I may have to find a place to live in Paris, for possibly as long as a month, in the summer of 2022. Just for the heck of it, I was searching AirBnb last night for something in my price range. (That’s the operative term here — “in my price range”! I live on a perpetual frugal man’s budget.) Each and every accommodation I found was hosted by a person of color. That wouldn’t even begin to be a problem, I am just stating the fact. When I was in Paris a few years back (10ème arrondissement, near the Charlie Hebdo offices and where Jim Morrison is buried) I actually interacted with very few white, European Frenchmen and -women. That’s just how it is there. Utterly cool. Utterly Parisian. Fluctuat nec mergitur.

(And yes, I know, Charlie Hebdo has published many cartoons so blasphemous that they cannot even be described here. Some are impossible to unsee. Still doesn’t justify what the terrorists did to them.)
 
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